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Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« on: April 09, 2019, 01:38:34 PM »
Hmmm what happened to people’s spirits before god sent Jesus 2000 yrs ago.
And Why did god wait so long after Man was on the earth to send Jesus ?
Would’ve made more sense for him to be here from Day 1 to teach & guide.


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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2019, 01:52:16 PM »
Hmmm what happened to people’s spirits before god sent Jesus 2000 yrs ago.
And Why did god wait so long after Man was on the earth to send Jesus ?
Would’ve made more sense for him to be here from Day 1 to teach & guide.



Before Jesus, People went to a place known as Abraham’s bosom (Bosom of Abraham).

When Jesus was crucified, he went to Abraham’s bosom and led them out.. and they went to heaven from there.

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2019, 01:55:08 PM »
Before Jesus, People went to a place known as Abraham’s bosom.

When Jesus was crucified, he went to Abraham’s bosom and led them out.. and they went to heaven from there.

Ahhh maybe only those that knew of Abraham’s Tit
What about those that didn’t.

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2019, 01:55:55 PM »
Before Jesus, God sent prophets*...  and people had the choice to listen or rebel.


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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2019, 01:56:56 PM »
Ahhh maybe only those that knew of Abraham’s Tit
What about those that didn’t.

There was a place of suffering too. Often referred to as “Sheol”

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2019, 02:02:29 PM »
Before Jesus, God sent profits... and people had the choice to listen or rebel.



I try my best to make as much Profits as possible  ;D

Where & to who did he send these Prophets - The Vikings ? Stone Age man ?
Abbos ?  Mayans ? Incas ?

Would still of been better for Jesus to be here from Day 1 when there were just a handful
Of Humans - He could of set the path to Righteousness from the Very Beginning.
None of this play catch up Nonsense.

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2019, 02:03:13 PM »
I try my best to make as much Profits as possible  ;D

Where & to who did he send these Prophets - The Vikings ? Stone Age man ?
Abbos ?  Mayans ? Incas ?

Would still of been better for Jesus to be here from Day 1 when there were just a handful
Of Humans - He could of set the path to Righteousness from the Very Beginning.
None of this play catch up Nonsense.

HaHa sorry for the typo! I will correct it.

Prophets sent from the God the Father

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2019, 02:04:21 PM »
Before Jesus, there were Norse Gods, Egyptian Gods, Greek Gods, Caliber Fitness Deities, The God of Profit etc
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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2019, 02:04:41 PM »
HaHa sorry for the typo! I will correct it.

No need - I make plenty  ;D
No offense intended.

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2019, 02:06:20 PM »
Before Jesus, there were Norse Gods, Egyptian Gods, Greek Gods, Caliber Fitness Deities, The God of Profit etc

Well maybe one of those is The Real God & Only God  ::)

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2019, 02:06:27 PM »
No need - I make plenty  ;D
No offense intended.

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2019, 02:29:46 PM »
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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2019, 02:36:08 PM »
In book of gods, 'only' 3200 gods 'existed'  ;D

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2019, 02:55:24 PM »
Hell consisted of having to wear a bunny suit for all eternity.
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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2019, 03:45:21 PM »
In book of gods, 'only' 3200 gods 'existed'  ;D

ONLY 3200 !!!

And millions still believe & Argue & Kill each other over God & Religion  ::)
So much for the advancement of Human intellect. 

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2019, 03:52:32 PM »
Usually these sorts of questions, if they are sincere, are rooted in a sense of injustice about the idea that only those who believe in Jesus will be saved. And if this was strictly literally true, such that no one could be saved unless they had explicit knowledge of Jesus, then there would be an element of inequity there to be concerned about.

However, when Jesus talks about people being damned for not believing in Him, what He has in mind is not the damnation of those who have never heard of Him, but the damnation of those who have heard of Him, and who understand who He is, and yet still refuse to believe.

Those who have never heard of Jesus are judged based on how they respond to what they do know about God (as opposed to what they don't know).

Fundamentally, salvation (Heaven or Hell), is a matter of opening up one's heart, in humility, to truth, life, and goodness.

Those who open their hearts up in such manner are, by that action, actually opening themselves up to Christ, whether they know it or not, since Christ is the source of all humility, all truth, all life, and all goodness.

Now this doesn't mean its irrelevant whether you believe in Christ or not, but it does mean that those who never heard of Him are not by that fact necessarily damned.

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2019, 04:00:52 PM »
Usually these sorts of questions, if they are sincere, are rooted in a sense of injustice about the idea that only those who believe in Jesus will be saved. And if this was strictly literally true, such that no one could be saved unless they had explicit knowledge of Jesus, then there would be an element of inequity there to be concerned about.

However, when Jesus talks about people being damned for not believing in Him, what He has in mind is not the damnation of those who have never heard of Him, but the damnation of those who have heard of Him, and who understand who He is, and yet still refuse to believe.

Those who have never heard of Jesus are judged based on how they respond to what they do know about God (as opposed to what they don't know).

Fundamentally, salvation (Heaven or Hell), is a matter of opening up one's heart, in humility, to truth, life, and goodness.

Those who open their hearts up in such manner are, by that action, actually opening themselves up to Christ, whether they know it or not, since Christ is the source of all humility, all truth, all life, and all goodness.

Now this doesn't mean its irrelevant whether you believe in Christ or not, but it does mean that those who never heard of Him are not by that fact necessarily damned.

Great post

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2019, 04:04:35 PM »
Usually these sorts of questions, if they are sincere, are rooted in a sense of injustice about the idea that only those who believe in Jesus will be saved. And if this was strictly literally true, such that no one could be saved unless they had explicit knowledge of Jesus, then there would be an element of inequity there to be concerned about.

However, when Jesus talks about people being damned for not believing in Him, what He has in mind is not the damnation of those who have never heard of Him, but the damnation of those who have heard of Him, and who understand who He is, and yet still refuse to believe.

Those who have never heard of Jesus are judged based on how they respond to what they do know about God (as opposed to what they don't know).

Fundamentally, salvation (Heaven or Hell), is a matter of opening up one's heart, in humility, to truth, life, and goodness.

Those who open their hearts up in such manner are, by that action, actually opening themselves up to Christ, whether they know it or not, since Christ is the source of all humility, all truth, all life, and all goodness.

Now this doesn't mean its irrelevant whether you believe in Christ or not, but it does mean that those who never heard of Him are not by that fact necessarily damned.

Clap trap - what are you on about.

Do animals go to heaven & hell or do they not have souls / spirits

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2019, 04:26:54 PM »
There is no heaven or hell.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2019, 05:16:02 PM »
Aussie Aboriginals god was Vanjina (!?), then in 1788 British god of BEER arrived & ........... ;D



(regarding to Erich von Danikan, Vanjina was E.T. ,  ::))

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2019, 06:28:55 PM »
The Jews and Muslims believe Jesus was not the Redeemer.

They are still waiting.

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2019, 06:30:35 PM »
The Jews and Muslims believe Jesus was not the Redeemer.

They are still waiting.

Not sure that is accurate as pertains to the Muslims.  Pretty sure he is/was the messiah to them.  They, like Christians are awaiting his return.

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2019, 06:40:56 PM »
ONLY 3200 !!!

And millions still believe & Argue & Kill each other over God & Religion  ::)
So much for the advancement of Human intellect. 

There are many "gods" but only one creator.

People kill one another over shoes.

And political differences.

And you're asking why they cant get along?

Theres still people in America claiming Trump isnt their President, even though he won the election.

People argue, fight, kill and war.  For any reason they want.

What you should do is provide scientific evidence God doesn't exist. Really teach everyone how foolish they are.  It should be fairly simple.

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2019, 06:53:27 PM »
Not sure that is accurate as pertains to the Muslims.  Pretty sure he is/was the messiah to them.  They, like Christians are awaiting his return.

Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet. But they dont recognize him as the messiah.

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Re: Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2019, 07:48:01 PM »
Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet. But they dont recognize him as the messiah.

In Islam, ʿĪsā ibn Maryam (Arabic: عيسى بن مريم‎, lit. 'Jesus, son of Mary'), or Jesus, is understood to be the penultimate prophet and messenger of God (Allah) and al-Masih, the Arabic term for Messiah (Christ),