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US life expectancy is declining
« on: February 25, 2019, 02:32:36 AM »
Twinkie based diets at one end and Dialysis McKidney lifestyles at the other, while the rise of Obama's son/ Dindu-ism is also taking its toll.


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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2019, 02:36:07 AM »
Will anyone ever beat Japan when it comes to Life Expectancy?
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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2019, 02:41:37 AM »
Glad to see we're not far away from Japan guess spaghetti are our secret  :)
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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2019, 03:11:38 AM »
Will anyone ever beat Japan when it comes to Life Expectancy?
Only if there's another world war.

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2019, 04:46:09 AM »
it is because of steroids

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2019, 05:43:35 AM »
Will anyone ever beat Japan when it comes to Life Expectancy?

Is it really worth living those extra years if seaweed is a big part of your diet?

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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2019, 05:48:41 AM »
Thanks Drumpf

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2019, 05:57:02 AM »
Will anyone ever beat Japan when it comes to Life Expectancy?

The 2011 Fukushima accident will put the kibosh on that.  Many people will develop horrible cancers.  You'll never hear about it on MSM.

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2019, 06:00:37 AM »
Is it really worth living those extra years if seaweed is a big part of your diet?

Exactly, why would anyone want to eat seaweed???

I'd rather have 50-60 years of enjoying what i eat over 100+ years of seaweed lol
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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2019, 06:17:27 AM »
Is it really worth living those extra years if seaweed is a big part of your diet?

You dont like miso soup or nori mats then? I bet you dont shave your balls either.

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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2019, 06:32:23 AM »

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2019, 07:31:46 AM »
Will anyone ever beat Japan when it comes to Life Expectancy?

Yes, just in Italy which is right behind Japan. The people seem miserable about the state of their nation and their economy but they truck along with their good eating and family solidarity and walking everywhere and live longer than anybody else.

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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2019, 07:36:07 AM »
Yes, just in Italy. The people seem miserable about the state of their nation and their economy but they truck along with their good eating and family solidarity and walking everywhere and live longer than anybody else.

Believe me: north and south are two different animals. In the north life, work, hospitals, schools are quite similar to the German model.
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2019, 07:53:26 AM »
Believe me: north and south are two different animals. In the north life, work, hospitals, schools are quite similar to the German model.

The Arab invaders never got north of Rome right?

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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2019, 08:13:10 AM »
Believe me: north and south are two different animals. In the north life, work, hospitals, schools are quite similar to the German model.

Lombards actually were German I believe. But I think the life expectancy statistics are true for BOTH north and south.

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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2019, 08:31:30 AM »
Lombards actually were German I believe. But I think the life expectancy statistics are true for BOTH north and south.

I'm in that area. And yes the way of life and its standards are Germany like.
Concerning life expectancy I believe it's an average between the two (north - south).
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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2019, 08:41:17 AM »
Why isn't Portugal featured there?  :-[

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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2019, 09:01:26 AM »
Infant mortality and the early deaths of the obese & chronically ill drag our life expectancy down.  If you make it to 65, you're likely to make it another 20 years or something like that.

Anyone want to comment on our health expenditures being double or triple that of other countries?

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2019, 09:04:25 AM »
Are there any obese centenarians?

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2019, 09:11:47 AM »
Are there any obese centenarians?

You don't see a lot of 80+-year-olds walking around at 250 lbs (with or without abs).

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2019, 09:13:24 AM »
Infant mortality and the early deaths of the obese & chronically ill drag our life expectancy down.  If you make it to 65, you're likely to make it another 20 years or something like that.

Anyone want to comment on our health expenditures being double or triple that of other countries?

Here is my two cents, lots of various factors:
Profits and over complicated administrative procedures of insurance companies
Fancy hospital construction, all the hospital systems competing with each other for affluent suburban patients
Litigation, we are lawsuit crazy
Obesity and poor eating and no exercise, we go everywhere in our cars
Poverty and associated poor health outcomes and habits in those communities
More procedure response to EVERYTHING, we want to live forever and our doctors go along with it (also because of lawsuit factor above) and television advertising plays a role
Drug prices, we subsidize the whole world. We and our insurers pay top dollars for drugs, while all the other governments around the world force the drug companies to accept lower prices
Addiction, we have a worse problem than others
Our doctors make more money than other doctors around the world, mainly specialists
Fraud: people in the US are more likely to fraudulently game the system (more than in other nations) and the government bureaucracies and, to some extent, insurers are not effective in combatting fraud.

But keep in mind that most of the world’s advances in medical care come out of the US. So a final factor, more altruistic, is that our consumers and insurers are subsidizing world wide R&D big time.

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2019, 09:33:56 AM »
You dont like miso soup or nori mats then? I bet you dont shave your balls either.

I like Japanese culture but not so much the food. Miso soup sucks.  Japanese desserts are the drizzling shits. Sushi just doesn’t fill me up.

And yes I do shave my balls, thoroughly. 💈

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2019, 10:02:00 AM »
Here is my two cents, lots of various factors:
Profits and over complicated administrative procedures of insurance companies
Fancy hospital construction, all the hospital systems competing with each other for affluent suburban patients
Litigation, we are lawsuit crazy
Obesity and poor eating and no exercise, we go everywhere in our cars
Poverty and associated poor health outcomes and habits in those communities
More procedure response to EVERYTHING, we want to live forever and our doctors go along with it (also because of lawsuit factor above) and television advertising plays a role
Drug prices, we subsidize the whole world. We and our insurers pay top dollars for drugs, while all the other governments around the world force the drug companies to accept lower prices
Addiction, we have a worse problem than others
Our doctors make more money than other doctors around the world, mainly specialists

But keep in mind that most of the world’s advances in medical care come out of the US. So a final factor, more altruistic, is that our consumers and insurers are subsidizing world wide R&D big time.

Excellent response, I mostly agree.  One thing you missed (in my opinion) is the massive bureaucratic headache that all of the different insurance companies pose to billing departments.  Every company has a different way of billing & coding healthcare expenditures and that takes a lot of time & money to manage.  Some estimates say this comprises as much as 1/3 of our healthcare expenditures. 

Having a universal healthcare system would of course eliminate much of that overhead  8)  ... but that's a different conversation.

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2019, 10:15:18 AM »
Excellent response, I mostly agree.  One thing you missed (in my opinion) is the massive bureaucratic headache that all of the different insurance companies pose to billing departments.  Every company has a different way of billing & coding healthcare expenditures and that takes a lot of time & money to manage.  Some estimates say this comprises as much as 1/3 of our healthcare expenditures. 

Having a universal healthcare system would of course eliminate much of that overhead  8)  ... but that's a different conversation.

Insurance companies are an interesting part of the discussion. The interesting fact here is that, even if we go to universal health care (e.g., Medicare for All), insurance companies will still be in the picture, but simply in another way. This is because American government entities tend to “outsource” to outside experts (even things like parking and prisons and intelligence, and some aspects of war). State Medicaid programs mostly farm the business out to private insurance companies. And nearly one third of Medicare beneficiaries are in private Medicare Advantage plans. I go back and forth on whether Medicare for All is a good idea or not. Medicare works pretty well, but Medicaid is more iffy. Not sure what we would end up with.

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Re: US life expectancy is declining
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2019, 12:08:31 PM »
Will anyone ever beat Japan when it comes to Life Expectancy?

maybe when americans learn to stay at a healthy body weight like they do

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