Andy Ruiz Jr - Anthony Joshua's next opponent

[G_Thang]

To me Joshua is a wladimir Klitschko 2.0. A physical specimen but a clod, with a questionable chin, suspect heart and stamina. Joshua is a little more coordinated and athletic but Klitschko seemingly had more desire. It was disappointing how easily Joshua lost his confidence during the fight. Ruiz will be tough for anyone and may even win the rematch with AJ but I'd favor Wilder to win against Ruiz

And Lennox got clipped by 2 journeymen early in his career.  From what I get, he was sparring the final week of the fight and got knocked out, and his dad wanted the event canceled. We'll find out at a later date.  That being said, people act like Ruiz is the best fighter on AJ's resume in 23 fights.  AJ smokes Ruiz in Wales in Nov.  Hence, AJ is more like Lennox 2.0 when it comes to rematches. 

[johnny1]

We will see if Joshua is done in the rematch, first point of retirement is always hesitation, seen it with De L:a Hoya, seen it Tszyu, they just hesitate rather than throw, whether its a worry of another loss and losing their legacy or value or just plain getting knocked out, it seems to be the first sign that they are declining, If Joshua doesn't let his hands go, he's done.

i hear what your saying the difference is in my view those tell tale shows your alluring too are a common sign of too many wars and more too the point age nether Tszyu or De la Hoya were 28-29 years old when they started hesitating that was the passage of time age factor for them.

The interesting thing no one here has mentioned on is that when you get hit in a specific way SOMETIMES you don’t get yr legs back or your mindset and instincts alone keeps you going, unless you have actually been in some type of combat/Martal Arts/Boxing etc people wouldn’t know what I’m on about.

I was in that type of position way back in the early 1990s I got hit with a spinning head kick too the side of the head and dropped got back up held on literally for another 2 rounds until fight was stopped afterwards people said I’d “Quit” I didn’t Quit because if I’d had that mindset I would of STAYED down after the FIRST knockdown...that was @ National level, Joshua is in a totally different level BUT the rule still apply in my opinion.

If he wanted too “Quit” he would of just stayed down after the 1st or 2nd knockdown...he didn’t he kept going and kept getting up, this shit happens in ANY type of fighting sport SOMETIMES you don’t recover and you carry on on instinct alone until ether you get completely knocked out or the Ref has seen enough Some people recover quickly from being dropped...Some don’t it’s that simple.

I’ll hold my view on Joshua he’s a good fighter but how good that will reveal itself bye the years end that’s the fight game is that sooner or later your going too be tested bye defeat here’s his chance too show what he’s got now that the bubbles been cracked.

[Marty Champions]

If aj wants to beat ruiz he is going to have to brawl ruiz with only head shots. Im talking non stop head hunting combos falcon shit non of this outside fighting pussy mayweather shit..i dont know if aj can bang he looks puffed up like phil heath , aj might lock up like dillet if he tries to brawl. If aj doesnt do as i say then ruiz will in time work his way on the inside and deliver gut busting body shots that no one can take except if your a true freak like ive seen some russians take kicks to the stomach

[che]

i hear what your saying the difference is in my view those tell tale shows your alluring too are a common sign of too many wars and more too the point age nether Tszyu or De la Hoya were 28-29 years old when they started hesitating that was the passage of time age factor for them.

The interesting thing no one here has mentioned on is that when you get hit in a specific way SOMETIMES you don’t get yr legs back or your mindset and instincts alone keeps you going, unless you have actually been in some type of combat/Martal Arts/Boxing etc people wouldn’t know what I’m on about.

I was in that type of position way back in the early 1990s I got hit with a spinning head kick too the side of the head and dropped got back up held on literally for another 2 rounds until fight was stopped afterwards people said I’d “Quit” I didn’t Quit because if I’d had that mindset I would of STAYED down after the FIRST knockdown...that was @ National level, Joshua is in a totally different level BUT the rule still apply in my opinion.

If he wanted too “Quit” he would of just stayed down after the 1st or 2nd knockdown...he didn’t he kept going and kept getting up, this shit happens in ANY type of fighting sport SOMETIMES you don’t recover and you carry on on instinct alone until ether you get completely knocked out or the Ref has seen enough Some people recover quickly from being dropped...Some don’t it’s that simple.

I’ll hold my view on Joshua he’s a good fighter but how good that will reveal itself bye the years end that’s the fight game is that sooner or later your going too be tested bye defeat here’s his chance too show what he’s got now that the bubbles been cracked.

This guy knows what he's talking about .

[Rascal full]

If aj wants to beat ruiz he is going to have to brawl ruiz with only head shots. Im talking non stop head hunting combos falcon shit non of this outside fighting pussy mayweather shit..i dont know if aj can bang he looks puffed up like phil heath , aj might lock up like dillet if he tries to brawl. If aj doesnt do as i say then ruiz will in time work his way on the inside and deliver gut busting body shots that no one can take except if your a true freak like ive seen some russians take kicks to the stomach

Yeah, if only he can get as good as you he will smash Ruiz in November.

[TRIX]

I had a dream, Joshua smashed Ruiz in rematch

[oldgolds]

Joshua needs a heart transplant....
There's another obese fighter from NYC who looks pretty good, a Polack who fights like Ruiz. Fast hands,throws combos,good  power, decent defense. THAT would be a good fight.

[OneMoreRep]

I think Joshua might take it in the rematch against Ruiz. It all depends on where his heart is. If he isn't driven by the sport anymore, he''ll just clock in for a payday and lose again. If he gets back to his roots and comes in hungry again, Ruiz will have only held the belt for a few months.

In the grand scheme, I think this has become a contention of who is the true P4P king between 4 fighters (Joshua, Fury, Wilder and Ruiz), but if I had to pick one that I think would outbox them all, Fury would be my pick.

"1"

[G_Thang]

I think Joshua might take it in the rematch against Ruiz. It all depends on where his heart is. If he isn't driven by the sport anymore, he''ll just clock in for a payday and lose again. If he gets back to his roots and comes in hungry again, Ruiz will have only held the belt for a few months.

In the grand scheme, I think this has become a contention of who is the true P4P king between 4 fighters (Joshua, Fury, Wilder and Ruiz), but if I had to pick one that I think would outbox them all, Fury would be my pick.

"1"

I made a post that AJ would get beat by someone other than Wilder or Fury, will stick with that.  The AJ that rises from this will be Lennox/Vlad 2.0.

[WoogsRaven]

Ruiz needs to come in better physical shape in the rematch, 10-15 pounds lighter would help greatly. If AJ comes mentally prepared, I think he wins. Ruiz can't rely on taking the same approach in the rematch as he did in the first fight.

[Humble Narcissist]

Ruiz needs to come in better physical shape in the rematch, 10-15 pounds lighter would help greatly. If AJ comes mentally prepared, I think he wins. Ruiz can't rely on taking the same approach in the rematch as he did in the first fight.

Why does he need to lose weight?  He didn't appear to be gassed at all in that fight and the weight gives him more power.

[WoogsRaven]

Why does he need to lose weight?  He didn't appear to be gassed at all in that fight and the weight gives him more power.

He's carrying way too much body fat. If AJ is smart, he will go to the body more in the rematch instead of head hunting. Start going to the body more effectively and Ruiz's stamina takes a big hit.

[Humble Narcissist]

He's carrying way too much body fat. If AJ is smart, he will go to the body more in the rematch instead of head hunting. Start going to the body more effectively and Ruiz's stamina takes a big hit.

The fat probably protects his body.  Watch Joe Rogan's podcast about the fight.

[johnny1]

He's carrying way too much body fat. If AJ is smart, he will go to the body more in the rematch instead of head hunting. Start going to the body more effectively and Ruiz's stamina takes a big hit.

In boxing it doesn’t work like that if AJ goes too the body it will leave him MORE open too the left hook as it was he left himself open with the straight right hand because of  Ruiz fast hands and counter punching if Ruiz was fast enough countering a right hand he will have absolutely no trouble countering AJ shooting body shots.

Most people can not carry that type of weight the difference is Ruiz has fought his whole boxing career carry that type of bodyweight, he did a very very smart thing in regards too his opportunity 6 weeks ago he was presented...not panic drop weight drastically and Weaken himself just so he could “look good” for his big moment.

This is fighting not a how you look show Ruiz is obviously smart enough too understand that you fight @ a weight your 100% comfortable with hes gone the distance several times as a pro and MANY MORE times as a amateur he has consistently shown his weight can take him 12 hard rounds if need be.

As a general rule don’t fix something that isn’t broken, that weight he carry’s will catch up with him when he hits 33-35 years old as your timing, reflex’s, countering ability starts too wane bit bye bit couple that with wear n tear a lot of wars under your belt, age etc

For the time being he can get away with his weight but time catches up with everybody that fights and that weight for him down the line will be a issue @ the present it’s perfect for him

[Desolate]

He only had a few weeks to prepare for the fight.

I expect he will be in better shape.

But you can have a bodybuilder's body and a chin like tin.

Joshua has one.

He brings back memories of Frank Bruno.

I remember Jim Lampley's quote describing ole Frank before his first beating from Mike Tyson:

"With the body of a Greek god, and the chin of a Poet Laureate."

[AbrahamG]

AJ has had a pretty good run up til last Saturday.  His resume' is very strong. 

Wins over Klitchko, Povetkin, Parker, White and Takam. 

That's a better resume' than either Wilder or Fury.

I'll reserve judgement until after the rematch. 

He looked flat from before the 1st bell.  Very lethargic, almost had "heavy" legs. 

If he isn't mentally broken, he should be able to exact revenge in the rematch.  His physical gifts are immeasurable. 

That being said, Andy Ruiz was always a better opponent than Big Baby Miller.  Andy Ruiz looks like Two Ton Tony Galento but
he has been doing this shit since he was 8.  He was an Olympian.  This guy has fast hands, ring generalship, stamina, heart and
incredible heart/fighting spirit. 

I'm very much looking forward to the rematch.

[illuminati]

Boxing styles make fights
AJ’s couldn’t cope with Andy’s

Look how Ali Had Tough Fights against Both Norton & Frazier
Yet Foreman Beat Both of Them Very Easy
Yet He Couldn’t Deal With Ali.

The rematch should be interesting,
Are either of them fighting anyone else before then
As that could change / show a lot.

[G_Thang]

He only had a few weeks to prepare for the fight.

I expect he will be in better shape.

But you can have a bodybuilder's body and a chin like tin.

Joshua has one.

He brings back memories of Frank Bruno.

I remember Jim Lampley's quote describing ole Frank before his first beating from Mike Tyson:

"With the body of a Greek god, and the chin of a Poet Laureate."

LOL, he was hit in an exchange long the side of head, more of temple shot.  Here is how guys response to temple shots and recover:

https://youtu.be/8xfBb0U8oHs?t=216

it starts with the right that grazed the temple

https://youtu.be/tE_V5UmyvhU?t=92

why does his dad go after hearn?  is a knockout 1 week before the fight true?  people don't know that dawson had been knocked out in sparring right before the ward fight.

anyway, aj chased parker for 12 rounds at a heavier weight but has shannon briggs 2 round stamina vs ruiz.  it doesn't add up.

i look for to hearng aj's dad's side of the story in the future.

[AbrahamG]

LOL, he was hit in an exchange long the side of head, more of temple shot.  Here is how guys response to temple shots and recover:

https://youtu.be/8xfBb0U8oHs?t=216

it starts with the right that grazed the temple

https://youtu.be/tE_V5UmyvhU?t=92

why does his dad go after hearn?  is a knockout 1 week before the fight true?  people don't know that dawson had been knocked out in sparring right before the ward fight.

anyway, aj chased parker for 12 rounds at a heavier weight but has shannon briggs 2 round stamina vs ruiz.  it doesn't add up.

i look for to hearng aj's dad's side of the story in the future.

You are right, it wasn't AJ's chin so much as his temple. 

An example I always use is Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson vs Razor Ruddock.

Prime Tyson was a big puncher as was Lennox Lewis.  Ruddock stood up for 20 rounds vs Tyson.  Got his chin checked repeatedly and got up from all his knockdowns.  Against Lewis?  Lewis shots landed higher on Ruddocks head and he was flattened within 2 rounds. 

[johnny1]

AJ has had a pretty good run up til last Saturday.  His resume' is very strong.  

Wins over Klitchko, Povetkin, Parker, White and Takam.  

That's a better resume' than either Wilder or Fury.

I'll reserve judgement until after the rematch.  

He looked flat from before the 1st bell.  Very lethargic, almost had "heavy" legs.  

If he isn't mentally broken, he should be able to exact revenge in the rematch.  His physical gifts are immeasurable.  

That being said, Andy Ruiz was always a better opponent than Big Baby Miller.  Andy Ruiz looks like Two Ton Tony Galento but
he has been doing this shit since he was 8.  He was an Olympian.  This guy has fast hands, ring generalship, stamina, heart and
incredible heart/fighting spirit.  

I'm very much looking forward to the rematch.

lol if memory serves correctly Tony Galento or “2 ton” looked a lot like Ruiz and managed too knock the Great Joe Louis down way back in the 1930s/40s before Louis ended up taking him apart.

Ruiz has got that grounding a lot of the Pros nowadays haven’t got and that’s a extensive Amateur career over 100 fights BEFORE he even turned Pro so that obviously has held him in good stead having already encountered all shapes, sizes, styles before turning pro.

As illuminati has correctly referred too STYLES makes fights Ruiz might be such that Joshua can not figure out...we will know soon enough the rematch could be 50-50 ether way depending on how Joshua approaches it, if he turns up with the same laid back demeaner and attitude if could be another bad night for him in all seriousness I know he’s  a humble want too be everybody’s friend type but Jesus...

I don’t think there’s EVER been a heavyweight champion in HISTORY that’s willingly let a challenger parade around with his championship belts a day or so BEFORE the fight, laughing, joking around taking selfies with his opponent   I wonder how he feels about all that now.

[old-school-lifter]

1st punch that started the rot for Aj was a Left hook counter right on the chin in the 3rd round (as he was trying to finish Ruiz)

[wes]

In boxing it doesn’t work like that if AJ goes too the body it will leave him MORE open too the left hook as it was he left himself open with the straight right hand because of  Ruiz fast hands and counter punching if Ruiz was fast enough countering a right hand he will have absolutely no trouble countering AJ shooting body shots.

Most people can not carry that type of weight the difference is Ruiz has fought his whole boxing career carry that type of bodyweight, he did a very very smart thing in regards too his opportunity 6 weeks ago he was presented...not panic drop weight drastically and Weaken himself just so he could “look good” for his big moment.

This is fighting not a how you look show Ruiz is obviously smart enough too understand that you fight @ a weight your 100% comfortable with hes gone the distance several times as a pro and MANY MORE times as a amateur he has consistently shown his weight can take him 12 hard rounds if need be.

As a general rule don’t fix something that isn’t broken, that weight he carry’s will catch up with him when he hits 33-35 years old as your timing, reflex’s, countering ability starts too wane bit bye bit couple that with wear n tear a lot of wars under your belt, age etc

For the time being he can get away with his weight but time catches up with everybody that fights and that weight for him down the line will be a issue @ the present it’s perfect for him

BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good post bro.

[wes]

Ruiz had 105 amateur fights and won 100 of them.

[old-school-lifter]

He only had a few weeks to prepare for the fight.

I expect he will be in better shape.

But you can have a bodybuilder's body and a chin like tin.

Joshua has one.

He brings back memories of Frank Bruno.

I remember Jim Lampley's quote describing ole Frank before his first beating from Mike Tyson:

"With the body of a Greek god, and the chin of a Poet Laureate."

so much like Bruno- mechanical wooden style with a weak defense

muchbetter power than Bruno but RUiz great chin- def. took AJ's hardest left hooks and right crosses , knocked down but came back fighting

great performance by ruiz

[G_Thang]

1st punch that started the rot for Aj was a Left hook counter right on the chin in the 3rd round (as he was trying to finish Ruiz)

Nope, you are wrong by a country mile, old man.  Here is the hook to the temple when they got into an exchange after AJ knocked Ruiz down.  Go back and watch highlights.  Joshua's leg go right after this shot.  Your standard inability to recover and regain coordination after the punch. He never truly recovered even rounds later.  The same thing can occur with an ear shot if the vestibular canal is jolted.

https://youtu.be/DQ4P1ySqbLg?t=59

Can Ruiz land another perfect temple shot in the rematch, a 2nd lightening strick?  That's why this fight is Rahman vs Lennox 2.0 to me.  Joshua is going to wash this dude.