Visited the HRT clinic today

[cephissus]

Age: 32
Serum test: 480 ng/dl
Free test: 7.71 ng/dl (ml? not sure)

The doctor thought I was too young for TRT and prescribed some stuff to raise endogenous test:

DHEA: 10mg ED
Clomid: 25mg ED
HCG: 500 IU 2x/wk

It's $180/month -- I think straight test was $99/month at this place.

I think the "standard" reference range he showed me was 200-900 but his preferred range is 700-1200. I told him I came in for shitty mood (mood swings, depression) and exercise (weak muscle sensation, pumps), which is true, but since I'm already nearly 500 I'm not sure how much bumping it up would do.

But od course I want real expert opinion, so I'm here to ask what getbig thinks!

[kreator]

You need to get your shit together first.

[Henda]

Fuck paying double for that shite when test is more effective and half the price

[ratherbebig]

no humping and no pumping eh

[Prudence]

Test cypionate 250mg/ml is less than 50 bucks when u go the UGL route.

It's not like your buying Primo and getting God knows what. It's Test--any halfway decent lab would never fake that. The raws are too basic and inexpensive to procure.
And HCG 5000 IU amp is prob about 40 bucks.
Dunno about DHEA tho

[LittleJ]

Be careful with the dhea. Dont go overboard. I like it better than proviron. Your cock will be very happy. You can buy dhea on Amazon for pennies. Make sure you get the sublingual kind.

[chaos]

Be careful with the dhea. Dont go overboard. I like it better than proviron. Your cock will be very happy. You can buy dhea on Amazon for pennies. Make sure you get the sublingual kind.

Hmmm, who would've thought LittleracistJ would be a drug addict? Typical.

[LurkerNoMore]

Age: 32
Serum test: 480 ng/dl
Free test: 7.71 ng/dl (ml? not sure)

The doctor thought I was too young for TRT and prescribed some stuff to raise endogenous test:

DHEA: 10mg ED
Clomid: 25mg ED
HCG: 500 IU 2x/wk

You gonna get bitch tits and be a weepy pussy boy now.

[illuminati]

Hmmm, who would've thought LittleracistJ would be a drug addict? Typical.

True - He only buys from Black Dealers Though 😂😂😂

[LittleJ]

Hmmm, who would've thought LittleracistJ would be a drug addict? Typical.

Yes using dhea made me into a drug addict

[myt1]

Test cypionate 250mg/ml is less than 50 bucks when u go the UGL route.

It's not like your buying Primo and getting God knows what. It's Test--any halfway decent lab would never fake that. The raws are too basic and inexpensive to procure.
And HCG 5000 IU amp is prob about 40 bucks.
Dunno about DHEA tho

Fuck UG shit.  You're right about the content as far as materials and cost, but who the hell knows how or where it was brewed?

OP take your blood work to another TRT clinic or best case to a regular dr. that someone from your gym recommends.  These TRT clinics that prescribe based on a "plan", "level", "tier", "membership" are mostly all bullshit and walking a fine line legality wise.  There's a popular one in FL that does telemed that I can not find an actual medical doctor's license or even legit medical article or news story about.  He's just got a phd. and is a past wife beater.....that's the news story I could find.  Seems on the up and up right?

You fucked yourself by mentioning muscle pumps or however you worded it.  You're being put on that shit to see if your natural test comes back.  If you were trying to game the system post cycle.....you lost.

[falco]

I believe you are too young for TRT. Your body can still recover from whatever you have done in the past.

[oldtimer1]

Clomid is used for men to raise their sperm count when infertility is a problem. It's used for a brief time. Studies found it increases brain cancer.  Doc had me on it and it works amazing to raise testosterone. He was part of a urology practice. When I saw another doctor in the practice he was furious he prescribed it and told me about increased risk of brain cancer.  Next time I went to schedule an appointment with the original doctor he was gone from the practice. I miss clomid. For me it was a drastic increase.

[illuminati]

Clomid is used for men to raise their sperm count when infertility is a problem. It's used for a brief time. Studies found it increases brain cancer.  Doc had me on it and it works amazing to raise testosterone. He was part of a urology practice. When I saw another doctor in the practice he was furious he prescribed it and told me about increased risk of brain cancer.  Next time I went to schedule an appointment with the original doctor he was gone from the practice. I miss clomid. For me it was a drastic increase.

Typical GetBigger All Drugs 😂😂😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

It don’t do much for Me - Sustanon & Enathate Work for Me.
Yep I’m All Drugs. 😂👍🏻

[XFACTOR]

Clomid is used for men to raise their sperm count when infertility is a problem. It's used for a brief time. Studies found it increases brain cancer.  Doc had me on it and it works amazing to raise testosterone. He was part of a urology practice. When I saw another doctor in the practice he was furious he prescribed it and told me about increased risk of brain cancer.  Next time I went to schedule an appointment with the original doctor he was gone from the practice. I miss clomid. For me it was a drastic increase.

Be careful with this advise. You’ll knock up every girl you touch.

[LittleJ]

Please throw the clomid in the trash

[Powerlift66]

Please throw the clomid in the trash

I've known people prescribed clomid, worked a little, but felt like absolute shite. Not worth it.

[cephissus]

What about the test level? Is 500 to let's say 1000 a big difference

[LurkerNoMore]

One shot of Test Cyp every 7 days will bring your levels to over 1200.

[myt1]

What about the test level? Is 500 to let's say 1000 a big difference

So I mentioned the protocol I was on, and how it's progressed to where I'm at now in the Italian Lifter's over 40 thread.  Quick recap (all Test E and I'm just going off memory) 200mg/wkly = 987, felt decent.  400mg/bi-weekly = 646, mood all over the place and felt like shit for all but 3-5 days out of 14.  Current as of 12-31-18 300mg/wkly = 1348, cha-muthafuckin-ching!  Have several health issues I've been dealing with for 2 decades that are not juice related in any way, but I feel the best I've felt in 10+ years and that has been getting more improved since feb.

I want to post my bloodwork, but I don't know how.  I keep everything in spreadsheets, and use "economic" formula for percent change in value.  My dr. was alarmed by my test level, and told me when we switched to 300 he was comfortable at 1200 total test.  When his nurse called to set me up to come in and go over she said he was not happy about my RBC either.  I put the spreadsheet together, and went in ready to fight.  I said I know you want to talk about my test levels, but I want you to look at these things first because I'm even in shock.  ALL of my cholesterol levels were high, high risk, or very high risk (except HDL is low)......they always have been on or off.  

Between my last bloodwork in december at 400/bi-weekly and bloodwork two weeks ago at 300/wkly ELEVEN things got better.  Every cholesterol and my tri's are all normal (except HDL went from 38 to 36....I attribute that to adding in Anastrozole, and he agreed.  My RBC that he was concerned about actually went down .5.   Here's the kicker.....Not only did I not train from 2-9 through 3-9 (except for 2x weights and 2x cardio), from the super bowl til then I ate like complete fucking shit.  I said "this is crazy, it goes against everything even I believed from my reading...can you please explain this?"  He said, "I have no clue.  That makes no sense at all, and goes against everything I was taught in med school about steroids" (He's a gp, not an endo or trt specialist)  He then said, "so I guess you just want to stay where you're at?"  I smiled, and said "yes please"

So the short answer to your question is that research shows that no real trt benefits begin until at least 800ngs/dl is reached.  What my results show FOR ME, is that there is an insane difference between 987 and 1348.....and I got healthier.

Question to all.....does anyone know a reputable national chain/research company that pays for blood donations?  If I'm going to go get vampired every 3 months, I might as well get a free dinner or two out of it?

[falco]

Scariest thing about unmonitorized TRT is the gradual blood thickening and all the imbalances in health that come with it.

[cephissus]

Thanks myt1, really interesting! What was your test before going on any protocol? How did you feel at your "natural level"?

[Griffith]

I've known people prescribed clomid, worked a little, but felt like absolute shite. Not worth it.

Would Nolvadex be better?

[Griffith]

You gonna get bitch tits and be a weepy pussy boy now.

From the HCG alone?

[Primemuscle]

Age: 32
Serum test: 480 ng/dl
Free test: 7.71 ng/dl (ml? not sure)

The doctor thought I was too young for TRT and prescribed some stuff to raise endogenous test:

DHEA: 10mg ED
Clomid: 25mg ED
HCG: 500 IU 2x/wk

It's $180/month -- I think straight test was $99/month at this place.

I think the "standard" reference range he showed me was 200-900 but his preferred range is 700-1200. I told him I came in for shitty mood (mood swings, depression) and exercise (weak muscle sensation, pumps), which is true, but since I'm already nearly 500 I'm not sure how much bumping it up would do.

But od course I want real expert opinion, so I'm here to ask what getbig thinks!

The cost you quoted for both TRT and doctor prescribed supplements seems very high. A scale of 700 - 1200 is a better choice. Most recommendations for test levels are too low, IMO.

Supplements have side effects too, but they are likely to be less intense. The effectiveness of Clomid on men is debatable. It is not FDA approved for use in men. DHEA and HCG can be purchased online and are not expensive. Check out ReliableRXPharmacy, https://www.reliablerxpharmacy.com/hcg.html. I've bought from them for years with no problems. If you go the TRT route and have health insurance which covers testosterone, it isn't expensive. My co-pay is around $50. for a 10ML, 200 MG per ML vial, which lasts me three months. Syringes are inexpensive. Some pharmacies require a prescription for them, some don't. Mine doesn't.