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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2019, 07:24:51 AM »
Interesting how people, leftists, seem to view a tax break as a subsidy. A tax break is someone not taking from you. A subsidy is someone giving to you. There’s a difference.

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2019, 07:26:35 AM »
Screw Bezos...NY was going to pay 3 billion dollars to a Man who is worth 90 billion.
Let him pay for his own dam project.

No, they weren't going to pay Amazon anything.

The $3 billion is money in the future that Amazon would not pay to NY.

The $3 billion doesn't exist.  NY never had it to start with.

The only "loss" would result if NY could have gotten another business instead of Amazon who would be willing to pay the $3 billion.

Now NY will not get the 25,000 jobs and the resulting income taxes, sales taxes and real estate taxes from the employees who hold those jobs, spend their money in NY and own homes in NY.

The genius politicians don't have the IQ to understand it.


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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2019, 07:28:37 AM »
https://www.foxbusiness.com/business-leaders/amazon-pulls-out-of-nyc-headquarter


It's not a deal when you have to pay Amazons tax obligations to the tune of 3 billion dollars.

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2019, 07:32:19 AM »

It's not a deal when you have to pay Amazons tax obligations to the tune of 3 billion dollars.



See above.

The taxes never existed and NY never had the money to begin with.  You can't lose what you never had.

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2019, 07:50:02 AM »
By Chris Ciaccia | Fox News

Amazon blasts Ocasio-Cortez, says 'we don't want to work in this environment in the long term'

The fallout from Amazon's decision to walk away from its planned headquarters in New York is ratcheting up after a company spokesman publicly blasted Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and other lawmakers, saying they had made it a hostile environment to do business.

"If you talk to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, it's 'Never Amazon,'" Jodi Seth, the head of policy communications for Amazon, told NBC News in an interview on Thursday. "If you talk to [New York City Councilman Jimmy] Van Bramer, it's unions."

Seth added that "it wasn't any one incident" that drove the Seattle-based tech giant to its decision, adding that the virulent political discourse that occurred over the past three months was what led to the decision. "It was that the environment over the course of the past three months had not got any better. There were some local and state elected officials who refused to meet with Amazon and criticized us day in and day out about the plan," she said in the interview.

COUMO SLAMS OCASIO-CORTEZ, OTHERS, AS AMAZON DITCHES NEW YORK



In a fiery statement on Thursday, Cuomo blamed the shocking decision on socialist democratic darling Ocasio-Cortez and others like her.

Cuomo:
"[A] small group [of] politicians put their own narrow political interests above their community – which poll after poll showed overwhelmingly supported bringing Amazon to Long Island City – the state's economic future and the best interests of the people of this state," Cuomo said publicly. "The New York State Senate has done tremendous damage. They should be held accountable for this lost economic opportunity."


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Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world.


https://www.foxnews.com/tech/amazon-blasts-ocasio-cortez-says-we-dont-want-to-work-in-this-environment-in-the-long-term

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #55 on: February 15, 2019, 08:25:14 AM »


New Yorkers can finally learn to forage!

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #56 on: February 15, 2019, 09:20:54 AM »
I'm really baffled by NYers lack of ability to see the big picture or understand how "giving up" something can actually get them a lot more?  According to AOC NY contains the brightest and most talented people in the nation.

Some of the most common sayings I've heard in my life are :

-Sometimes you've got to give a little to get a little
-You get back what you put out
-Give freely to others, because it will always come back to you
-Do unto others as you would have them do to you

All of these sayings have been great reminders of how to live life, and they've turned out to be dead on almost every time I've practiced them.

The area I live is made up of a lot of smaller cities that are on the outskirts of the biggest city.  For some reason though, when people in those cities talk about where they're from when asked, they always refer to the "big" city.  It's stupid, because the "big" city has progressively gotten worse.  All of the great stuff is happening in the cities/towns on the outskirts.

Prime example as it relates to this issue wit NY and Amazon.  A small city (just over 17K est. 2017) here that had an old small business district that stretched 1/2 mile had become obsolete, and the neighboring town started attracting all of the new business/housing development.  The newer town exploded and looks nothing like it did just 20 years ago.   The older city had a shitload of undeveloped land, and farm land no longer being farmed.  They gave an enormous tax break to a huge company to come there.  Everyone (even the big city) got riled up about it, and said how stupid it was...the residents will suffer....the city will go broke.  Within a year of that business being up and running very nice homes started being built.....oddly enough those homes popped up along the street(which used to be a gravel road) that lead directly to where you make a left turn into that company's gigantic employee parking lot.  

Another few years go by, and the city does the same thing for another very large corporation.  There's a number of upset people people again, but now people are pointing to what happened as a result from the first company.  Deal gets done.  More very nice homes are built...in fact multiple neighborhoods... were talking homes 2500-4000 sq feet avgerage.  Fast forward to now, and that old business district that was abandoned was bulldozed.  An entirely new business district is about 1/3 complete with a lake, high end condos, and a whole new multi level business complex (it was single level before) and the space is accounted for as or before it's being built.  Old townhome apartments that were run down and rented for for around $650 by white trash with crap all over the property, have been renovated into luxury townhomes renting for over $1200 and the property is well-maintained and looks great.  When the project is complete in 2-3 years it is going to look like entirely different place....it already does there's just a lot of steel still showing.  The population has doubled since the 90's, the budget is balanced, new homes are still going up, parks have been updated, a huge recreation area with lake and paved walking trails was made, and the population will likely double again in 5 years.  

So are tax breaks for corps worth it?  From what I've seen with my own eyes, the answer is a HELL YEAH!

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #57 on: February 15, 2019, 09:24:21 AM »
By Chris Ciaccia | Fox News

Amazon blasts Ocasio-Cortez, says 'we don't want to work in this environment in the long term'

The fallout from Amazon's decision to walk away from its planned headquarters in New York is ratcheting up after a company spokesman publicly blasted Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and other lawmakers, saying they had made it a hostile environment to do business.

"If you talk to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, it's 'Never Amazon,'" Jodi Seth, the head of policy communications for Amazon, told NBC News in an interview on Thursday. "If you talk to [New York City Councilman Jimmy] Van Bramer, it's unions."

Seth added that "it wasn't any one incident" that drove the Seattle-based tech giant to its decision, adding that the virulent political discourse that occurred over the past three months was what led to the decision. "It was that the environment over the course of the past three months had not got any better. There were some local and state elected officials who refused to meet with Amazon and criticized us day in and day out about the plan," she said in the interview.

COUMO SLAMS OCASIO-CORTEZ, OTHERS, AS AMAZON DITCHES NEW YORK



In a fiery statement on Thursday, Cuomo blamed the shocking decision on socialist democratic darling Ocasio-Cortez and others like her.

Cuomo:
"[A] small group [of] politicians put their own narrow political interests above their community – which poll after poll showed overwhelmingly supported bringing Amazon to Long Island City – the state's economic future and the best interests of the people of this state," Cuomo said publicly. "The New York State Senate has done tremendous damage. They should be held accountable for this lost economic opportunity."


Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC

Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world.


https://www.foxnews.com/tech/amazon-blasts-ocasio-cortez-says-we-dont-want-to-work-in-this-environment-in-the-long-term

It's interesting how I've seen a bunch of articles blaming Coumo, and now Coumo and NY officials are blaming AOC (while MSM is calling this her first victory)  ???

The nations best and brightest (per AOC) seem very confused about each other, and their city.


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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2019, 09:26:03 AM »
The excuse the Pols in that area, AOC, included gave is that the high-paying jobs would push up housing prices and increase gentrification. In other words, the neighborhood would get better and would attract people who might not vote for the current group of politicians. At the end of the day, it was really about the “greed” of the local politicians who were afraid for their futures.

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #59 on: February 15, 2019, 10:41:07 AM »
See above.

The taxes never existed and NY never had the money to begin with.  You can't lose what you never had.
You're wasting your time trying to tell these guys the facts when AOC herself doesn't realize what just happened.  These libs truly are clueless.

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #60 on: February 15, 2019, 11:32:56 AM »
The excuse the Pols in that area, AOC, included gave is that the high-paying jobs would push up housing prices and increase gentrification. In other words, the neighborhood would get better and would attract people who might not vote for the current group of politicians. At the end of the day, it was really about the “greed” of the local politicians who were afraid for their futures.

I knew this was behind it.  The last thing that women needs is people with IQ's over 80 and well paying jobs moving into her district because they would see her for the fraud she is.

Is all New York city politics like this?

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #61 on: February 15, 2019, 11:43:31 AM »
I knew this was behind it.  The last thing that women needs is people with IQ's over 80 and well paying jobs moving into her district because they would see her for the fraud she is.

Is all New York city politics like this?

I wouldn’t restrict it to New York City. Politics is a pretty scummy game all around. It’s exactly why the idea of taking more and more resources out of the private sector and putting into the hands of people like that is a prescription for disaster.

Here’s an example of a city that has been taken over by AOC’s “Constituents.”


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford,_Connecticut

The racial makeup of the city was 29.8% white, 38.7% African American or black, 0.6% Native American, 2.8% Asian, 0% Pacific Islander, 23.9% from other races, and 4.2% from two or more races. 43.4% of the population were Hispanic or Latino, chiefly of Puerto Rican origin.[68] Whites not of Latino backgroundwere 15.8% of the population in 2010,[69] down from 63.9% in 1970.[70]

Hartford is America’s 17th Most Dangerous City – Hartford Stats

http://hartfordstats.com/hartford-is-americas-17th-most-dangerous-city/

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #62 on: February 15, 2019, 12:03:39 PM »
I wouldn’t restrict it to New York City. Politics is a pretty scummy game all around. It’s exactly why the idea of taking more and more resources out of the private sector and putting into the hands of people like that is a prescription for disaster.

Here’s an example of a city that has been taken over by AOC’s “Constituents.”


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford,_Connecticut

The racial makeup of the city was 29.8% white, 38.7% African American or black, 0.6% Native American, 2.8% Asian, 0% Pacific Islander, 23.9% from other races, and 4.2% from two or more races. 43.4% of the population were Hispanic or Latino, chiefly of Puerto Rican origin.[68] Whites not of Latino backgroundwere 15.8% of the population in 2010,[69] down from 63.9% in 1970.[70]

Hartford is America’s 17th Most Dangerous City – Hartford Stats

http://hartfordstats.com/hartford-is-americas-17th-most-dangerous-city/

I can't envision a politician in any other city trying to drive out 25,000 jobs and seeing it as a victory when it happens.  In the rest of the country gentrification isn't something that's discussed or fought over mainly because nobody wants to live in the ghetto.  This issue seems more unique to New York because so many people want to live there and the rents are so high.

I understand your point about politics being scummy all around.  I just think it's more scummy in the larger cities like New York and Chicago.

I live in the suburbs of a city with AOC type politicians, so I'm learning how it works.



 

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #63 on: February 15, 2019, 12:18:44 PM »
so AOC only wants high paying blue collar jobs? Suitable for people in the 80-90 IQ range...


The funny thing about this chart is the only country whose IQ increased is the one that was invaded and re-gained control by the U.S.

It only went up a point though.  We're certainly sending our bravest, but.....

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #64 on: February 15, 2019, 12:21:40 PM »
The excuse the Pols in that area, AOC, included gave is that the high-paying jobs would push up housing prices and increase gentrification. In other words, the neighborhood would get better and would attract people who might not vote for the current group of politicians. At the end of the day, it was really about the “greed” of the local politicians who were afraid for their futures.

Heaven forbid.. :-\

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #65 on: February 15, 2019, 12:23:25 PM »
Heaven forbid.. :-\
Don't forget the democrats need a permanent underclass of voters so they can sell their victim mentality and stay in power.

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #66 on: February 15, 2019, 01:24:42 PM »
I can't envision a politician in any other city trying to drive out 25,000 jobs and seeing it as a victory when it happens.  In the rest of the country gentrification isn't something that's discussed or fought over mainly because nobody wants to live in the ghetto.  This issue seems more unique to New York because so many people want to live there and the rents are so high.

I understand your point about politics being scummy all around.  I just think it's more scummy in the larger cities like New York and Chicago.

I live in the suburbs of a city with AOC type politicians, so I'm learning how it works.

 

You do scratch your head until you consider the mindset of a socialist. They see a company like Amazon strictly as an exploiter. They don’t consider the value a company like that provides to consumers. Same with Walmart. Who are Walmart customers? Generally lower income people who benefit greatly from the cheap products Walmart sells.

You’re right though. You probably wouldn’t see something of this magnitude happen in many other places. NYC can take the hit because it’s so big.

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #67 on: February 15, 2019, 01:26:00 PM »
Don't forget the democrats need a permanent underclass of voters so they can sell their victim mentality and stay in power.

Excellent post! 

Democrats demand "equality" but only from those they envy. FTN.

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #68 on: February 15, 2019, 06:21:31 PM »
No, they weren't going to pay Amazon anything.

The $3 billion is money in the future that Amazon would not pay to NY.

The $3 billion doesn't exist.  NY never had it to start with.

The only "loss" would result if NY could have gotten another business instead of Amazon who would be willing to pay the $3 billion.

Now NY will not get the 25,000 jobs and the resulting income taxes, sales taxes and real estate taxes from the employees who hold those jobs, spend their money in NY and own homes in NY.



















Wrong dude....The 3 billion was public funds, NOT tax breaks....Through several different programs 3 billion dollars of public funds were going to be given to Amazon...

The genius politicians don't have the IQ to understand it.



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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #69 on: February 15, 2019, 06:25:51 PM »
You're wasting your time trying to tell these guys the facts when AOC herself doesn't realize what just happened.  These libs truly are clueless.






























https://ny.curbed.com/2018/11/16/18098589/amazon-hq2-nyc-queens-long-island-city-explained





Amazon was going to receive 3 billion of public funds, Not including tax breaks......These were monies PAID to Amazon....Google it....

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #70 on: February 15, 2019, 06:54:35 PM »
Cortez: Democrat
NYC Congressional Delegation: Democrats
NY U.S. Senators: Democrats
NYC Mayor: Democrat
NY City Council: Democrats
NY Governor: Democrat
NY Legislature: Democrats
Billionaire owner of Amazon: Democrat

Just waiting for the usual gang on here to blame a Republican!!

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #71 on: February 15, 2019, 08:55:58 PM »
Serious question:

If Amazon wants to help communities, why not move the headquarters to a down trodden state to try and drum up jobs?

NYC will clearly be fine without the Amazon headquarters. There are quite a few states that could probably benefit from the influx of jobs :::shrugs:::

Because that's not the role of business nor is it what they are trying to do. It is to make a profit. Some consider that a bad thing. I consider it a good thing because it grows the economy and does help the community with jobs and an increased tax base. 

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #72 on: February 15, 2019, 08:57:18 PM »
I was going to say it’s only a matter of time before the good people of nyc realize they’re being duped by aoc but they are being told that even if they are unwilling to work they will get paid 😂

Ironic that Leftist like Cuomo and de Blasio, were "out Lefted" by AOC and company.

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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #73 on: February 15, 2019, 09:22:34 PM »
Umm, just out of curiosity, isn't Amazon a huge job killer?

Isn't it the same company that puts many small-to-medium sized businesses out to pasture?

As per Trump:

"Trump has talked about changing Amazon’s tax treatment because he’s worried about mom-and-pop retailers being put out of business," reporter Jonathan Swan wrote a few days ago. "Trump's wealthy friends tell him Amazon is destroying their businesses. His real estate buddies tell him — and he agrees — that Amazon is killing shopping malls and brick-and-mortar retailers."

Further along in the article:

Indeed, while it's difficult to find good statistical evidence on the effect of Amazon and other online retailers on small companies, it is easy to see what devastation online shopping has brought to the large national chains. In the first eight months of 2017 alone, just over 6,400 retail chain stores closed their doors. In March, bankrupt Toys R Us began liquidating its 735 stores, and Mattress Firm announced it would close 175 stores, in addition to the 99 it has already closed so far this year.

-Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/robbmandelbaum/2018/03/31/is-amazon-good-or-bad-for-small-business-yes/#596251784467

Also, check out this interesting article: Amazon's growth could threaten these 10 industries

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-is-killing-these-7-companies-2017-7#grocery-stores-7

I think Amazon and companies like it can truly be devastating to small/medium sized businesses. I also think bigger chains have been taking a hit due to Amazon for many years. If you were to average the thousands of jobs the large chain stores  that have closed or are closing (as mentioned in the article above - 6,400 retail chain stores), would that number largely exceed the proposed 25K jobs Amazon was projecting to have available in NYC? In other words, as a nation, is an entity like Amazon causing us more harm than good?

As consumers, we appreciate how convenient it makes it for us to shop by simply logging in, purchasing and receiving a package by the next day, but it certainly fucks up the old brick and mortar businesses.

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No, it's a net gain. Amazon doesn't put anybody out of business per se. It's the customers that do. They say the same thing about Walmart. If the consumers wanted to keep the mom and poppers they would continue to shop there. They don't because they can get a better deal elsewhere. Get more for their money. The business lost to mom and pop is transferred over to the Amazon and Walmart. The money saved is also put back into the economy because people can now buy more creating even more jobs and growing the economy.

People like to use the expression like Amazon or Walmart controls X percentage of the market share. Well, if they raised their prices 20% across the board you will see just how much control they have over the market share and consumer's consumption. They react to the market forces driven by the consumers. Just like any other business.

And to be more precise, it's not just price, but the overall cost to the consumer which includes things like quality, service, convenience. There is a mom and pop store that is just a minute walk from my house which I just came from maybe fifteen minutes ago. Although their prices are higher than Safeway or CVS, they provide one thing to the neighborhood that those larger bigger stores can't offer to use here in the neighborhood -- and that's convenience. I don't want to get in my truck and drive into town just for a Snickers bar, Reese peanut butter cup, Hershey's chocolate bar (one with almonds and one without), and a Milky Way (I'm going through another one of the candy binges). This store, Tang's Market, wouldn't survive a week if they were in town next to the mall. Here, they open from 8:00 am to 11:00 pm and always seem to have customers. It's right on Kamehameha Hwy which is the only main road in my area leading up to the North Shore and a very easy stop for odds and ends including snacks, liquor, and shot drinks. They also are one of the few places left that still has a working public phone making it a convenient hang out for drug dealers who also speed a lot of money on snacks and beer.


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Re: Nice Job NY you just killed off 25k high paying jobs
« Reply #74 on: February 15, 2019, 09:33:12 PM »
As I previously said, the only two places to shop will be Walmart and Amazon.  ??? ???

If that is what the consumers want. The businesses that survive are the businesses that consumers choose to survive. They can pay lip service all they want but what really matters is where they spend their money. So people talk about how it's tragic that Sears and other stores are going out of business but then they go home, log on to their computer and take out their credit card.

These businesses have been failing and disappearing for the last fifteen years. If it was a net loss the retail business would be getting smaller and smaller every year. It's not. It keeps growing and growing. More stuff, both new and old, come into the market every year; and more stuff, both new and old, are bought and sold every year.