Stumbling Mumbling Old Fool Mueller

[Board_SHERIF]

Take note that people like Agnostic and others who have bought into this nonsense don't walk through each example and talk about them specifically.  It's like the people who cited the number of indictments and convictions whenever someone called the Russian investigation a witch hunt, without going through each indictment and conviction, because to do so would show how they were completely irrelevant to Trump being a Manchurian Candidate. 

Similarly, you don't really hear people talking about things like Trump firing Comey obstructed the Mueller investigation.  Why?  Aside from the fact it's friggin stupid, there is this: 

(a) Trump received a memo from the Deputy AG that recommended Comey's firing.
(b) The IG said Comey was insubordinate.
(c) The POTUS had the Constitutional authority to fire Comey.
(d) Firing Comey did absolutely nothing to prevent Muller from obtaining all of the funding he requested, getting all of the subpoenas he wanted, all of the pen registers, convening a grand jury, and interviewing hundreds of witnesses. 
(e) The investigation involved an alleged crime that never happened and was invented by paid opposition research. 

Now if after all that you think Trump obstructed the Mueller investigation by firing Comey you have to be either not too bright, a partisan, or suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. 

We could go through this analysis with each one of those instances of "obstruction," but good luck finding people who will do that. 

Yes great points - Libatards never user actual facts and when they lose an argument call us racists etc..

This agnostic fella and the others cant even bother to read what they link...they are lazy and pathetic.

[Dos Equis]

Yes great points - Libatards never user actual facts and when they lose an argument call us racists etc..

This agnostic fella and the others cant even bother to read what they link...they are lazy and pathetic.

Happens all the time. 

[Agnostic007]

Take note that people like Agnostic and others who have bought into this nonsense don't walk through each example and talk about them specifically.  It's like the people who cited the number of indictments and convictions whenever someone called the Russian investigation a witch hunt, without going through each indictment and conviction, because to do so would show how they were completely irrelevant to Trump being a Manchurian Candidate. 

Similarly, you don't really hear people talking about things like Trump firing Comey obstructed the Mueller investigation.  Why?  Aside from the fact it's friggin stupid, there is this: 

(a) Trump received a memo from the Deputy AG that recommended Comey's firing.
(b) The IG said Comey was insubordinate.
(c) The POTUS had the Constitutional authority to fire Comey.
(d) Firing Comey did absolutely nothing to prevent Muller from obtaining all of the funding he requested, getting all of the subpoenas he wanted, all of the pen registers, convening a grand jury, and interviewing hundreds of witnesses. 
(e) The investigation involved an alleged crime that never happened and was invented by paid opposition research. 

Now if after all that you think Trump obstructed the Mueller investigation by firing Comey you have to be either not too bright, a partisan, or suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. 

We could go through this analysis with each one of those instances of "obstruction," but good luck finding people who will do that. 

Take note that people like Chaos are speaking out like they've spent any time reading the report. I guarantee had Chaos done so, he would not be saying these things. 

[Princess L]

Mueller team OMITTED KEY CONTEXT FROM REPORT, DISTORTING & DECEPTIVELY EDITING JOHN DOWD'S VOICEMAIL.

[chaos]

Take note that people like Chaos are speaking out like they've spent any time reading the report. I guarantee had Chaos done so, he would not be saying these things. 

Granted, you've probay read more than chaos has, I have read quite a bit of that opinion piece. Out of everything I've read, I have seen no evidence, only heresy, towards obstruction or collusion. To think you were LE makes me glad you no longer are since you obviously have no idea what "innocent until proven guilty" is and what it takes to prove someone guilty.

[Dos Equis]

Take note that people like Chaos are speaking out like they've spent any time reading the report. I guarantee had Chaos done so, he would not be saying these things. 

How did Trump firing Comey obstruct the Mueller investigation?

[Agnostic007]

Granted, you've probay read more than chaos has, I have read quite a bit of that opinion piece. Out of everything I've read, I have seen no evidence, only heresy, towards obstruction or collusion. To think you were LE makes me glad you no longer are since you obviously have no idea what "innocent until proven guilty" is and what it takes to prove someone guilty.

I didn't base my positions on opinion pieces is one thing. I looked at the evidence. Again, if you took the time to read the first 50 pages of volume 2 you would be singing a different story. But you wont, and you will continue to wonder how anyone could think he was guilty when Carlson and Hannity have both said there is nothing in there.

[Agnostic007]

How did Trump firing Comey obstruct the Mueller investigation?

D. Events Leading Up To and Surrounding the Termination of FBI Director
Corney
Overview
Corney was scheduled to testify before Congress on May 3, 2017. Leading up to that
testimony, the President continued to tell advisors that he wanted Corney to make public that the
President was not under investigation. At the hearing, Corney declined to answer questions about
the scope or subjects of the Russia investigation and did not state publicly that the President was
not under investigation. Two days later, on May 5, 2017, the President told close aides he was
going to fire Corney, and on May 9, he did so, using his official termination letter to make public
that Corney had on three occasions informed the President that he was not under investigation.
The President decided to fire Corney before receiving advice or a recommendation from the
Department of Justice,. but he approved an initial public account of the termination that attributed
it to a recommendation from the Department of Justice based on Corney's handling of the Clinton
email investigation. After Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein resisted attributing the firing
to his recommendation, the President acknowledged that he intended to fire Corney regardless of
the DOJ recommendation and was thinking of the Russia investigation when he made the decision.
The President also told the Russian Foreign Minister, "I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was
crazy, a real nut job. I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off ..... I'm not
under investigation."

Just one part of it. And remember, it doesn't have to be successful to be obstructing. Trump was just too ignorant to realize this would not end the investigation

[Agnostic007]

There is about 10 pages of the report outlining all the information so you can decide for yourself. 

[Dos Equis]

D. Events Leading Up To and Surrounding the Termination of FBI Director
Corney
Overview
Corney was scheduled to testify before Congress on May 3, 2017. Leading up to that
testimony, the President continued to tell advisors that he wanted Corney to make public that the
President was not under investigation. At the hearing, Corney declined to answer questions about
the scope or subjects of the Russia investigation and did not state publicly that the President was
not under investigation. Two days later, on May 5, 2017, the President told close aides he was
going to fire Corney, and on May 9, he did so, using his official termination letter to make public
that Corney had on three occasions informed the President that he was not under investigation.
The President decided to fire Corney before receiving advice or a recommendation from the
Department of Justice,. but he approved an initial public account of the termination that attributed
it to a recommendation from the Department of Justice based on Corney's handling of the Clinton
email investigation. After Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein resisted attributing the firing
to his recommendation, the President acknowledged that he intended to fire Corney regardless of
the DOJ recommendation and was thinking of the Russia investigation when he made the decision.
The President also told the Russian Foreign Minister, "I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was
crazy, a real nut job. I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off ..... I'm not
under investigation."

Just one part of it. And remember, it doesn't have to be successful to be obstructing. Trump was just too ignorant to realize this would not end the investigation

Thank you for the cut and paste that does not in any way, shape, or form show that Trump firing Comey obstructed the Mueller investigation.  

Now, in your own words, tell me how firing Comey obstructed the Mueller investigation.  I gave you my analysis of why it did not.  

[Board_SHERIF]

Thank you for the cut and paste that does not in any way, shape, or form show that Trump firing Comey obstructed the Mueller investigation.  

Now, in your own words, tell me how firing Comey obstructed the Mueller investigation.  I gave you my analysis of why it did not.  

That will not happen as he does not understand the whole thing, well other than what is on CNN 

[Primemuscle]

How did Trump firing Comey obstruct the Mueller investigation?

The issue is Trump's intent to obstruct justice. This is, of course, very hard to prove one way or the other.

[Dos Equis]

That will not happen as he does not understand the whole thing, well other than what is on CNN 

CNN and other places he finds on Google.  Don't hold your breath for independent thought. 

[Dos Equis]

The issue is Trump's intent to obstruct justice. This is, of course, very hard to prove one way or the other.

Now how dumb is that??  (No, not calling you dumb.)  So Trump intended to obstruct the Mueller investigation by firing Comey, despite the fact there was zero actual obstruction of the investigation?  And despite the fact Trump had the Constitutional authority to fire Comey for any reason?  And despite the fact an independent IG investigation concluded Comey was insubordinate?  And despite the fact the Deputy AG wrote a memo recommending Comey's firing?  And despite the fact the entire investigation was a sham?

You're ok with your tax dollars being spent on this foolishness? 

[Thin Lizzy]

That will not happen as he does not understand the whole thing, well other than what is on CNN 

Apparently, he’s one of the few remaining viewers:

CNN’s ratings drop again after three-year low last month

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cnns-ratings-drop-again-after-three-year-low-last-month

[chaos]

I didn't base my positions on opinion pieces is one thing. I looked at the evidence. Again, if you took the time to read the first 50 pages of volume 2 you would be singing a different story. But you wont, and you will continue to wonder how anyone could think he was guilty when Carlson and Hannity have both said there is nothing in there.

So you won't point out any evidence, just heresy? "Person X said XYZ and person Q corroborated" is that enough to convict someone on? No idea who Carlson or Hannity is, are you high?

[Agnostic007]

CNN and other places he finds on Google.  Don't hold your breath for independent thought. 

Dude.. you realize, between the two of us,... I'm the only one actually reading the report? 

[Agnostic007]

That will not happen as he does not understand the whole thing, well other than what is on CNN 

said the guy who hasn't bothered to read the report 

[Agnostic007]

So you won't point out any evidence, just heresy? "Person X said XYZ and person Q corroborated" is that enough to convict someone on? No idea who Carlson or Hannity is, are you high?

OMG... read the damn report! Its testimony from his OWN PEOPLE!! Damn you guys are dense!

[Dos Equis]

Dude.. you realize, between the two of us,... I'm the only one actually reading the report? 

Between the two of us, I'm the only one who explained, in my words, precisely why firing Comey did not obstruct the Mueller investigation. 

Tell me in your own words precisely how Trump firing Comey obstructed the Mueller investigation. 

[Agnostic007]

Between the two of us, I'm the only one who explained, in my words, precisely why firing Comey did not obstruct the Mueller investigation. 

Tell me in your own words precisely how Trump firing Comey obstructed the Mueller investigation. 

I believe there are 10 incidents where Mueller laid out potential obstruction allegations. Firing Comey is one. You really didn't say why firing Comey wasn't an obstruction because we both know while that position servied at the pleasure of the president, he couldn't fire for just any reason. Being black would be one, being under investigation and thinking firing him would end or change the outcome would be another. So please, take the time to READ THE REPORT for yourself....

[Agnostic007]

I challenge any Trump supporter on this board, to read 75 pages into volume 2 of the Mueller report and still support the President. It can't be done.

[Dos Equis]

I believe there are 10 incidents where Mueller laid out potential obstruction allegations. Firing Comey is one. You really didn't say why firing Comey wasn't an obstruction because we both know while that position servied at the pleasure of the president, he couldn't fire for just any reason. Being black would be one, being under investigation and thinking firing him would end or change the outcome would be another. So please, take the time to READ THE REPORT for yourself....

You are lying again.  See my post below. 

Take note that people like Agnostic and others who have bought into this nonsense don't walk through each example and talk about them specifically.  It's like the people who cited the number of indictments and convictions whenever someone called the Russian investigation a witch hunt, without going through each indictment and conviction, because to do so would show how they were completely irrelevant to Trump being a Manchurian Candidate. 

Similarly, you don't really hear people talking about things like Trump firing Comey obstructed the Mueller investigation.  Why?  Aside from the fact it's friggin stupid, there is this: 

(a) Trump received a memo from the Deputy AG that recommended Comey's firing.
(b) The IG said Comey was insubordinate.
(c) The POTUS had the Constitutional authority to fire Comey.
(d) Firing Comey did absolutely nothing to prevent Muller from obtaining all of the funding he requested, getting all of the subpoenas he wanted, all of the pen registers, convening a grand jury, and interviewing hundreds of witnesses. 
(e) The investigation involved an alleged crime that never happened and was invented by paid opposition research. 

Now if after all that you think Trump obstructed the Mueller investigation by firing Comey you have to be either not too bright, a partisan, or suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. 

We could go through this analysis with each one of those instances of "obstruction," but good luck finding people who will do that. 

Now tell me in your own words how Trump firing Comey obstructed the Mueller investigation. 

[Agnostic007]

You are lying again.  See my post below.  

Now tell me in your own words how Trump firing Comey obstructed the Mueller investigation.  

I guess since you didn't read the report, you didn't know that Trump decided to fire Comey before he got the memo from the AG. Again, you should really read the report, I can't stress that enough. Its not more than 15 pages... you probably can find the time

[Dos Equis]

I guess since you didn't read the report, you didn't know that Trump decided to fire Comey before he got the memo from the AG. Again, you should really read the report, I can't stress that enough. Its not more than 15 pages... you probably can find the time

What the heck difference does it make when he made up his mind if the firing was supported by both the Deputy AG and the IG?   

Again, tell me in your own words how Trump firing Comey obstructed the Muller investigation.