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So what about this?  Has the media been talking about how President Trump's privacy was violated? 

Hans von Spakovsky: NY Times publication of Trump tax information violates his legal right to confidentiality
By Hans A. von Spakovsky | Fox News

New York Times reports Trump tax figures show financial trouble from 1984-1995

The president goes on the defense on Twitter after the New York Times reports on his 'decade in the red'; Kevin Corke reports from the White House.

The New York Times no doubt considers it quite a coup to have obtained and published President Trump’s tax return information from 1985 to 1994. But doing so violated Trump’s right under federal law to the confidentiality of his tax returns.

The Times – which reported that Trump’s businesses lost $1.17 billion during the 10-year period – has no more right to Trump’s tax returns than it has to mine or those of any of you reading these words.

Confidentiality, as the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals held in 1991 in U.S. v. Richey, is essential to “maintaining a workable tax system.”

TRUMP BLASTS 'HIT JOB' NEW YORK TIMES REPORT ON LOSSES IN TAX RETURNS

Taxpayer privacy is “fundamental to a tax system that relies on self-reporting” since it protects “sensitive or otherwise personal information,” said then-Judge (now Supreme Court Justice) Ruth Bader Ginsburg in 1986 in another case when she served on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia.

Regardless of the accuracy or inaccuracy of The New York Times story, tax returns themselves, as well as tax return information such as these IRS transcripts (which are a summary of the tax returns), are protected from disclosure by federal law.

Federal law – 26 U.S.C. §7213(a)(1) – makes it a felony for any federal employee to disclose tax returns or “return information.” Infractions are punishable by up to five years in prison and a fine as high as $250,000 under the Alternative Fines Act (18 U.S.C. §3571).

Regardless of the accuracy or inaccuracy of The New York Times story, tax returns themselves, as well as tax return information such as these IRS transcripts (which are a summary of the tax returns), are protected from disclosure by federal law. And this provision applies to private individuals as well as government employees, a fact that should be considered by the New York Times’ source.

According to the newspaper, it did not actually obtain Trump’s tax returns but “printouts from his official Internal Revenue Service tax transcripts, with the figures from his federal tax form, the 1040, from someone who had legal access to them.”

The Times quotes a lawyer for the president, Charles J. Harder, as saying that the tax information in the story is “demonstrably false” and that IRS transcripts, particularly from the days before electronic filing, are “notoriously inaccurate.” However, that claim is disputed by a former IRS employee now at the liberal Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center.

The president tweeted Wednesday in response to the Times story: “Real estate developers in the 1980’s & 1990’s, more than 30 years ago, were entitled to massive write offs and depreciation which would, if one was actively building, show losses and tax losses in almost all cases. Much was non monetary. Sometimes considered ‘tax shelter,’ ... you would get it by building, or even buying. You always wanted to show losses for tax purposes....almost all real estate developers did - and often re-negotiate with banks, it was sport. Additionally, the very old information put out is a highly inaccurate Fake News hit job!”

Regardless of the accuracy or inaccuracy of The New York Times story, tax returns themselves, as well as tax return information such as these IRS transcripts (which are a summary of the tax returns), are protected from disclosure by federal law. If the newspaper obtained this information from an employee of the IRS, that employee will be in big trouble if he or she is identified.

Could the editors and reporters at the New York Times be prosecuted for publishing this information?

Section (a)(3) of the law makes it a felony for any person who receives an illegally disclosed tax return or return information to publish that return or that information. But it’s unknown if the bar on publication by a media organization could survive a First Amendment challenge.

What we do know is that in previous incidents, the government did not attempt to prosecute the publisher of tax return information. In 2014, the IRS agreed to pay the National Organization for Marriage $50,000 to settle a lawsuit after an IRS clerk illegally disclosed the organization’s tax return.

The clerk gave the tax return to Matthew Meisel, a former employee of Bain & Company, who gave it to the Human Rights Campaign (a political opponent of the National Organization for Marriage).

The tax return was then posted on the HRC website and published by the Huffington Post. Although the IRS paid to settle the lawsuit, none of the individuals or organizations involved in the illegal disclosure and publication were prosecuted.

If such a prosecution were attempted, there is no doubt that a First Amendment challenge would be filed.

The courts would then have to answer an important question: Are the interests of the government in an effective tax system and that of citizens in maintaining the confidentiality of their financial information outweighed by the First Amendment right of the press, and by and the public’s interest in obtaining financial information on elected officials?

In the midst of this illegal disclosure to the New York Times, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin announced Monday that he would not comply with a demand by the House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard Neal, D-Mass, to provide the committee with copies of tax returns filed by Trump and eight of his companies for the last six years.

Mnuchin sent a letter to Neal telling him that “the Supreme Court has held that the Constitution requires that Congressional information demands must reasonably serve a legitimate legislative purpose.”

The Treasury secretary is correct. Numerous court decisions hold that legislative investigations must have a legitimate legislative purpose. Mnuchin says that Neal’s request “lacks” such a legitimate purpose.

The court decisions supporting Mnuchin’s decision include the 1957 decision in Watkins v. U.S., in which the Supreme Court told the House Un-American Activities Committee that “there is no congressional power to expose for the sake of exposure” the “private affairs of individuals.”

Rep. Neal has claimed that the legislative purpose of getting the Trump tax returns is to examine how the IRS audits presidents. But as Trump’s legal counsel has pointed out, Neal didn’t ask for the tax returns of any other presidents and hasn’t asked any questions of any kind about IRS policy and procedures for such audits.

Mnuchin tells Neal in his letter that he is willing to provide the congressman with complete information on “how the IRS conducts mandatory examinations of Presidents, as provided by the Internal Revenue Manual.”

If examining how the IRS audits presidents is really Neal’s legislative purpose – as opposed to simply wanting to expose anything embarrassing the committee finds in Trump’s tax returns – IRS information on its policies and procedures would be the only information the House committee would need.

So the Treasury Department has put House Democrats in check for now. It will probably be up to the courts to see who achieves checkmate when it comes to the Trump’ tax returns.

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Now the interests of protecting the privacy of taxpayers warrants the opening of a government investigation to find the leaker who provided the Trump tax information to The New York Times.

The IRS and the U.S. Justice Department should investigate how this disclosure happened, find out who did it, and prosecute anyone who violated the law.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/hans-von-spakovsky-ny-times-publication-of-trump-tax-information-violates-his-legal-right-to-confidentiality

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After reading the title I IMMEDIATELY scrolled down to see your source.
FOX News huh?
Okay--I'll bite--so I Googled numerous different terms cited in the article and found they all  led right back to the same link and story you cicted.
Why is that?
If this were an issue surely the Times was aware of it. That's why they posted HOW they got the information.
Sorry babe--but you're gonna be okay with this because I too thought it was a little sketchy. An invasion of privacy to say the least. Indeed.


But I really don't care.

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After reading the title I IMMEDIATELY scrolled down to see your source.
FOX News huh?
Okay--I'll bite--so I Googled numerous different terms cited in the article and found they all  led right back to the same link and story you cicted.
Why is that?
If this were an issue surely the Times was aware of it. That's why they posted HOW they got the information.
Sorry babe--but you're gonna be okay with this because I too thought it was a little sketchy. An invasion of privacy to say the least. Indeed.


But I really don't care.

Not that the facts really matter, but it's not a Fox News article.  It's an opinion piece by By Hans A. von Spakovsky, a Senior Legal Fellow at The Heritage Foundation.

Who cares what the New York Times thinks?? 

I'm asking if anyone is concerned about the president, an American citizen, having his privacy violated.  What you people suffering from TDS should try is inserting your name in place of all the people who have had their rights violated since 2016.  Or evaluate how this would affect the average American.  What we have been witnessing is not ok. 

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But in all fairness it's NOT what the Times thinks.
Its the evidence--that's alarming.

They hate him--so it's to be expected.
The facts are the facts--no tilt or spin to those numbers. THey didnt pull um out of their ass.

BUT---i do in fact know what you mean about the rest of ur post.
It's not right. It isnt.

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But in all fairness it's NOT what the Times thinks.
Its the evidence--that's alarming.

They hate him--so it's to be expected.
The facts are the facts--no tilt or spin to those numbers. THey didnt pull um out of their ass.

BUT---i do in fact know what you mean about the rest of ur post.
It's not right. It isnt.

I'm not even talking about what Trump thinks.  I'm talking about basic fairness.  Thank you for acknowledging that.  There is hope for you.   :D

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It's clearly not fair but my disdain for this man as a human being is greater than my concern for what's morally right. (notice I didn't say legally right--if they broke the law they oughta be penalized)
Sucks that HE bought that out in me. But I suspect, I'm not alone.

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It's clearly not fair but my disdain for this man as a human being is greater than my concern for what's morally right. (notice I didn't say legally right--if they broke the law they oughta be penalized)
Sucks that HE bought that out in me. But I suspect, I'm not alone.

I've had numerous very smart friends who willingly ignore fairness, morality, etc. so long as it injures or potentially gets rid of Trump.  TDS is real. 

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All I got out of that was you saying I was a very good friend of yours and I'm smart.




by proxy anyway.

Thanks babe!
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All I got out of that was you saying I was a very good friend of yours and I'm smart.




by proxy anyway.

Thanks babe!
:::kisses:::

I'll cave in and make my posts less gay

Anytime now.  lol

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Not that the facts really matter, but it's not a Fox News article.  It's an opinion piece by By Hans A. von Spakovsky, a Senior Legal Fellow at The Heritage Foundation.

Who cares what the New York Times thinks?? 

I'm asking if anyone is concerned about the president, an American citizen, having his privacy violated.  What you people suffering from TDS should try is inserting your name in place of all the people who have had their rights violated since 2016.  Or evaluate how this would affect the average American.  What we have been witnessing is not ok. 

Trump is not in anyway an average American. However, if publishing someone's tax returns or information therein is in violation of the law, then whoever sent Mr. Johnson Tump's tax information broke the law.

The Supreme Court has said that journalists are free to publish truthful information on matters of public concern notwithstanding laws to the contrary as long as they did nothing illegal in obtaining the information.

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Trump is not in anyway an average American. However, if publishing someone's tax returns or information therein is in violation of the law, then whoever sent Mr. Johnson Tump's tax information broke the law.

The Supreme Court has said that journalists are free to publish truthful information on matters of public concern notwithstanding laws to the contrary as long as they did nothing illegal in obtaining the information.

I didn't call Trump an average American.  I called him an American citizen. 

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BOTH sides are playing this issue using the norms of citizens.
1.For the example, the dems correctly say that tax code 6103-f , mandates that the sec of Treasury shall provide the Ways and Means comm. ANY requested tax forms of any US tax return. While there are no other requirements we KNOW this is politically motivated

2. Now the right claims Trump's privacy rights are violated if they release the info to the public.
Yes, this is technically true, BUT the President is not an ordinary citizen.


It's been a DOJ established norm , we don't indict a sitting President. It's also been a long stading norm that every Presidentail candiate release their tax returns.
Trump refuses to obey a subpeona, congressional oversight or provide his tax info.
The congress is resorting to laws that haven't been enforced since Tea Pot Dome w/ Pres Harding in the 1920's.
If both sides won't yeild to modern established norms, what happens? Is impeachment  the one and only path left to resolve this?



Don't give me that both sides nonsense.  There is one side using the power of government as a weapon. 

What is the legislative purpose of Congress requesting Trump's tax returns?

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I didn't call Trump an average American.  I called him an American citizen. 

You may not realize this because it is second nature to you, but you are nitpicking again. -Nuff said.

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You may not realize this because it is second nature to you, but you are nitpicking again. -Nuff said.

You clearly will not meaningfully participate in this discussion, because you suffer from TDS, and you cannot bring yourself to talk about how outrageous it is for an American citizen to have his privacy violated in this manner.   

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You clearly will not meaningfully participate in this discussion, because you suffer from TDS, and you cannot bring yourself to talk about how outrageous it is for an American citizen to have his privacy violated in this manner.   

On the other hand, my lack of participation here might be because you bore me.

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On the other hand, my lack of participation here might be because you bore me.

Oh now that really hurts my feelings.   :'(

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Oh now that really hurts my feelings.   :'(

Sorry. Did not mean to make you cry. I was just being honest. Sometimes honesty hurts.  :-*

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Prime is even bad at "snarky" comments.

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Prime is even bad at "snarky" comments.

Right?  But I'm trying to humor him a bit.   :)

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What is the legislative purpose of Congress requesting Trump's tax returns?
They'll avoid this like the plague.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!