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Re: GM Laying Off 4,000+ White Collar Salaried Workers
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2019, 11:46:14 AM »
Here's something that really boggles my mind about GM....Maybe it's different in other areas of the country...

The Pontiac Grand Am and Grand Prix models were by far two of the most common car types on the road here leading up to the bailout.  When the shit hit the fan in the auto industry GM canned both models.  Nice survival strategy :P

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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2019, 11:52:51 AM »
Here's something that really boggles my mind about GM....Maybe it's different in other areas of the country...

The Pontiac Grand Am and Grand Prix models were by far two of the most common car types on the road here leading up to the bailout.  When the shit hit the fan in the auto industry GM canned both models.  Nice survival strategy :P

The government forced GM to eliminate brands.  Hummer, Saturn, Pontiac, all got cut and all three were viable brands that GM probably would not have eliminated had the government not forced them to.  It actually made more sense to cut Buick in the US than Pontiac.  The government even wanted them to cut GMC and GM said no way that's a cash cow.



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Re: GM Laying Off 4,000+ White Collar Salaried Workers
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2019, 01:22:31 PM »
Usually auto CEO's will wait till a downturn to start the layoffs.  Mary has made the decision to make the cuts before the downturn, so those employees have a better chance of finding another job while the economy is still strong.  GM's cutting 25 percent of executive management.  Those people have strong resumes and will easily be able to find other jobs.





Easy to say when you're not the one in that position.

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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2019, 01:51:34 PM »
The government forced GM to eliminate brands.  Hummer, Saturn, Pontiac, all got cut and all three were viable brands that GM probably would not have eliminated had the government not forced them to.  It actually made more sense to cut Buick in the US than Pontiac.  The government even wanted them to cut GMC and GM said no way that's a cash cow.




So the decision on those brands was imposed by the government?  Obama's administration couldn't be bothered to read or understand a fucking sales report? 

Never knew that's what caused that decision if what you posted is true. 

Saturns were another car that was very common here.  I had an Ion 3 sport for a few years.  Got lot's of compliments and shocked responses when people asked "what kinda car is that?"  I'm not a car guy so I can't tell you the issue exactly, something to do with ball joints/bearings around the passenger side axle acted up right before the 3 yr warranty was up, so I traded it in.

My ex-gf had a black grand prix gt like this one, but with a sliding glass roof and better rims https://www.google.com/search?q=2000+grand+prix+gt&rlz=1C1PRFC_enUS643US643&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=SalejKOCG8OuZM%253A%252CzJKzidQQ1tJ82M%252C%252Fg%252F12v_cj34k&usg=AI4_-kQ-JT5r9rSk8_xGeEqRSi5hCpQ34g&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwib75ellbfgAhVEyoMKHYuEAJ4Q_B0wE3oECAUQBg#imgrc=GZMDd_N8cSeZvM:

Cool looking common-type car for back then.  Nice on the inside.  Drove well too......I was getting blown at the time so my opinion might be off about that. ;D

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Re: GM Laying Off 4,000+ White Collar Salaried Workers
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2019, 02:03:22 PM »
So the decision on those brands was imposed by the government?  Obama's administration couldn't be bothered to read or understand a fucking sales report?  

Never knew that's what caused that decision if what you posted is true.  


The decision was primarily made because badge engineering was no longer a sustainable business model.  Multiple vehicles across GM were the same car with different badging with few if any differences.  

GM killed Oldsmobile in early 2000s as a precursor to killing Pontiac.  Buick carried on because in markets outside of North America (China especially), the Buick marque has lots of brand equity.

There is a reason Plymouth and Mercury got axed too.

GMC is an anomaly as the Chevrolet & GMC trucks are pure badge engineering.

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« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2019, 02:35:27 PM »
You are not telling the full story or maybe just don't know what the story is. I can educate you as Ford was good client of mine for a while.

They were bailed out. In other ways.
They got a $5 billion billion loan from the Energy Department's Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing program. For the money, it pledged to accelerate development of both hybrid and battery-powered vehicles, close dealerships, and sell Volvo. It upgraded factories in Illinois, Kentucky, Michigan, Missouri, and Ohio to produce hybrid vehicles.” We tried to help them optimize these plants but the union got involved quickly after implementation saying our software platform was policing the employees. When we deployed at Toyota, even BMW the returns were substanial for them but alas no unions.
Should be  noted that ford, ten years later, is in last place, as of now, in regards to the development of hybrid and battery powered vehicles.


Unions are the core issue destroying western capitalism and if they are the core issue in this shutdown then I fully support the shutdown, the working populations in the west are lazy overpaid and entitled. There has to be a point when liberals and unions realise you cannot pay over the odds when the product being manufactured depends on the free market for sale, its simple the product cannot cost more to make than it does to sell. Marxist idiots. The world since well before modern capitalism and its critics survived on a system of value, even communism had ties to it, they ignored the point of value and thats why as a system it failed.
Unfortunately capitalism delivers winners and losers and in todays soft world thats not tolerated.

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« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2019, 02:44:37 PM »
Unions are the core issue destroying western capitalism and if they are the core issue in this shutdown then I fully support the shutdown, the working populations in the west are lazy overpaid and entitled. There has to be a point when liberals and unions realise you cannot pay over the odds when the product being manufactured depends on the free market for sale, its simple the product cannot cost more to make than it does to sell. Marxist idiots. The world since well before modern capitalism and its critics survived on a system of value, even communism had ties to it, they ignored the point of value and thats why as a system it failed.
Unfortunately capitalism delivers winners and losers and in todays soft world thats not tolerated.

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Unions aren't at blame here. They are dont have the strength they did in the past, today they try to negotiate terms and rates of employment but their main goal is to survive.

You should check out several non union shops, with employment of 300 and over shop people, and see the conditions of "the lazy entitled overpaid worker".

Unions can be bad but they're arent the reason companies shut down.

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« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2019, 02:54:38 PM »
GM bailouts started under Bush. At some point the market speaks even if you prop GM up.

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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2019, 03:24:30 PM »
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Unions aren't at blame here. They are dont have the strength they did in the past, today they try to negotiate terms and rates of employment but their main goal is to survive.

You should check out several non union shops, with employment of 300 and over shop people, and see the conditions of "the lazy entitled overpaid worker".

Unions can be bad but they're arent the reason companies shut down.

I agree on most, but I think you're underestimating the strength that unions still have.  Just look at any Dems backers, and there's likely to be one or more in the top 10....Pelosi helps pull the strings on who gets how much currently.  With money comes power, and unions still have a lot of money so...

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« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2019, 04:42:17 PM »
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Unions aren't at blame here. They are dont have the strength they did in the past, today they try to negotiate terms and rates of employment but their main goal is to survive.

You should check out several non union shops, with employment of 300 and over shop people, and see the conditions of "the lazy entitled overpaid worker".

Unions can be bad but they're arent the reason companies shut down.

I respectfully disagree,  I have closed two businesses in the past due to unions and their inability to manage through common sense situations when bargaining. Respectfully being the word. In my opinion two biggest issues facing western economies are multi nationals who avoid paying company tax, and on the other hand unions who don't respect economic reality when bargaining agreements.

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« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2019, 06:38:08 PM »

A co-worker told me story about another large three letter computer company.  When one of the employees gave his two weeks notice.  He sent a letter saying he wanted to work there his entire life, but was so disappointed he was leaving.  They immediately sent two armed guards to escort him out.

Being walked is normal jf you are going to a competitor, have access to business critical information, may cause trouble etc. Plus you get paid for the notice period despite not having to work. it's all very normal and very common.

Mass layoffs its key to remove people and separate quickly. A person is fine by themselves but 30 people become a mob mentality. So whilst on the surface it may look bad, the  business has a priority to protect the existing employees and dispersing those laid off is a safety strategy.

I certainly would not feel safe walking out of an office and into 50-100 very upset and angry people.... who the fuck knows what 1 or 2 idiots will do. Thats why they have cars and security and walk people without allowing them to go back to their desk.

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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2019, 08:09:38 PM »
I respectfully disagree,  I have closed two businesses in the past due to unions and their inability to manage through common sense situations when bargaining. Respectfully being the word. In my opinion two biggest issues facing western economies are multi nationals who avoid paying company tax, and on the other hand unions who don't respect economic reality when bargaining agreements.

Fair enough. Im sorry for your experiences dealing with some of these nincompoops.

I worked for a privately owned food manufacturer/distributor and the if the owner would shut down production facilities and reopen it in a different city as opposed to deal with the union nonsense.

This was a company with 4000 + employees but each district had a different union so there was no unity between the districts.

The union did try to make the workplace better and establish fair pay, but they had no real power and would continually lose power every contract negotiation. It had its benefits but they were more concerned about staying operational.

The company I work for now is much smaller and the plant people could benefit from union organization, but I'm sure the doors would be shut before the union could even pass out literature.



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« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2019, 09:36:06 PM »
All good Dave, the view will always be best from a position of self interest, in saying that I have always tried not to forget where I have come from and totally respect the people who have worked for me, competing against globals who don't pay tax, is in my opinion worse than bargaining with unions. Where companies due to scale and global operations can find tax relief in the form of complicated avoidance gives them an unfair advantage in the marketplace over the little guys who can't, its the main factor driving globalisation, they don't pay tax, their onshore family business competitors do, if you avoid don't pay tax you can sell at margins below the little guy and squeeze him out. The IRS will always go the little guy over the multi national due to litigation usually being about who can fund the best defence. Biggest failure of western governments over the years has been allowing this to happen. The country of residence is worse off as the tax base as a percentage shrinks overall, so no one is better off except the companies, their lobbyists and the politicians bought off along the way.

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« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2019, 03:02:36 AM »
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Unions aren't at blame here. They are dont have the strength they did in the past, today they try to negotiate terms and rates of employment but their main goal is to survive.

You should check out several non union shops, with employment of 300 and over shop people, and see the conditions of "the lazy entitled overpaid worker".

Unions can be bad but they're arent the reason companies shut down.
Unions absolutely can be the reason for companies shutting down.

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« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2019, 06:50:35 AM »
The decision was primarily made because badge engineering was no longer a sustainable business model.  Multiple vehicles across GM were the same car with different badging with few if any differences.  

GM killed Oldsmobile in early 2000s as a precursor to killing Pontiac.  Buick carried on because in markets outside of North America (China especially), the Buick marque has lots of brand equity.

There is a reason Plymouth and Mercury got axed too.

GMC is an anomaly as the Chevrolet & GMC trucks are pure badge engineering.


Badge engineering is illegal in Germany

Think Lamborghini huracan and Audi R8, same engine, chassis, transmission but totally different driving feel, looks, tuning, etc

Same could be said about the new Supra and Z4

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« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2019, 07:11:31 AM »
Unions absolutely can be the reason for companies shutting down.

Unions are why GM laid off 4000 employees and middle management executives?

Got it. If you'd read my other post you'd see where I adjusted my statement.

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« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2019, 12:47:26 PM »
local companies are going down left and right lately [2019] 2 more went down this week. nemf trucking in business since 1977 and bieber bus lines in business since 1946.
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« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2019, 01:01:35 PM »
 ??? ??? ??? ???   WINNING      ??? ??? ??? ???   first rule of owning a business. PAY YOURSELF WELL.
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« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2019, 01:36:52 PM »
??? ??? ??? ???   WINNING      ??? ??? ??? ???   first rule of owning a business. PAY YOURSELF WELL.
And yet he's President and owns your small mind.

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« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2019, 04:39:13 AM »

Badge engineering is illegal in Germany

Think Lamborghini huracan and Audi R8, same engine, chassis, transmission but totally different driving feel, looks, tuning, etc

Same could be said about the new Supra and Z4

A little insight from across the pond if you care: Lambo today are laughed at, 99% here believe they're a joke since Audi purchased them.
Obviously the kind of customer they tend to attract is not helping...
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Re: GM Laying Off 4,000+ White Collar Salaried Workers
« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2019, 05:12:43 AM »
Companies that go under do it to themselves w/ piss poor MGT.
No Prez ever had anything to do w/ that. Look at the shit that tanked under "Ghey Barry-O", even libtard Boston Globe shits on him in many articles, and they loved the homo.

The economy. Obama took office during a painful recession and (with Congress’s help) made it even worse. Historically, the deeper a recession, the more robust the recovery that follows, but the economy’s rebound under Obama was the worst in seven decades. Annual GDP growth since the recession ended has averaged a feeble 2.1 percent, by far the puniest economic performance of any president since World War II. Obama spent more public funds on “stimulus” than all previous stimulus programs combined, with wretched, counterproductive results. On his watch, millions of additional Americans fell below the poverty line. The number of food stamp recipients soared. The national debt doubled to an incredible $20 trillion. According to the Pew Research Center, the share of young adults (18- to 34-year-olds) living in their parents’ homes is the highest it has been since the Great Depression.

Of course they blame Bush, etc.

Things come and go in waves, retrd Prez's can help it one way or another (minorly), but this homo was the worst,and blind libtards cannot see either side, they only see things one way.

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« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2019, 09:56:14 AM »
And yet he's President and owns your small mind.
               sorry, i know you loves your hero more today than yesterday. i meant no disrespect. the orangeman sure knows how to do bankruptcies.
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« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2019, 10:21:38 AM »
               sorry, i know you loves your hero more today than yesterday. i meant no disrespect. the orangeman sure knows how to do bankruptcies.

Say what you will about the guy, but there's no disputing Trump has overcome an insanely significant more amount of adversity the Krapernick ever will.  One thing in common they have is the hardships they've encountered have been the result of their own decisions. 

Trump admits his failures (mostly).  Krapernick blames the world...the white straight world....in which he was adopted by a well-off and loving WHITE family (as described by Kap)
Trump went on from his failures, and got a pretty good job.  POTUS.
Krap went on to be a fake-SJW, quasi-celeb, side show, and an unemployed QB

Trump > Krapernick

BTW...49ers are my team, and under Harbaugh I thought Kaepernick was going to win multiple SB's and change the qb position.  I was definitely pro-Kap.  Then he got benched, and pouted.  When asked for the first time in the locker room by a beat report about his pouting as it gained attention, he was stuttering to remember the fake narrative he created in his head as he knew he'd have to answer for it.  It's all bullshit with him bro.  Nike putting Kaps face on that ad portraying him as a hero is a joke!

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« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2019, 11:19:27 AM »
Say what you will about the guy, but there's no disputing Trump has overcome an insanely significant more amount of adversity the Krapernick ever will.  One thing in common they have is the hardships they've encountered have been the result of their own decisions. 

Trump admits his failures (mostly).  Krapernick blames the world...the white straight world....in which he was adopted by a well-off and loving WHITE family (as described by Kap)
Trump went on from his failures, and got a pretty good job.  POTUS.
Krap went on to be a fake-SJW, quasi-celeb, side show, and an unemployed QB

Trump > Krapernick

BTW...49ers are my team, and under Harbaugh I thought Kaepernick was going to win multiple SB's and change the qb position.  I was definitely pro-Kap.  Then he got benched, and pouted.  When asked for the first time in the locker room by a beat report about his pouting as it gained attention, he was stuttering to remember the fake narrative he created in his head as he knew he'd have to answer for it.  It's all bullshit with him bro.  Nike putting Kaps face on that ad portraying him as a hero is a joke!
   say what you will about krapernitwit, he should have had a job this year as at least a backup on a lot of teams. the redskins signed a guy who hadn't thrown a pass in the league since 2011.
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« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2019, 11:24:13 AM »
   say what you will about krapernitwit, he should have had a job this year as at least a backup on a lot of teams. the redskins signed a guy who hadn't thrown a pass in the league since 2011.
No he shouldn't have.  The backup QB cannot be a headache for the organization.  Baltimore was going to sign him a couple years ago until he blew that up by mocking the team owner as a slave master.