Send your kids to trade school

[Thin Lizzy]

Nonsense. Becoming a successful journeyman trades person has nothing to do with one's politics or views. It has everything to do with their innate skills and ambition.

Isn’t that what I said? Did the snow exacerbate your senility?

[Primemuscle]

Isn’t that what I said? Did the snow exacerbate your senility?

Okay, you had me for a second. Actually, only part of it is what you said. You also suggested liberals are ill-suited to work as trades people, which is nonsense.

[Primemuscle]

A lot of those jobs also depend if you get a BA, MA, or Doctoral degree.

Someone with a BA in Social Work will make like 50K. Someone with a PhD in Social Work, can probably hit 6 figures, depending on what they do.

My friend is a graphic designer (has a BA in Film Studies), worked his way up, now he makes between 130 to 150k.

You are absolutely right, positions requiring a MA or Doctoral degree are generally higher paying. Moreover, wages vary from one field to another.

[Coach is Back!]

In practical terms, I agree with you 100%.

The problem really comes down to an old adage.
Everyone wants to be a chief and nobody wants to be an indian.

For example, my dear old buddy Bix ( posts here sometimes) is a master electrician.
Had his own business and made a decent living...when he worked hard.
As he got older, he dreaded crawling under houses and climbing on  roofs.

Jobs , even skilled ones that include manual labor are tough, tedious work.
Like old Rocky told the guy in the employment office who advised him to keep prize fighting ;

"You ever get punched in the face 100x ? It starts to sting after awhile.
I'd like to make aliving sitting down now, ya know, like you over there."

Telling someone to do a tough labor intensive job is like telling 'em to go fight in a war.
It sounds good...as long as the OTHER guy is doing it.

Here’s the thing, Howard. Most who start out in the construction trades know and realize they can’t keep up the labor work throughout their careers but there are advancements such as site management, superintendents, etc then there are those that wind up getting their contractors license to start their own businesses. I spent almost 20 years total in the commercial roofing industry including obtaining my C-39. The opportunities are endless

[Thin Lizzy]

The Top Highest Paying Liberal Arts Degree Jobs - based on 2015 figures.

1. Economist
Of the liberal arts disciplines, the field with the most potential for compensation close to the better paid professions like finance, law, medicine, or technology, Economics is the highest performer. Graduates with an undergraduate degree in the subject will find hiring on the traditional job market easier. Economics majors have opportunity for advancement in corporate, government, or nonprofit accounting, finance, sales and analyst functions. Graduate degree holders in economics, generally find the same opportunities for hire as a Master of Business Administration. Economists with a PhD are also highly valued in the policy and research fields, and as consultants to the insurance and legal fields where econometric modeling is required to evaluate liability. Annual salary: $40,000 to $200,000.

2. Archeologist
Qualifications as an Archaeologist represent a unique set of skills, making demand high for professionals with geological and traditional archeological training. Scientific testing of archeological sites is critical to the commission of energy projects, as well as land developer compliance audit with environmental and soil regulations in instances of burial ground or other substantial archeological site. Forensic archeologists conduct the recovery, testing and cataloging of artifacts and human remains for storage or transport. Traditional archeologists may also work on behalf of a museum or university in the reconstruction of a history of a people or environmental event. Professional archaeologists require a graduate degree to advance as professionals. Annual salary: $40,000 to $171,000.

3. Sociologist
The study of social groups, their cultures, institutions, and organizations is the provenance of the Sociologist. The field is acknowledged as a Renaissance discipline, so that when sociologists conduct research ethnographies, they may examine the origins, behaviors and interactions of a social group for in-depth analysis of economic, political or religious insights. Sociological research often contributes to social policy formation. The dual focus on qualitative and quantitative or statistical analysis in the discipline, makes this sociology good preparation for a role as a faculty, or in service to government or nonprofit agencies, as well as market research. Annual salary: $55,000 to $97,000.

4. Psychologist
Liberal arts training in psychology is offered a most university institutions at the PhD level. Psychologists may also be employed as faculty or professional researchers engaged in studying behavioral patterns, through testing, procedures and analysis of scientific outcomes toward development of evidence based practice models of treatment. Professionals desiring to work as licensed counselors, clinical, or research psychologists must complete a graduate degree in the subject. Annual salary: $67,000 to $90,000.

5. Public Relations Specialist
Responsible for the brand identity or celebrity of a clients, Public Relations Specialists work on behalf of a corporation or public figure in coordination with reporters to increase visibility and performance of a communications strategy. Critical to the sustained confidence of investor support Public Relations Specialists, promote a client’s image by way of multi-scale marketing strategies and professional public relations campaigns. Public Relations Specialist require Bachelor of Arts degree in advertising, communications, journalism, or public relations. Those desiring managerial positions should pursue a graduate degree. Annual salary: $ 40,000 to $73,000.

6. Human Resources Specialists
Organizational performance begins with human assets. The innovation of human resource management (HRM) systems approaches to the recruitment, training, motivation, and retention of company’s top talent requires sophisticated training in the field of Human Resources. A degree in human resources also prepares a candidate for leadership in an organization. Working in coordination with executive management, Human Resource Directors are responsible for the development of strategic compensation and benefit plans, procedures, policies, and training. Human resources specialists require a Bachelor of Arts or Master of Arts degree in human resources, or related field such as business administration, labor relations, personnel administration, or behavioral sciences. Annual salary: $42,000 to $72,000.

7. Graphic Designer or Artist
The commercial demand for Graphic Design has expanded the opportunity for students graduating from Graphic Arts degree programs. Engaged in the design, analysis, and production of visual images for advertising, marketing, products and services collateral, Graphic Designers and Artists use software applications or hand drawn sketches for a range of promotional materials and other aesthetic purposes. Animation, illustration, photographs, prints, and text incorporation of images created by Graphic Designers and Artists add value to any publication. Professionals entering the job market from an undergraduate degree program will find a variety of opportunities available, including digital game design. Graduates with a degree will have more opportunity as executives in related fields such as museum curatorial. Annual salary: $33,000 to $65,000.

8. Writer
Preparation of manuscripts, articles, books, and stories, for journals, magazines, newspapers, radio, television, and we content by professional writers illustrates the breadth of expertise in information and knowledge development that English majors and other liberal arts scholars offer. Some writers work as reporters, conducting research, holding interviews, report facts, and develop concepts for application of findings. Writers may also generate content for advertisements, websites and a host of other new media channels of information. Technical writers are in hot demand, writing for scientific and technology organizations in the creation of instructional manuals. Master of Fine Arts, and those with a degree in Communications, Journalism will be the most sought after. Annual salary: $57,000 to $65,000.

9. Social Worker
The front line case managers locating resources to help individuals, families or groups of people to access assistance programs, counseling, career training, housing, or substance abuse treatment, Social Workers have an important obligation to clients. Social Workers require a Bachelor degree. Graduates with a Master degree in human services, psychology, or sociology and National Association of Social Workers certification are qualified for managerial roles in the field. Annual salary: $37,000 to $56,000.

10. Teacher
Education in the arts, language, sciences, and social sciences is required for a professional career as a teacher. Liberal arts programs offer teachers in training the knowledge they require to pass subject matter exams. Teaching requires a Bachelor degree. Graduate level teachers candidates receive higher compensation due to institutional ranking. Annual salary: $47,000 to $52,000.

A veritable sea of uselessness.

That list is pretty solid evidence that Liberal arts departments are institutions primarily devoted to perpetuating themselves.

[myt1]

The Top Highest Paying Liberal Arts Degree Jobs - based on 2015 figures.

1. Economist
Of the liberal arts disciplines, the field with the most potential for compensation close to the better paid professions like finance, law, medicine, or technology, Economics is the highest performer. Graduates with an undergraduate degree in the subject will find hiring on the traditional job market easier. Economics majors have opportunity for advancement in corporate, government, or nonprofit accounting, finance, sales and analyst functions. Graduate degree holders in economics, generally find the same opportunities for hire as a Master of Business Administration. Economists with a PhD are also highly valued in the policy and research fields, and as consultants to the insurance and legal fields where econometric modeling is required to evaluate liability. Annual salary: $40,000 to $200,000.

2. Archeologist
Qualifications as an Archaeologist represent a unique set of skills, making demand high for professionals with geological and traditional archeological training. Scientific testing of archeological sites is critical to the commission of energy projects, as well as land developer compliance audit with environmental and soil regulations in instances of burial ground or other substantial archeological site. Forensic archeologists conduct the recovery, testing and cataloging of artifacts and human remains for storage or transport. Traditional archeologists may also work on behalf of a museum or university in the reconstruction of a history of a people or environmental event. Professional archaeologists require a graduate degree to advance as professionals. Annual salary: $40,000 to $171,000.

3. Sociologist
The study of social groups, their cultures, institutions, and organizations is the provenance of the Sociologist. The field is acknowledged as a Renaissance discipline, so that when sociologists conduct research ethnographies, they may examine the origins, behaviors and interactions of a social group for in-depth analysis of economic, political or religious insights. Sociological research often contributes to social policy formation. The dual focus on qualitative and quantitative or statistical analysis in the discipline, makes this sociology good preparation for a role as a faculty, or in service to government or nonprofit agencies, as well as market research. Annual salary: $55,000 to $97,000.

4. Psychologist
Liberal arts training in psychology is offered a most university institutions at the PhD level. Psychologists may also be employed as faculty or professional researchers engaged in studying behavioral patterns, through testing, procedures and analysis of scientific outcomes toward development of evidence based practice models of treatment. Professionals desiring to work as licensed counselors, clinical, or research psychologists must complete a graduate degree in the subject. Annual salary: $67,000 to $90,000.

5. Public Relations Specialist
Responsible for the brand identity or celebrity of a clients, Public Relations Specialists work on behalf of a corporation or public figure in coordination with reporters to increase visibility and performance of a communications strategy. Critical to the sustained confidence of investor support Public Relations Specialists, promote a client’s image by way of multi-scale marketing strategies and professional public relations campaigns. Public Relations Specialist require Bachelor of Arts degree in advertising, communications, journalism, or public relations. Those desiring managerial positions should pursue a graduate degree. Annual salary: $ 40,000 to $73,000.

6. Human Resources Specialists
Organizational performance begins with human assets. The innovation of human resource management (HRM) systems approaches to the recruitment, training, motivation, and retention of company’s top talent requires sophisticated training in the field of Human Resources. A degree in human resources also prepares a candidate for leadership in an organization. Working in coordination with executive management, Human Resource Directors are responsible for the development of strategic compensation and benefit plans, procedures, policies, and training. Human resources specialists require a Bachelor of Arts or Master of Arts degree in human resources, or related field such as business administration, labor relations, personnel administration, or behavioral sciences. Annual salary: $42,000 to $72,000.

7. Graphic Designer or Artist
The commercial demand for Graphic Design has expanded the opportunity for students graduating from Graphic Arts degree programs. Engaged in the design, analysis, and production of visual images for advertising, marketing, products and services collateral, Graphic Designers and Artists use software applications or hand drawn sketches for a range of promotional materials and other aesthetic purposes. Animation, illustration, photographs, prints, and text incorporation of images created by Graphic Designers and Artists add value to any publication. Professionals entering the job market from an undergraduate degree program will find a variety of opportunities available, including digital game design. Graduates with a degree will have more opportunity as executives in related fields such as museum curatorial. Annual salary: $33,000 to $65,000.

8. Writer
Preparation of manuscripts, articles, books, and stories, for journals, magazines, newspapers, radio, television, and we content by professional writers illustrates the breadth of expertise in information and knowledge development that English majors and other liberal arts scholars offer. Some writers work as reporters, conducting research, holding interviews, report facts, and develop concepts for application of findings. Writers may also generate content for advertisements, websites and a host of other new media channels of information. Technical writers are in hot demand, writing for scientific and technology organizations in the creation of instructional manuals. Master of Fine Arts, and those with a degree in Communications, Journalism will be the most sought after. Annual salary: $57,000 to $65,000.

9. Social Worker
The front line case managers locating resources to help individuals, families or groups of people to access assistance programs, counseling, career training, housing, or substance abuse treatment, Social Workers have an important obligation to clients. Social Workers require a Bachelor degree. Graduates with a Master degree in human services, psychology, or sociology and National Association of Social Workers certification are qualified for managerial roles in the field. Annual salary: $37,000 to $56,000.

10. Teacher
Education in the arts, language, sciences, and social sciences is required for a professional career as a teacher. Liberal arts programs offer teachers in training the knowledge they require to pass subject matter exams. Teaching requires a Bachelor degree. Graduate level teachers candidates receive higher compensation due to institutional ranking. Annual salary: $47,000 to $52,000.

WTF ...Pump the brakes here Prime!  This list is shit.  First of all, it proves every one saying an artsy farts degree is shit right.  

Secondly, what is the source?  It is surely left-biased, as it's taken from a site you read (not a dis, it's just what you gravitate toward), and also look at the fucking ranges on some of these things ...Archaeologist:  Annual salary: $40,000 to $171,000....yeah, that's an insanely high demand field there...here's a site devoted and biased to the number of them and BEST case scenario is that there's roughly 17,000..... IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY https://dougsarchaeology.wordpress.com/2014/06/18/how-many-archaeologists-are-in-the-us-more-than-a-couple-less-than-there-should-be/
Stating that they can make $171,000/yr...LOL!!!  Sure.  We both like dogs so I'll give you a scenario that probably equates to the odds of that....out of 17,000 pure bred black lab puppies 100 of them will have some markings on them.  That's not good likelihood, it's a fucking anomaly! Here's the reality https://work.chron.com/annual-salary-rookie-archaeologist-3522.html
 "Beginning Salaries
According to the Society for American Archaeology, a beginning field assistant with a bachelor’s degree in archaeology typically earns an average of $10 to $12 per hour. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that archaeologists in the bottom 10 percent bracket in 2011 earn $32,160 annually, while those in the bottom 25 percent earn $41,120. Those beginning their careers could expect to earn within this range. The same data shows that the median annual wage for archaeologists is $50,070, while the top 25 percent earn $74,100. Those with Ph.D.s who have not yet reached the pinnacle of their careers can expect to fall within this range.


Finally, since when in the holy heck did economics, HR, an PR stop being in schools of business?  I'll give you sociology, and even archaeology as "arts" just for giggles; but psychology is absolutely science based.....do artsy emotional wanna change the world people gravitate to it?  You bet, but they're learning and studying science based information and facts.

Yes, you can earn a bachelors of arts degree with a major in those things...but the "tracks" for those majors are either in business or science classes.  WTF?  Why didn't they just go balls deep on this list of Arts Degree Jobs and add Forensic Accountants?  Those fuckers are smart, and can do magical shit with numbers and money that no one else would have a clue about.  Let's call them "Art Majors" when they fudge corporate numbers, because they are actually really fucking creative....and being creative is an art.  

Good lord my friend!  Sometimes it's like going into battle with you as a comrade, and while hiking though Afghanistan you're like "look at how neat that land over there looks with all the little bumps all over the place.  So majestic.  Let's go take a stroll, have a look, and admire the beauty!"  
"No...Prime....come back...those are land m......(EXPLOSIONS)"

[Humble Narcissist]

There is no way they can accurately say what the average writer or artist makes because most make nothing at all and a few make millions.  Writer and artist are usually the titles of the unemployed.

[IroNat]

College is rapidly becoming a waste of time. When everyone has a degree, nobody does. It's becoming the new high school diploma. Many places won't even hire you if don't have a college diploma because they prize their worthless major diploma so dearly. Too many kids are graduating with no means of employment with their degree in serious debt from student loans. I told my kids to if their college degree doesn't have their occupation printed on the diploma then they wasted their time. Two of them are doing amazing following my advice. One didn't. He let the drummer of his band decide his major but while he started on the bottom rung he is rapidly advancing and none of it is due to college.

We have welders, electricians, plumbers and many other trades like counter top guys making well over 100K with no student loan debt. The Vietnam nail salon guy in town drives to work in a 7 series BMW when he doesn't take his new Acura MDX SUV. The pizza store owner lives on the water in a very expensive house. Meanwhile the car rental place near my house won't employ you to rent cars unless you have a college degree. A college degree to work the cash register?  

So true.  Good post.

[IroNat]

In practical terms, I agree with you 100%.

The problem really comes down to an old adage.
Everyone wants to be a chief and nobody wants to be an indian.

For example, my dear old buddy Bix ( posts here sometimes) is a master electrician.
Had his own business and made a decent living...when he worked hard.
As he got older, he dreaded crawling under houses and climbing on  roofs.

Jobs , even skilled ones that include manual labor are tough, tedious work.
Like old Rocky told the guy in the employment office who advised him to keep prize fighting ;

"You ever get punched in the face 100x ? It starts to sting after awhile.
I'd like to make aliving sitting down now, ya know, like you over there."

Telling someone to do a tough labor intensive job is like telling 'em to go fight in a war.
It sounds good...as long as the OTHER guy is doing it.

Good post.  Not everyone can be the chief.

Yes, crawling around installing ductwork or piping is no fun.  It's the grunt work just like doing bank reconciliations and comparing invoices is for rookie accountants and preparing/researching briefs is for rookie lawyers.  

Granted, doing tedious bank recs is not physically demanding but will drive you nuts if you did it for 30 years.

The answer to this is becoming the boss someday.  The apprentice electrician becomes the master and has 10 techs doing the grunt work.  The rookie accountant becomes the partner with 5 junior doing the crap work while he meets with the client.  

Staying a grunt is for those who like being a grunt or have reached their limit of talent.  

If you are a one-man show (your buddy Bix?) you will always have to do the grunt work.  Some people are not good at delegating and managing.

Not everybody can do it but that goes for anything.

[XFACTOR]

Did your kid wind up taking the football scholarship to U. Kentucky or did he go to the Coast Guard Academy?

What??

Coach your kid was offered a scholarship to U of K??  No way

These are two pretty opposite options above.

[IroNat]

What??

Coach your kid was offered a scholarship to U of K??  No way

These are two pretty opposite options above.

Not really.  The CG Academy is a free ride methinks.

[peroni]

Just goes hand in hand with the liberals indoctrination bullshit taught In universities. Don’t think for one second this “Professor” isn’t teaching anything else. This is $200k gets you.

Perhaps you should have paid more attention and earned an education as opposed to simply a certificate... "This is $200k gets you"

Keep the gems coming smartypants!!!!!!!

[Primemuscle]

WTF ...Pump the brakes here Prime!  This list is shit.  First of all, it proves every one saying an artsy farts degree is shit right.  

Secondly, what is the source?  It is surely left-biased, as it's taken from a site you read (not a dis, it's just what you gravitate toward), and also look at the fucking ranges on some of these things ...Archaeologist:  Annual salary: $40,000 to $171,000....yeah, that's an insanely high demand field there...here's a site devoted and biased to the number of them and BEST case scenario is that there's roughly 17,000..... IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY https://dougsarchaeology.wordpress.com/2014/06/18/how-many-archaeologists-are-in-the-us-more-than-a-couple-less-than-there-should-be/
Stating that they can make $171,000/yr...LOL!!!  Sure.  We both like dogs so I'll give you a scenario that probably equates to the odds of that....out of 17,000 pure bred black lab puppies 100 of them will have some markings on them.  That's not good likelihood, it's a fucking anomaly! Here's the reality https://work.chron.com/annual-salary-rookie-archaeologist-3522.html
 "Beginning Salaries
According to the Society for American Archaeology, a beginning field assistant with a bachelor’s degree in archaeology typically earns an average of $10 to $12 per hour. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that archaeologists in the bottom 10 percent bracket in 2011 earn $32,160 annually, while those in the bottom 25 percent earn $41,120. Those beginning their careers could expect to earn within this range. The same data shows that the median annual wage for archaeologists is $50,070, while the top 25 percent earn $74,100. Those with Ph.D.s who have not yet reached the pinnacle of their careers can expect to fall within this range.


Finally, since when in the holy heck did economics, HR, an PR stop being in schools of business?  I'll give you sociology, and even archaeology as "arts" just for giggles; but psychology is absolutely science based.....do artsy emotional wanna change the world people gravitate to it?  You bet, but they're learning and studying science based information and facts.

Yes, you can earn a bachelors of arts degree with a major in those things...but the "tracks" for those majors are either in business or science classes.  WTF?  Why didn't they just go balls deep on this list of Arts Degree Jobs and add Forensic Accountants?  Those fuckers are smart, and can do magical shit with numbers and money that no one else would have a clue about.  Let's call them "Art Majors" when they fudge corporate numbers, because they are actually really fucking creative....and being creative is an art.  

Good lord my friend!  Sometimes it's like going into battle with you as a comrade, and while hiking though Afghanistan you're like "look at how neat that land over there looks with all the little bumps all over the place.  So majestic.  Let's go take a stroll, have a look, and admire the beauty!"  
"No...Prime....come back...those are land m......(EXPLOSIONS)"

Source: http://www.collegeranker.com/liberal-arts-degree-jobs/

Your reply is completely overboard. I copied and pasted that info. I neither endorse it nor discredited it. If the source is left biased, that's coincidental because I simply posted the first thing that came up on the subject. You are entitled to your opinion. I wasn't and am not interested in debating it.

Although I'm college educated, I never sought a degree. This left me open to taking whatever courses interested me, which was mostly theater and writing.  And, I paid as I went which wasn't much since tuition was an employee benefit and my wife worked there. None of it had anything to do with career preparation. Unfortunately, education on this basis is a luxury few can afford today.

[Coach is Back!]

Perhaps you should have paid more attention and earned an education as opposed to simply a certificate... "This is $200k gets you"

Keep the gems coming smartypants!!!!!!!

Why? you just keep getting your ass handed to you. Save face.

[myt1]

Source: http://www.collegeranker.com/liberal-arts-degree-jobs/

Your reply is completely overboard. I copied and pasted that info. I neither endorse it nor discredited it. If the source is left biased, that's coincidental because I simply posted the first thing that came up on the subject. You are entitled to your opinion. I wasn't and am not interested in debating it.

Although I'm college educated, I never sought a degree. This left me open to taking whatever courses interested me, which was mostly theater and writing.  And, I paid as I went which wasn't much since tuition was an employee benefit and my wife worked there. None of it had anything to do with career preparation. Unfortunately, education on this basis is a luxury few can afford today.

First off, why the hell would you copy and paste something that long that you "neither endorse" "nor discredit"?   So essentially, you went on the interweb, searched "proof that liberal arts degrees are worth it", and then copied and pasted information that you have no opinion about, or belief in whatsoever?  Next time, just search something random that has no relevance at all to the thread like, "what is the most popular pony owned by rich democrats?"  At least we'll learn something from it, have a good laugh, and it'll likely be more accurate than this list you posted.

Secondly, I didn't go overboard.  Good gosh...how many posts of mine have you read.  Word-wise, what I actually typed was pretty concise for me compared to my norm, and I was actually trying to go easy on you while still getting my frustration across.  Trust me, if I go overboard you'll look back on this one and think "that's one of the nicest things he's ever said to me"  I copied links (which you forgot to provide), and pasted them along with portions of information that were relevant and refuted the nonsensical figures that were contained in your list that you have no opinion on one way or the other.

Finally, the last part was just trying to illustrate that I, and many of the rest us like you, and take the time to read your posts out of respect as a fellow GetBigger.  However, it's sometimes painstaking for us to keep trying to save you from yourself so often.  I just tried to make that apparent while being funny about it.  Apparently, you were not amused.

[IRON CROSS]

on a serious note. half of my family are white english so i would hope not every white person is thinking that! but tbh i really don't give a fk what anyone i

Really, is that why U a so anti British,anti American & anti Polynesian & totally silent about Islam 

[IRON CROSS]

A general statement of "send your children to trade school" is an idiotic statement, considering we still need people to attend college/university in order to become doctors, nurses, social workers, engineers, teachers, biologists, chemists, physicists, speech-language pathologists, etc.

A better statement is, "If you attend college/university, make sure you pick a practical career." Basically, stay away from many of the humanities that indoctrinate the students with a specific ideology.

A U aware that creator of suppinator was teaching at technical school because gym was making too "much" money.

Just don't ask why was he fired 

[oldtimer1]

Graduates

[myt1]

Graduates

Where's the one for liberal arts graduates.

Ya know, the first row of pics from what you posted, and the bottom row three stoners on bean bags playing x-box with an air quote over their heads reading "Didn't they see my degree? I was clearly the best applicant...fuckin fascists"

[Primemuscle]

First off, why the hell would you copy and paste something that long that you "neither endorse" "nor discredit"?   So essentially, you went on the interweb, searched "proof that liberal arts degrees are worth it", and then copied and pasted information that you have no opinion about, or belief in whatsoever?  Next time, just search something random that has no relevance at all to the thread like, "what is the most popular pony owned by rich democrats?"  At least we'll learn something from it, have a good laugh, and it'll likely be more accurate than this list you posted.

Secondly, I didn't go overboard.  Good gosh...how many posts of mine have you read.  Word-wise, what I actually typed was pretty concise for me compared to my norm, and I was actually trying to go easy on you while still getting my frustration across.  Trust me, if I go overboard you'll look back on this one and think "that's one of the nicest things he's ever said to me"  I copied links (which you forgot to provide), and pasted them along with portions of information that were relevant and refuted the nonsensical figures that were contained in your list that you have no opinion on one way or the other.

Finally, the last part was just trying to illustrate that I, and many of the rest us like you, and take the time to read your posts out of respect as a fellow GetBigger.  However, it's sometimes painstaking for us to keep trying to save you from yourself so often.  I just tried to make that apparent while being funny about it.  Apparently, you were not amused.

One thought...Don't bother "trying to save me from myself."  You are not my guardian angel.

[myt1]

One thought...Don't bother "trying to save me from myself."  You are not my guardian angel.

For pete sake Prime it's just in fun....lighten up.  We've all gotten ripped here b4.  Take it in stride, and move on.  I provide ample opportunities to get my ass handed to me, so have at it when you see one.

Glad to see you thawed out, and are alive and posting.  LOL

[Fallsview]

The Top Highest Paying Liberal Arts Degree Jobs - based on 2015 figures.

1. Economist
Of the liberal arts disciplines, the field with the most potential for compensation close to the better paid professions like finance, law, medicine, or technology, Economics is the highest performer. Graduates with an undergraduate degree in the subject will find hiring on the traditional job market easier. Economics majors have opportunity for advancement in corporate, government, or nonprofit accounting, finance, sales and analyst functions. Graduate degree holders in economics, generally find the same opportunities for hire as a Master of Business Administration. Economists with a PhD are also highly valued in the policy and research fields, and as consultants to the insurance and legal fields where econometric modeling is required to evaluate liability. Annual salary: $40,000 to $200,000.

2. Archeologist
Qualifications as an Archaeologist represent a unique set of skills, making demand high for professionals with geological and traditional archeological training. Scientific testing of archeological sites is critical to the commission of energy projects, as well as land developer compliance audit with environmental and soil regulations in instances of burial ground or other substantial archeological site. Forensic archeologists conduct the recovery, testing and cataloging of artifacts and human remains for storage or transport. Traditional archeologists may also work on behalf of a museum or university in the reconstruction of a history of a people or environmental event. Professional archaeologists require a graduate degree to advance as professionals. Annual salary: $40,000 to $171,000.

3. Sociologist
The study of social groups, their cultures, institutions, and organizations is the provenance of the Sociologist. The field is acknowledged as a Renaissance discipline, so that when sociologists conduct research ethnographies, they may examine the origins, behaviors and interactions of a social group for in-depth analysis of economic, political or religious insights. Sociological research often contributes to social policy formation. The dual focus on qualitative and quantitative or statistical analysis in the discipline, makes this sociology good preparation for a role as a faculty, or in service to government or nonprofit agencies, as well as market research. Annual salary: $55,000 to $97,000.

4. Psychologist
Liberal arts training in psychology is offered a most university institutions at the PhD level. Psychologists may also be employed as faculty or professional researchers engaged in studying behavioral patterns, through testing, procedures and analysis of scientific outcomes toward development of evidence based practice models of treatment. Professionals desiring to work as licensed counselors, clinical, or research psychologists must complete a graduate degree in the subject. Annual salary: $67,000 to $90,000.

5. Public Relations Specialist
Responsible for the brand identity or celebrity of a clients, Public Relations Specialists work on behalf of a corporation or public figure in coordination with reporters to increase visibility and performance of a communications strategy. Critical to the sustained confidence of investor support Public Relations Specialists, promote a client’s image by way of multi-scale marketing strategies and professional public relations campaigns. Public Relations Specialist require Bachelor of Arts degree in advertising, communications, journalism, or public relations. Those desiring managerial positions should pursue a graduate degree. Annual salary: $ 40,000 to $73,000.

6. Human Resources Specialists
Organizational performance begins with human assets. The innovation of human resource management (HRM) systems approaches to the recruitment, training, motivation, and retention of company’s top talent requires sophisticated training in the field of Human Resources. A degree in human resources also prepares a candidate for leadership in an organization. Working in coordination with executive management, Human Resource Directors are responsible for the development of strategic compensation and benefit plans, procedures, policies, and training. Human resources specialists require a Bachelor of Arts or Master of Arts degree in human resources, or related field such as business administration, labor relations, personnel administration, or behavioral sciences. Annual salary: $42,000 to $72,000.

7. Graphic Designer or Artist
The commercial demand for Graphic Design has expanded the opportunity for students graduating from Graphic Arts degree programs. Engaged in the design, analysis, and production of visual images for advertising, marketing, products and services collateral, Graphic Designers and Artists use software applications or hand drawn sketches for a range of promotional materials and other aesthetic purposes. Animation, illustration, photographs, prints, and text incorporation of images created by Graphic Designers and Artists add value to any publication. Professionals entering the job market from an undergraduate degree program will find a variety of opportunities available, including digital game design. Graduates with a degree will have more opportunity as executives in related fields such as museum curatorial. Annual salary: $33,000 to $65,000.

8. Writer
Preparation of manuscripts, articles, books, and stories, for journals, magazines, newspapers, radio, television, and we content by professional writers illustrates the breadth of expertise in information and knowledge development that English majors and other liberal arts scholars offer. Some writers work as reporters, conducting research, holding interviews, report facts, and develop concepts for application of findings. Writers may also generate content for advertisements, websites and a host of other new media channels of information. Technical writers are in hot demand, writing for scientific and technology organizations in the creation of instructional manuals. Master of Fine Arts, and those with a degree in Communications, Journalism will be the most sought after. Annual salary: $57,000 to $65,000.

9. Social Worker
The front line case managers locating resources to help individuals, families or groups of people to access assistance programs, counseling, career training, housing, or substance abuse treatment, Social Workers have an important obligation to clients. Social Workers require a Bachelor degree. Graduates with a Master degree in human services, psychology, or sociology and National Association of Social Workers certification are qualified for managerial roles in the field. Annual salary: $37,000 to $56,000.

10. Teacher
Education in the arts, language, sciences, and social sciences is required for a professional career as a teacher. Liberal arts programs offer teachers in training the knowledge they require to pass subject matter exams. Teaching requires a Bachelor degree. Graduate level teachers candidates receive higher compensation due to institutional ranking. Annual salary: $47,000 to $52,000.

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I have no clue what you mean by "Liberal Arts" degree. In order for one to be a Psychologist one must at least have a four year degree in PSYCHOLOGY!!!! That is NOT a Liberal Arts degree.




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[AbrahamG]

Goodmorrow,


I have no clue what you mean by "Liberal Arts" degree. In order for one to be a Psychologist one must at least have a four year degree in PSYCHOLOGY!!!! That is NOT a Liberal Arts degree.




STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please interject yourself into the thread about Pellius and the homeless guy blowing each other.  I'd love to hear your thoughts/insight.  Regards.

[Primemuscle]

For pete sake Prime it's just in fun....lighten up.  We've all gotten ripped here b4.  Take it in stride, and move on.  I provide ample opportunities to get my ass handed to me, so have at it when you see one.

Glad to see you thawed out, and are alive and posting.  LOL

Sure it is all in fun....sometimes. There are also times when posts are mean spirited and/or slanderous. Don't wait for me to hand you your ass. I'm working on not doing that to folks.

More cold temperatures are supposedly coming our way. I'll believe it when I see it. Daffodils and Fall Crocuses are leafing out in the garden. I'm waiting for any danger of frost to pass so I can prune the Hydrangeas.

[Fallsview]

Sure it is all in fun....sometimes. There are also times when posts are mean spirited and/or slanderous. Don't wait for me to hand you your ass. I'm working on not doing that to folks.

More cold temperatures are supposedly coming our way. I'll believe it when I see it. Daffodils and Fall Crocuses are leafing out in the garden. I'm waiting for any danger of frost to pass so I can prune the Hydrangeas.

You didn't answer my question.





STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!