DMT experience

[Straw Man]

So about 15 years ago I had the opportunity to try DMT but unfortunately wasnt given enough to have any kind of meaningful experience.

Recently I acquired a couple of grams and tried it again using a vape pen.

Anyone that's tried DMT can attest to it's incredible effect.

The sensations hit about 30 seconds after vaping for me and starts with the feeling of slow motion and heaviness, similar to being put under an anesthetic. Your vision starts to form traces where images seem to double  up or triple.

It almost becomes impossible to take any more hits and eventually you cant do anything but lie down. At this point the incredible, vibrant fractal geometry starts behind your eyelids. A growing audible sine wave sound starts in the  back of your head and gets louder and louder until it's almost deafening but without pain. It drowns out any outside sounds. The visuals are truly incredible and there are no words to describe them in the english language.

Its starts to seem as though your mind is being cut off from the rest of the world and although you can't feel your body, you still feel whole.

My breathing seemed to slow down to the point where I felt like I stopped inhaling and exhaling.

Flashes of white intense light filled my line of sight and the feeling of blasting through time and space overwhelm every sense. It is the most beautiful yet terrifying feeling I have ever felt. Eventually all fear melted away and I felt like I was in a place where I only knew peace and love. I was thankful for its humbling nature. It was actually very emotional and a profound experience.

All in all it lasts about 5 minutes but feels like an eternity.

Some people have amazing breakthrough experiences on DMT that are wild to listen to.

I'm curious to try it again but apprehensive at the same time as the  fear of the unknown prevails.

Anyone else have any experience with this?

I've never tried it but I've read about it

Did you see the machine elves?

[Notomorrow]

DMT is a potent psychedelic though, you may have gotten weak shit or the harmala alkaloids were shit or something.

The whole point is to realize you are not a self in toto, that you are simultaneously the one and many and neither alone. Non-duality is an experience that comes about when you dissolve, the concept of "I" that is, which is a mere illusion.

Yes, and you will be thoroughly convinced of all this for hours before the ceremony. Power of suggestion is ENORMOUS, and anyone who travels like me, is uncomfortable, sits through all the mumbo jumbo,etc is by definition HIGHLY motivated that this stuff "dissolves the I" etc.  Bottom line is after the thing was finallized, 15 hours....the shaman had everyone go around in a circle and EVERYONE(except me) had a life changing, AMAZING experience, everyone was vomiting and all said the same shit...it was like I was fractured inside, like I died and was reborn...everyone but me..so it wasn't wattered down anytning and I demanded a second dose. No medicine affects every single person in the same way..or even works 100% for every single person unless they REALLY want and need it to work. You'll see jumping, visions and hallucinations at fervent religious ceremonies with NO drugs, if the people are suggestible enough. What I also noticed was as people went around sharing their trip, each trip got progressively greater as group suggestion came in. The 1st sharer said "I was really sick and throwing up, but made some breakthroughs"...by the last speaker it was life changing..oh my god....I'm reborn...I saw the entire Universe in front of me...

I didn't get watered down anything as every single other participant..there were over 20..said the same damn thing and had a "breakthough"..sobbing crying... I just had my natural skepticism even though i paid money and time for this. I wanted it to work. But seriously, there were over 20 dupes...not ONE fucking person other than me didn't get much or just got sick? This is some cult, group think..and the shamans know it. This one big ass Mexican shaman with no neck was really pissed at me because I was just sitting bored watching people wretch and he kept telling me to sit up...have my head pointed at God..wouldn't even let me just take a nap(sleep deprivation is a big part of this)...and he was shooting me a look like "You better play along gringo".....

Group think....You'll rarely find someone with these kind of "breakthroughs and loss of ego" that didn't go through the "ceremony".

[Notomorrow]

good post - thank you

read it 3x times


real quck:
1. how much was this event?
2. Ayhuasca ceremony where was it located?
3. did you use google to find it?

not for me, just checking

I would like to try DMT at the right time in my life - I like edibles but keep those within range.

i do feel must ppl use edibles wrong - they use them daily or weekly. edibles are best consumed every blue moon (months if not years apart) to really get that feel.

chasing the dragon is a bitch

The event was $1500 pesos or $80. It was in Guadalajara, Mexico where I have lived on and off for years in between Los Angeles and train at Romanos gym when I'm here(best bodybuilder gym ever)....I'm happy to pass on info but you will have to speak FLUENT spanish or you'll be lost..I speak fluently with all my years here..all the instructions, etc..and when you start they go around a circle and every person has to say out loud their "proposito" or what they are looking for(in spanish) then after what they experienced.

Beware though...at the beginning everyone has to raise their hand and agree to the rules, one of which is no one can leave during the ceremony. I thought this meant like you can't interrupt and go outide for a smoke when people are chanting...no..they lock this fucking compound for 15 hours....you CANNOT LEAVE

And its really intimidating..I kept thinking "Fuck this, it didn't work, leave" but you can't...and when I tried to sleep through it...one big ass mexican shaman woke me up and said "You sit up, you must stay awake".....they have songs that chant Ay-ha-uas-ca to a drum....over and over for hours..its a cult

I was kidnapped...beware...the y smell yuppie money and these authentic retreats will become much more frequent and much more expensive REAL soon.

If you want anything more specific, please don't post about it here.

[Bindare_Dundat]

I've never tried it but I've read about it

Did you see the machine elves?

No, I didnt see any jesters or elves,etc...

I dont expect to have the same encounter as others going into this, since our lifes experiences are all different and I think that plays a lot into what you'll experience in a DMT induced state.

I didnt decide to try DMT again for the sake of "tripping", it was in hope of some insight into my life that is impossible to do without taking it..

It definitely did that.

[Bindare_Dundat]

I just got home from the Ayhuasca ceremony in Mexico, traditional shamans, whole bit. Vaping sounds amazing, but have to be honest this whole ordeal was BULLSHIT. Its mass hallucination. It's fucking 15 hours of chanting and drum beating and shit, bunch of hocus pocus. First off,  it was a retreat and mostly douchebag, pseudo-intellectual hippies that despise all the "bullshit" in their lives but show up in the leased Audi. They were nearly in tears before the shaman even took us into this fucking bunker, pretentiously talking about "getting out of the mind prison". I was all for it,  here in Mexico but this shit was a cult, period. They hype this, tell everyone to fast, then the shaman hocus pocus and these retards are just sopping it up. I was the only one with an open mind just giving it a try.

Bottom line, at least this brew shit just makes people VIOLENTLY throw up, like for hours! The dude next to me was just hurling and dry heaving for like 5 hours. I got a little sick but have been through some hard drinking and hard living so just laid back. But these twinks were just HURLING!!!!! Everyone in these buckets. I was laughing like wtf?  And they're praising the "demons leaving" and weeping. Whatever this brew is makes people violently throw up for HOURS! That's the gimmick. Yeah some people trip and see shit, but I didn't really feel shit, because I didn't buy the whole gimmick.

What I learned is life is hard work. Wanna trip, cool, bit if you think there is some "secret key" that unlocks it all, its indicative of what our society has become, wanting shit without the pain and work it takes. Wanna find God? Maybe start by reading the 1000's of years of philosophy from Descartes to Nietzsche to Socrates about God vs reason and what 1000's of years of great human thought think to put your ideas in perspective...Oh no...go to the library? Take this fucking potion, throw up for hours and proclaim divinity.....Relationshi ps, finance, its all work...yeah it sucks..but like Piana said, 5% of people go through the fucking hell it takes and failures to get where they want.

Even love is work. The problem is we have lost the connection between work, pain and self-realization. We just "want it". We should all have a big mansion on the hill for doing work we always love doing, and love and happiness are just a potion away, after removing those blocks of self sabotage.  All bullshit.

You look at your mansion and cry, knowing what you went through to get it. Or the love of your life, remembering the fights and their parents hated you, and all that shit.

I found something, but it damn sure wasn't this hurl fest. It was embracing tough things and hard work and disappointments again...knowing they are directly connected to my self-realization.

Sorry to hear you left feeling cynical. Could have been a sham gathering. I really dont have much interest in those retreats and I didnt do it like that.

If you did real DMT you would definitely know it. lol

I'd suggest getting DMT extracted from Mimosa Root Bark and trying that alone or with someone to accompany you that you feel completely comfortable with if you ever feel like attempting it again.

I agree, you make some very valid points in your post.

[tres_taco_combo]

solid thread and information

[Straw Man]

No, I didnt see any jesters or elves,etc...

I dont expect to have the same encounter as others going into this, since our lifes experiences are all different and I think that plays a lot into what you'll experience in a DMT induced state.

I didnt decide to try DMT again for the sake of "tripping", it was in hope of some insight into my life that is impossible to do without taking it..

It definitely did that.

From the little bit that I've read it seems many people do see the same things.  Terrence McKenna and others believe that DMT does not induce hallucinations but opens you to another level of reality in which case it would make sense that some people have see the same inhabitants, structures, etc.   Again, I've never tried it and of course who knows if McKenna and others are correct in their assessment

[Bindare_Dundat]

From the little bit that I've read it seems many people do see the same things.  Terrence McKenna and others believe that DMT does not induce hallucinations but opens you to another level of reality in which case it would make sense that some people have see the same inhabitants, structures, etc.   Again, I've never tried it and of course who knows if McKenna and others are correct in their assessment

I would describe part of it as having a conscious lucid dream that can feel more real than reality, particularly on an emotional level.

[Necrosis]

a feeling of co-harmony with everything? is that you mean?

Not really, more like a direct experience of non-duality. the centre of experience drops out, perceiver, perceived and perception unite. It's an actual experience and appears to relate to your default mode network shutting down.

[Necrosis]

Yes, and you will be thoroughly convinced of all this for hours before the ceremony. Power of suggestion is ENORMOUS, and anyone who travels like me, is uncomfortable, sits through all the mumbo jumbo,etc is by definition HIGHLY motivated that this stuff "dissolves the I" etc.  Bottom line is after the thing was finallized, 15 hours....the shaman had everyone go around in a circle and EVERYONE(except me) had a life changing, AMAZING experience, everyone was vomiting and all said the same shit...it was like I was fractured inside, like I died and was reborn...everyone but me..so it wasn't wattered down anytning and I demanded a second dose. No medicine affects every single person in the same way..or even works 100% for every single person unless they REALLY want and need it to work. You'll see jumping, visions and hallucinations at fervent religious ceremonies with NO drugs, if the people are suggestible enough. What I also noticed was as people went around sharing their trip, each trip got progressively greater as group suggestion came in. The 1st sharer said "I was really sick and throwing up, but made some breakthroughs"...by the last speaker it was life changing..oh my god....I'm reborn...I saw the entire Universe in front of me...

I didn't get watered down anything as every single other participant..there were over 20..said the same damn thing and had a "breakthough"..sobbing crying... I just had my natural skepticism even though i paid money and time for this. I wanted it to work. But seriously, there were over 20 dupes...not ONE fucking person other than me didn't get much or just got sick? This is some cult, group think..and the shamans know it. This one big ass Mexican shaman with no neck was really pissed at me because I was just sitting bored watching people wretch and he kept telling me to sit up...have my head pointed at God..wouldn't even let me just take a nap(sleep deprivation is a big part of this)...and he was shooting me a look like "You better play along gringo".....

Group think....You'll rarely find someone with these kind of "breakthroughs and loss of ego" that didn't go through the "ceremony".

I have! you can do it in many ways! ego dissolution is a scientific phenomenon.

there is no such think as a ego self anyway, there is no entity in your head thinking thoughts, that entity is just another thought.

shutting down the DFM induces ego loss, meditation is another way to do it. the loss of the conceptual mind and direct contact with the substratum of being/awareness. Basically it gets you in touch with the pre-linguistic real before you have ideas about whats occurring.

it's not all that mystical, the dmt stuff sounds more mystical.

[oldtimer1]

I have to get off this board.

[The Scott]

There's a reason it's called "dope".  Just read a post by Wiggs and unless you're high, you will know exactly what I am talking about.

[Necrosis]

There's a reason it's called "dope".  Just read a post by Wiggs and unless you're high, you will know exactly what I am talking about.

Dog, DMT is not dope.

Seriously, there is ample scientific evidence and beyond that to deny philosophical investigations into altered consciousness seems closed minded to me. It is direct contact with the numinous, whatever the hell that is.

[Prudence]

Dog, DMT is not dope. :: YEAH IT IS::

Seriously, there is ample scientific evidence and beyond that to deny philosophical investigations into altered consciousness seems closed minded to me. It is direct contact with the numinous, whatever the hell that is.

This is a seriously confusing sentence.

[The True Adonis]

Drugs are for the mentally bored.

[Necrosis]

This is a seriously confusing sentence.

I suppose we should define dope.

DMT is a naturally occurring tryptamine produced by your pineal gland and in other cells.

I take dope to be mind numbing not consciousness expanding.

[Voice of Doom]

its literally a 5-15 min trip that expands your mind in a way you couldn't imagine

explain exactly how your mind was "Expanded".  Did you feel a oneness with the world?  Anything unique you could learn by watching a sunset or reading a $2 self help book?

[Necrosis]

Drugs are for the mentally bored.

Like Alcohol and Coffee!

[Necrosis]

explain exactly how your mind was "Expanded".  Did you feel a oneness with the world?  Anything unique you could learn by watching a sunset or reading a $2 self help book?

the reducing valve that ist the ego is eliminated, no self no other. Oneness is the absence of self, which is an illusion anyway.

[The Scott]

Dog, DMT is not dope.

Seriously, there is ample scientific evidence and beyond that to deny philosophical investigations into altered consciousness seems closed minded to me. It is direct contact with the numinous, whatever the hell that is.

It's right down there with Nibiru, the ORIGINAL Egipshons, Hebroes and the phlatt Earf all be black.  'n' sheit.

Personally I don't desire to be mind fucked and that's what this kind of crap does.   Take shit like this and you are not "on a different plane", you're sitting in the exact same place you were when you took it. Only people can now beat the shit out of you and later tell you that your had a bad landing.   Drugs are for fuckups like Wiggs.  He fried his mind...No he fucked what little mind he had and is now an apologist for fuckwads.

"Numinous" is suggestive of the presence of divinity.  There's nothing "divine" about getting high. 

[Bindare_Dundat]

It's right down there with Nibiru, the ORIGINAL Egipshons, Hebroes and the phlatt Earf all be black.  'n' sheit.

Personally I don't desire to be mind fucked and that's what this kind of crap does.   Take shit like this and you are not "on a different plane", you're sitting in the exact same place you were when you took it. Only people can now beat the shit out of you and later tell you that your had a bad landing.   Drugs are for fuckups like Wiggs.  He fried his mind...No he fucked what little mind he had and is now an apologist for fuckwads.

"Numinous" is suggestive of the presence of divinity.  There's nothing "divine" about getting high.  

lol. As usual your posts are entertaining and this one is no different.

You are definitely a good candidate for DMT, although
I don't think youd handle it well at all initially because of your narrow mental perspective and underlying bloated ego.  

To see the look on your face when you come to the realization that everything you think you're so sure of is wrong would be priceless. Probably the best thing for you.

[Bindare_Dundat]

Drugs are for the mentally bored.

Drugs  are necessary to get most people through your threads and posts.

[Griffith]

[The Scott]

lol. As usual your posts are entertaining and this one is no different.

You are definitely a good candidate for DMT, although
I don't think youd handle it well at all initially,  because of your narrow mental perspective and underlying bloated ego.  

To see the look on your face when you come to the realization that everything you think you're so sure of is wrong would be priceless. Probably the best thing for you.

If all I desire is to be shown another reality I need only pick out a random woman and ask her what she wants. 

[Bevo]

Drugs  are necessary to get most people through your threads and posts.

Not really, I like his cooking recipes