Author Topic: Banned from ironage.us (Read 46492 times)

Samourai Pizzacat · « **Reply #75 on:** April 17, 2006, 03:45:53 AM »

Quote from: Ron on April 16, 2006, 11:44:01 PM

Ok - lets get one thing straight first. Shawn Perrine is a cool guy. He made a board for Bodybuilding as it used to be, and maintains his board the way he wants it to. I respect him for that. He keeps the board tight, and if he or his mods don't want you there, or think you are promoting negatively the sport, you are gone.

Isn't there enought negativity already on the boards. The fact the Shawn wants to keep in postivie is in no ways bad. Is his is boards, it is his choice. If you don't like it, DON"T GO THERE.

Even now, on Getbig, there is way too much negativity, and while some of you are complaining, enough is enough. Some of the posts here are way out of line... and yes, while you are free to make your choice, you are not free to troll and just spew negativity post after post.

After all, we all are here to be entertained and some of us are getting tired of seeing some guys completely be negative each post. You know who you are.

Now, leave Ironage.us alone. This isn't a game. That is a good site, for positive purists. I can't beleive that some of you are complaining about other boards..

Talk about Getbig, enjoy Getbig, but leave the other boards alone. If you don't like it, change the channel. That is your prerogative. So they banned you --- boo hoo.

Keeping tight is completely different from censoring, and the latter is exactly what Ironage does. People complain here because they can't complain over on Ironage, that's pretty obvious. And why is it so unbelievable that other boards are discussed? Really? These boards are all part of the 'BB community'. Matt C and some others have legitimate issues with Ironage. The 'if you don't like it, don't go there' argument is rather nonsensical, if we would apply that to everything there would be no such thing as evaluation/refelection, let alone improvement. Let these guys from Ironage learn....

pumpster · « **Reply #76 on:** April 17, 2006, 03:50:53 AM »

Absolutely; the pronounced censorship's worthy of open discussion. Is there some reason to fear ramifications from a site that is very controlled, is unfriendly bordering on hostile to those it doesn't agree with, and is affiliated with Flex? If that's the case, let us know the reasons.

Iron Age in fact recommends that for free speech, go to Getbig, etc. FYI the suggested alternatives are not mentioned in the most flattering ways.

Of course those on Iron Age are reading this; with such a controlled format, unpredictability & excitement's lacking on their own boards.

Steve93 · « **Reply #77 on:** April 17, 2006, 04:27:54 AM »

Quote from: Matt C on April 16, 2006, 04:59:53 PM

There are some awesome pics on that board.

No, there were awesomes pics.
They have banned all the guys who were posting nice pics.
Now, there are only shit pics (they even don't know how to use a scanner correctly...)
It is not a board, it is a sect.

Vince B · « **Reply #78 on:** April 17, 2006, 07:20:29 AM »

I want to put some balance into this discussion. I have found it is easy to be banned from on line bodybuilding sites. Many are quite nasty places to be on and I have personally been called an idiot and other names for posting my ideas and theories about training on various sites but never Getbig or Ironage. I have never seen such a collection of hostile sites as I have in this Iron Game. What happens is that just about everyone who makes some good gains considers himself an expert and this can lead to all manner of disagreements when discussing the various things such as training and contests.

Getbig is an interesting place because you get the latest information here and it is usually interesting and often entertaining. I don't particularly care for the way so many attack others way too often. Accusing guys of being gay is not what I consider a put down. It is just trying to embarrass another and not win an argument. However, in fairness to this place I post my honest thoughts and more or less have been left alone. I posted some of my stories in a thread in the past but for some reason no one seemed to be interested in them. Someone suggested I visit Ironage and I have posted my stories there. I can say that I have been allowed to say whatever I like there. I never try to personally attack anyone. There was one statement I made about Arnold that was removed and I have changed what I say to avoid slandering anyone. The one thing I wonder about over at Ironage is why they won't let anyone discuss steroids re the past bodybuilders. The steroid issue goes back a lot further than most people what to admit. However, the Ironage site is dedicated to the golden era of bodybuilding and the owners want to have a place where the champions from the past are celebrated. Therefore they restrict some of the content. All in all I think the people who are there do enjoy the way the site is being run.

If someone gets booted out then of course there will be hard feelings. I won't discuss particular people but I have found the moderators to be fair and consistent. Perhaps they give past champions a bit more leeway than young guys who just want to post their opinions. Matt probably feels an injustice has occurred regarding his banning. I think Ron's post re the Ironage forum is sensible. Not that being sensible always is respected around here!

tony b · « **Reply #79 on:** April 17, 2006, 07:23:02 AM »

Good points Vince.

jaejonna · « **Reply #80 on:** April 17, 2006, 07:45:37 AM »

I dont see what the fuss is about, Ironage tells you that you cant do this that and something else on thier boards.

Then you go an do what ever it was that they said not to do and get banned.

MattC you contributed alot lately to that board , why did you have to curse ?
You know why , cause it was bad decision making ... the same type of decision making that made you take steroids and test postive for a natty show...

wahhhhhwahhhhh wahhhhhh

candidate2025 · « **Reply #81 on:** April 17, 2006, 07:55:10 AM »

Quote from: CQ on April 16, 2006, 11:59:34 PM

I only read like 3. The thread about this one, the one where Hulkster was called deranged, and another general one about how we are all 14 year old kids.

lol look at all of their physiques in the picture forum. hey all are about 180-200 lbs 15-17 unch arm dweebs. hahaha..ohh man what losers. "classical physiqus" hahaha...."celebrating the champions of the past" oh brother...yeah right, more like looking up to other guys with horrible genetics for raw mass.

bmacsys · « **Reply #82 on:** April 17, 2006, 08:11:58 AM »

Quote from: ToxicAvenger! on April 17, 2006, 12:06:02 AM

i didn't say nothing about personal info...

if an ip is open to ping...i can <ahem> hook up a plain jane $150 router (cisco 2500) to the network and send massive ping packets (1500 bytes) anfd quickly over load the buffers of the server that hold the site eh..
1) buffers overload
2) buffers drop packets
3) site goes bye bye

must i spoon feed yall

You want to launch a ping attack on Ironages host? I hope your only kidding?

pumpster · « **Reply #83 on:** April 17, 2006, 08:14:04 AM »

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I dont see what the fuss is about

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I have found the moderators to be fair and consistent.

I think we have some Iron Agers here. No, there's no fuss at all! Follow their instructions, don't say anything on their list of about 40 things that are out of bounds, and you'll be just fine!

bmacsys · « **Reply #84 on:** April 17, 2006, 08:14:17 AM »

Quote from: Steve93 on April 17, 2006, 04:27:54 AM

No, there were awesomes pics.
They have banned all the guys who were posting nice pics.
Now, there are only shit pics (they even don't know how to use a scanner correctly...)
It is not a board, it is a sect.

This is total bullshit. You don't have a clue of what goes on at Ironage.

pumpster · « **Reply #85 on:** April 17, 2006, 08:15:55 AM »

The pics aren't great, but that's what they're known for.

You can't even look at their forums without being an approved member. So much for welcoming & open!

No particular probs with Ferrigno either.

ToxicAvenger · « **Reply #86 on:** April 17, 2006, 10:54:33 AM »

Quote from: rocket on April 17, 2006, 02:30:07 AM

What he fails to point out is that denial of service attacks such as these get yourself in a spot of bother with the authorities.

hense i said do it with a router..a extended ping lets you choose your source IP in the packet...

sustabob · « **Reply #87 on:** April 17, 2006, 01:34:16 PM »

MattC, I'll say on getbig what I couldn't say on ironage - you're a prick

How many times were you warned about your behaviour ? Bet it was more than one.

If it's such a crap site, don't go there. No-brainer, I'd have thought. It's strange, you seem an intelligent guy but you just can't work it out... Whats that all about ?

crc69 · « **Reply #88 on:** April 17, 2006, 02:19:24 PM »

Quote from: bmacsys on April 17, 2006, 08:14:17 AM

This is total bullshit. You don't have a clue of what goes on at Ironage.

No, it is totally right.
The guys who were posting quality jpegs and gifs have been banned.
There are only now awful quality B&W pics and you can't say anything except "wow !" or you are banned.
The worst board I've ever seen.

the_doc · « **Reply #89 on:** April 17, 2006, 02:27:19 PM »

Quote from: Matt C on April 16, 2006, 04:59:53 PM

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ironageban.JPG

Someone asked what LMFAO and I said it means "Laughing my fucking ass off."

The owner of the site Shawn Perrine is a reasonable person and I've a lot of pleasant communication with him and he's helped me out here and there with some questions I've had regarding copyright issues. Nothing against him at all, but I will say one thing about ironage: if you have your own opinion that differs from the norm you WILL be banned for it. I guarantee that. Notice how Bluevan said it was a long time coming? I had a history of having my own opinion.

I'll be the first to say that getbig takes things too far sometimes, and some stuff is rude and disrespectful but over there you aren't even allowed to respectfully disagree. I'm not kidding when I say you can't have your own opinion without being ostracized or in my case banned. The board is very close minded when it comes to bodybuilding. It really shows their extreme lack of confidence in their own opinions when they can only post them on a board where the rules require agreeing with them.

This mod warning really says it all. I said that eighties pros had "moderate" physiques in some posts and they were deleted and I was given a warning:

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ironagemodwarning.JPG

There are some awesome pics on that board. I luckily still have access to the board through a friend's account so that I can still steal their scans to post here.

If you were acting like a prick then you deserve to be banned. I say that 1st because I don't want to come off as a hypocrite as I asked Ron to consider deleting some "deadbeatch" posts who posted sick unrelated stuff here about 6 months ago. If however you are being honest with us here and those mod warnings you have shown in your post are real then this is a case of ridiculous censorship. I bet those guys love George Bush

Hulkster · « **Reply #90 on:** April 17, 2006, 02:54:59 PM »

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I would hate to see anyone who is offended by the horrid EFF word actually face real world stressors.

LOL - you mean the stresses of the 1970's?

I too hate censorship of "bad words" - feels like my life is a badly edited TBS movie. We are all adults in the bb internet community. Censorship of "cuss words

" has no place.

I really want to post a "Who's better?" - Ronnie or Zane (with legitimate pics) and see if the fact that, GASP! I think Ronnie looks better will get me banned.

And that is what most people complain about:

At ironage, you can't have an opinion - it must fit the central dogma of the site.

If it differs from the "central dogma" - ie all 1960/70's bodbuilders destroy anyone today, you get banned. You are not allowed to think that a current champ is better than an "ironage champ". And worse, they use offseason pics of guys like Ronnie, Jay et al and compare them to contest pics from the 70's

That seems to be the issue.

Well, that and the fact that they have no sense of humour whatsoever.

I am registered there, and have been for a while, but of course, someone is probably reading this post, so I'll be banned before I even get a chance to post my "photo essay"..

In case you haven't noticed: I avoid ironage like the plague. But then again, I guess many people do.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #91 on:** April 17, 2006, 02:59:44 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on April 17, 2006, 02:54:59 PM

LOL - you mean the stresses of the 1970's?

I too hate censorship of "bad words" - feels like my life is a badly edited TBS movie. We are all adults in the bb internet community. Censorship of "cuss words " has no place.

I really want to post a "Who's better?" - Ronnie or Zane (with legitimate pics) and see if the fact that, GASP! I think Ronnie looks better will get me banned.

And that is what most people complain about:

At ironage, you can't have an opinion - it must fit the central dogma of the site.

If it differs from the "central dogma" - ie all 1960/70's bodbuilders destroy anyone today, you get banned. You are not allowed to think that a current champ is better than an "ironage champ". And worse, they use offseason pics of guys like Ronnie, Jay et al and compare them to contest pics from the 70's

That seems to be the issue.

Well, that and the fact that they have no sense of humour whatsoever.

I am registered there, and have been for a while, but of course, someone is probably reading this post, so I'll be banned before I even get a chance to post my "photo essay"..

In case you haven't noticed: I avoid ironage like the plague. But then again, I guess many people do.

Like most of your posts full of nonsense , I've posted pleanty of times of things that didn't go well with others and nothing ever happened and whats ironic is Shawn said himself the best anyone has appeared on a bodybuilding stage was Ronnie Coleman 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic winner , so when the owner of the site says the modern age guy is better than any of the Ironage guys directly contradicts your lame assesment .

brianX · « **Reply #92 on:** April 17, 2006, 02:59:49 PM »

The only problem I have with Iron Age is how they glorify bodybuilders of the 70's and 80's, as if Arnold, Sergio, and Lee Haney weren't hardcore drug users. The true "Iron Age" ended in 1960-1963, when steroids became widely available.

triple_pickle · « **Reply #93 on:** April 17, 2006, 03:01:05 PM »

Quote from: hillbilly on April 17, 2006, 08:45:24 AM

Dammit wat happened to my thread!!!

looks like some monster conspiracy is taking place between the moderators of getbig and ironage....

Hulkster · « **Reply #94 on:** April 17, 2006, 03:01:36 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 17, 2006, 02:59:44 PM

Like most of your posts full of nonsense , I've posted pleanty of times of things that didn't go well with others and nothing ever happened and whats ironic is Shawn said himself the best anyone has appeared on a bodybuilding stage was Ronnie Coleman 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic winner , so when the owner of the site says the modern age guy is better than any of the Ironage guys directly contradicts your lame assesment .

the mods won't ban him.

bmacsys · « **Reply #95 on:** April 17, 2006, 03:09:50 PM »

Quote from: brianX on April 17, 2006, 02:59:49 PM

The only problem I have with Iron Age is how they glorify bodybuilders of the 70's and 80's, as if Arnold, Sergio, and Lee Haney weren't hardcore drug users. The true "Iron Age" ended in 1960-1963, when steroids became widely available.

That is a good statement. I just think the drug use today is a magnitude higher than it was in the 60's and 70's. The guys may have used steroids heavily but it was prehistoric by todays standards. I think by the mid to late 80's guys started to get bigger, more shredded and started looking unreal. Now its a whole different level of drug usage. Insulin, HGH, the female hormone stuff, is it Clomid?, Nolvadex for bitch tits. It is quite frankly sickening to think about.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #96 on:** April 17, 2006, 03:10:40 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on April 17, 2006, 03:01:36 PM

the mods won't ban him.

He wasn't the only who felt 2001 ASC Ronnie was the best , so to say they ban anyone who even tries to say Ronnie is better than anyone before him is just nonsense .

jaejonna · « **Reply #97 on:** April 17, 2006, 03:17:27 PM »

I post on IronAge because they dont say "Meltdown" , "....Dwarfs You" or "Monster ....." after every post and sometimes you need a break....
But I do say it gets boring after a while, after I read all thier shit through and through, there really isnt anything left. I didnt live in the 1960s.
I mean PEOPLE How many times can you talk about the 1980 Mr. O, Franco breaking his leg, Pumping Iron quotes, Steve Reeves, ect ect ect ...
It is what it is, a tribute page at best. Alot of those guys are old dudes that always reference this board as the kiddie table and what not. Then turn around and say .. " I like Ron ...blah blah"
I never really got any trouble from them but I got in an argument with someone who posted thier pics up and said " Ewww your small dude..." And all the sudden Im getting PMed , asked not to put people down ...
To make things short, If you think Dave Draper is the Best BB ever ... Go to Ironage.Us.. If you wanna laugh and shit on people or watch ppl get owned.. come here
Support GetBig

Hulkster · « **Reply #98 on:** April 17, 2006, 03:18:33 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 17, 2006, 03:10:40 PM

He wasn't the only who felt 2001 ASC Ronnie was the best , so to say they ban anyone who even tries to say Ronnie is better than anyone before him is just nonsense .

the biggest problem I have is that:

1) todays champions are not given ANY credit at all

(eg. how many thread about " Who has the best ever biceps or back" do you see on "regular boards" that do not even mention Ronnie's name?) -sorry, even if you are not a Ronnie fan, he deserves credit for a few freaky bodyparts.

2) 1998 ronnie was trashed in thier "Rank the Mr. Olympia's" thread - they placed Larry Fuckin' Scott and Frank Zane ahead for christs sake.

Now, I realize that not everyone is a "ronnie fan" (but they should be

) but placing Larry Scott in his 1965 shape above a more "modern" champ like 1998 Ronnie is a little to DELUSIONAL for my liking.

Hence, why I never go there.

And, reading their thread about "GetBig's Invasion" has got me feeling too much like an asshole to post my photo essay...

But I might once all this blows over..

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #99 on:** April 17, 2006, 03:29:01 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on April 17, 2006, 03:18:33 PM

the biggest problem I have is that:

1) todays champions are not given ANY credit at all

(eg. how many thread about " Who has the best ever biceps or back" do you see on "regular boards" that do not even mention Ronnie's name?) -sorry, even if you are not a Ronnie fan, he deserves credit for a few freaky bodyparts.

2) 1998 ronnie was trashed in thier "Rank the Mr. Olympia's" thread - they placed Larry Fuckin' Scott and Frank Zane ahead for christs sake.

Now, I realize that not everyone is a "ronnie fan" (but they should be ) but placing Larry Scott in his 1965 shape above a more "modern" champ like 1998 Ronnie is a little to DELUSIONAL for my liking.

Hence, why I never go there.

And, reading their thread about "GetBig's Invasion" has got me feeling too much like an asshole to post my photo essay...

But I might once all this blows over..

Look the board is for bodybuilders from the past era and they usually want to stick to that time , hence why not many Ronnie pics , get big is all about the curent scene , just remember where you are and again its their house their rules you don't like it don't post .