How Important Was Joe Weider For Arnold's Success?

[myt1]

In regards to Vince's story about the daughter and Arnold....

We've seen the pic of him fingering a young chick in a group setting, in public, and while smiling for the camera.  I also recall stories from those days' pros or old G.G. regulars talking about how the girls showered with the guys, and there was more than one occasion when the gym closed that a girl(s) were playin "all aboard" on the end of a bber choo-choo train.

It doesn't really seem that implausible to me.  Vince, aren't you an accessory to a rape if that's how it really went down.   Are you so desperate to be acknowledged as being "in the loop" that you're actually fine with posting such info with seemingly no remorse/regret?    Kinda sad sir 

[Fortress]

I have zero doubt Arnold’s past includes innumerable questionable sexual encounters.

To think otherwise is pure ignorance concerning who this man is and the scene in which he ran.

[Skeletor]

In regards to Vince's story about the daughter and Arnold....

We've seen the pic of him fingering a young chick in a group setting, in public, and while smiling for the camera.  I also recall stories from those days' pros or old G.G. regulars talking about how the girls showered with the guys, and there was more than one occasion when the gym closed that a girl(s) were playin "all aboard" on the end of a bber choo-choo train.

It doesn't really seem that implausible to me.  Vince, aren't you an accessory to a rape if that's how it really went down.   Are you so desperate to be acknowledged as being "in the loop" that you're actually fine with posting such info with seemingly no remorse/regret?    Kinda sad sir 

[myt1]

Thanx Skeletor!

That's the one.  Looks like an upstanding good-natured chap, who'd be unlikely to fuck anything walking....or laying, standing, sitting, ...running, right?

I have zero doubt Arnold’s past includes innumerable questionable sexual encounters.

To think otherwise is pure ignorance concerning who this man is and the scene in which he ran.

I was hoping you'd chime in on this.  We(old fuckers) know you have inside knowledge. So boom...mystery solved.

[pellius]

In regards to Vince's story about the daughter and Arnold....

We've seen the pic of him fingering a young chick in a group setting, in public, and while smiling for the camera.  I also recall stories from those days' pros or old G.G. regulars talking about how the girls showered with the guys, and there was more than one occasion when the gym closed that a girl(s) were playin "all aboard" on the end of a bber choo-choo train.

It doesn't really seem that implausible to me.  Vince, aren't you an accessory to a rape if that's how it really went down.   Are you so desperate to be acknowledged as being "in the loop" that you're actually fine with posting such info with seemingly no remorse/regret?    Kinda sad sir 

Remember what his comment was earlier in this thread. The typical Leftist propaganda. The "who are we to judge" argument that they use for everything, whether it's aberrant behavior, sexual perversion, or political systems and ideology. The Left was the biggest defenders of Communism. It was just an alternative political system and who are we to say that ours is better. It took a Reagan, a man with conviction and a moral foundation to state plainly that Communism was evil. They think it's a virtue not to judge. That just means you don't have standards for individuals and society. I think a lot has to do with secularism. No value system higher than yourself. Vince is an avowed atheist.

I am just reporting what others said. I made no value judgement.

[Vince B]

In regards to Vince's story about the daughter and Arnold....

We've seen the pic of him fingering a young chick in a group setting, in public, and while smiling for the camera.  I also recall stories from those days' pros or old G.G. regulars talking about how the girls showered with the guys, and there was more than one occasion when the gym closed that a girl(s) were playin "all aboard" on the end of a bber choo-choo train.

It doesn't really seem that implausible to me.  Vince, aren't you an accessory to a rape if that's how it really went down.   Are you so desperate to be acknowledged as being "in the loop" that you're actually fine with posting such info with seemingly no remorse/regret?    Kinda sad sir 

What daughter? Not mine! It was a babysitter, 16 years old. Arnold felt he could do whatever he liked and just about did whenever it pleased him. Quite boorish behaviour for anyone.

The girl willingly went into a bedroom with Arnold. Afterwards when asked what happened she said Arnold forced her. She also said she didn't want to get anyone into any trouble. Does that sound like rape?  Her parents were there so

they were responsible for her. As a matter of fact they were looking for her at the time.

If she thought something like rape had occurred she would have told her parents. I doubt she told them what happened in the bedroom.

[myt1]

What daughter? Not mine! It was a babysitter, 16 years old. Arnold felt he could do whatever he liked and just about did whenever it pleased him. Quite boorish behaviour for anyone.

The girl willingly went into a bedroom with Arnold. Afterwards when asked what happened she said Arnold forced her. She also said she didn't want to get anyone into any trouble. Does that sound like rape?  Her parents were there so

they were responsible for her. As a matter of fact they were looking for her at the time.

If she thought something like rape had occurred she would have told her parents. I doubt she told them what happened in the bedroom.

First of all, I did not fucking say YOUR daughter.  Adjust your glasses, or at least don't be so defensive about something that doesn't pertain to you.  It makes you seem guilty of something.

Secondly, yeah...that sounds like rape

[pellius]

First of all, I did not fucking say YOUR daughter.  Adjust your glasses, or at least don't be so defensive about something that doesn't pertain to you.  It makes you seem guilty of something.

Secondly, yeah...that sounds like rape

Third, under age.

[Matt]

Great thread.  I can't add much more to what has been said on here.  Joe was fundamental to Arnold's success, and vice versa [to some extent].  It's hard to say which one helped the other more.  I think both would have been successful regardless of whether or not they met one another.

Imagine a Jew meets an Austrian, and they have a relationship like that.  I'm not a leftist, but it's almost touching.

[Humble Narcissist]

Remember what his comment was earlier in this thread. The typical Leftist propaganda. The "who are we to judge" argument that they use for everything, whether it's aberrant behavior, sexual perversion, or political systems and ideology. The Left was the biggest defenders of Communism. It was just an alternative political system and who are we to say that ours is better. It took a Reagan, a man with conviction and a moral foundation to state plainly that Communism was evil. They think it's a virtue not to judge. That just means you don't have standards for individuals and society. I think a lot has to do with secularism. No value system higher than yourself. Vince is an avowed atheist.

Those leftists that constantly tell people not to judge are THE most judgmental people you will ever meet.

[IRON CROSS]

What daughter? Not mine! It was a babysitter, 16 years old. Arnold felt he could do whatever he liked and just about did whenever it pleased him. Quite boorish behaviour for anyone.

The girl willingly went into a bedroom with Arnold. Afterwards when asked what happened she said Arnold forced her. She also said she didn't want to get anyone into any trouble. Does that sound like rape?  Her parents were there so

they were responsible for her. As a matter of fact they were looking for her at the time.

If she thought something like rape had occurred she would have told her parents. I doubt she told them what happened in the bedroom.

It's about time to inform Roz about Fat Pinocchio internet activities , after all her apartment & bead is publicly advertised by her ex 

[IRON CROSS]

What daughter? Not mine! It was a babysitter, 16 years old. Arnold felt he could do whatever he liked and just about did whenever it pleased him. Quite boorish behaviour for anyone.

The girl willingly went into a bedroom with Arnold. Afterwards when asked what happened she said Arnold forced her. She also said she didn't want to get anyone into any trouble. Does that sound like rape?  Her parents were there so

they were responsible for her. As a matter of fact they were looking for her at the time.

If she thought something like rape had occurred she would have told her parents. I doubt she told them what happened in the bedroom.

WOW & WOW   , 2 BED ROOM apartments & her parents could NOT locate her ...............

In 1 'Safety Fats' version : A. was bonking her in a BED ROOM & in another on BALCONY ...............

OBW, now is apartment , before was "THE PENTHOUSE " ............

[myt1]

WOW & WOW  , 2 BEAD ROOM apartments & her parents could NOT locate her ...............

In 1 'Safety Fats' version : A. was bonking her in a BEAD ROOM & in another on BALCONY ...............

OBW, now is apartment , before was "THE PENTHOUSE " ............

Dementia? Alzheimers?

Liar

[Vince B]

Dementia? Alzheimers?

Liar

I am of sound mind and body. Iron Cross is somewhat challenged intellectually. Notice how he spells 'bedroom'.

He is being paid to harass me any way he can. If he can get people to think I lied about some small things then perhaps

I made up the story about Arnold. Nope, that story is the truth.

Our apartment was Unit 64. Here are two other properties to give an idea of how many bedrooms, views, etc.

http://house.ksou.cn/p.php?q=Manly&sta=nsw&id=73460

https://www.realestate.com.au/sold/property-apartment-nsw-manly-106893811

[IRON CROSS]

I am of sound mind and body. Iron Cross is somewhat challenged intellectually. Notice how he spells 'bedroom'.

He is being paid to harass me any way he can. If he can get people to think I lied about some small things then perhaps

I made up the story about Arnold. Nope, that story is the truth.

Our apartment was Unit 64.

 

just another contradiction:  '' Our APARTMENT '' , so no more PENTHOUSE   

Hey, mr.Safety Fat , WHY Rozy didn't call Manly cops 

[IRON CROSS]

Dementia? Alzheimers?

Liar

He hated Arnold 4 placing him THE LAST on Paul Graham IFBB Mr.Australia 1975

Just don't ask him who was selling Arnolds poster in Roz & Vince gym 

His hate toward P.Graham & IFBB is well documented, but attending Mr.Olympia '80 & selling images of that event  , was just fine .

Hates Tony Dohertys  success too.

[Vince B]

He hated Arnold 4 placing him THE LAST on Paul Graham IFBB Mr.Australia 1975

Just don't ask him who was selling Arnolds poster in Roz & Vince gym 

His hate toward P.Graham & IFBB is well documented, but attending Mr.Olympia '80 & selling images of that event  , was just fine .

Hates Tony Dohertys  success too.

What a f%$kwit you are. I don't hate Arnold. However, I sure didn't like the way he and Paul Graham put me last in the 1975 Mr Australia contest.

Paul Graham gave me the lowest score of all the judges. He was 'getting even' for the times I was a judge and he didn't win. Also, two weeks earlier

Robert Nailon was given a gift of the Mr NSW contest. So many of us booed. Andrew Shigelski, a gym member, overheard Paul and Arnold saying they

would fix me in Melbourne. I told Frank Burwash before the contest but he did bugger all. Later he wrote me a letter admitting that both Paul and

Arnold unfairly put me last.

We never sold any posters of Arnold at our gym. Never. So stop making up shit.

I had a run in with Tony Doherty. He didn't like a couple of posts I made. That was it. I certainly don't begrudge his success. Good luck to anyone who

opens gyms or runs contests.

[IRON CROSS]

What a f%$kwit you are. I don't hate Arnold. However, I sure didn't like the way he and Paul Graham put me last in the 1975 Mr Australia contest.

Paul Graham gave me the lowest score of all the judges. He was 'getting even' for the times I was a judge and he didn't win. Also, two weeks earlier

Robert Nailon was given a gift of the Mr NSW contest. So many of us booed. Andrew Shigelski, a gym member, overheard Paul and Arnold saying they

would fix me in Melbourne. I told Frank Burwash before the contest but he did bugger all. Later he wrote me a letter admitting that both Paul and

Arnold unfairly put me last.

WHY not posting image or 2 from Ifbb Mr.Australia 1975 to prove your 'body superiority' over others .

If U travel to South Africa (as Aussie rep) would you also defeat Robby Robinson for Ifbb Mr.Universe 1975 title !!!

Roger Walker, was 'only' 2nd on that contest.

OMG , U would be in 'Pumping Iron' too   

[JAGO]

He may be an annoyance from time to time, but the guy has been around and has lots of history in and around the industry.  He was this close to being Arthur Jones when it comes to machine innovation

At every single juncture he claims to have been around . . . total bullshitter. I took this picture, it was published in Muscle Builder & Power.

J

[IRON CROSS]

Arnold unfairly put me last.

We never sold any posters of Arnold at our gym. Never. So stop making up shit.

Ah, that Arnold 


mr. Safety Fat U poop your pant's AGAIN: who created Roz & Vince gym page on FACEBOOK (ah, must be A.) & WHO was using American pro's images

to promote that dead business & WHO was selling Arnold poster on that Facebook page.

[IRON CROSS]

At every single juncture he claims to have been around . . . total bullshitter. I took this picture, it was published in Muscle Builder & Power.

J

Yes & yes, just go to Youtube: Grandfather of Australian bodybuilding , Tony Doherty Muscle TV ,3 episodes about Rocco Oppedisano.

Everyone else visited muscle mecca too, SO WHAT. Why Joe didn't notice him, hmmmm................... .....

Regarding to him, he would also defeat Frank Zane (IronAge site) & obviously many others, like Roger Walker in 1975 .YEAH RIGHT 


WHO was stopping him from competing on PBBI contests in Australia .

WHO was stopping him from ''defeating" Zane on NABBA Mr.Universe, or winning WBBG titles or Ifbb Mr.International ..............!!!!.

Nubret would welcome him to WABBA , but .....................

[Vince B]

Yes & yes, just go to Youtube: Grandfather of Australian bodybuilding , Tony Doherty Muscle TV ,3 episodes about Rocco Oppedisano.

Everyone else visited muscle mecca too, SO WHAT. Why Joe didn't notice him, hmmmm................... .....

Regarding to him, he would also defeat Frank Zane (IronAge site) & obviously many others, like Roger Walker in 1975 .YEAH RIGHT 


WHO was stopping him from competing on PBBI contests in Australia .

WHO was stopping him from ''defeating" Zane on NABBA Mr.Universe, or winning WBBG titles or Ifbb Mr.International ..............!!!!.

Nubret would welcome him to WABBA , but .....................

I swear that your posts are like a guy taking a shit wherever he goes!

[myt1]

At every single juncture he claims to have been around . . . total bullshitter. I took this picture, it was published in Muscle Builder & Power.

J

He's out of frame in the far right corner assembling and installing his revolutionary machine that has led to the peaks of all the legends.

I'm sure there's a post on here from him reminiscing about watching you take this photo as he did that.

[pellius]

I swear that your posts are like a guy taking a shit wherever he goes!

I swear, just your presence on this board is like a steamy lump of shit spreading your foul odor everywhere.

Still waiting for an answer as to why you did nothing when a rape occurred in your apartment with you present and you did nothing.

[Vince B]

I swear, just your presence on this board is like a steamy lump of shit spreading your foul odor everywhere.

Still waiting for an answer as to why you did nothing when a rape occurred in your apartment with you present and you did nothing.

Thanks, Philip, I always knew you were a fair-minded individual.