European vs. American Bodybuilders

[SF1900]

Overall, I think European bodybuilders (and bodybuilders from other countries: china, japan), look better than American bodybuilders. They tend to have better physiques in terms of conditioning and size. American bodybuilders, on average, appear to have that bloated, distended, bloofy look.

Anyone believe there is truth to this?

[che]

Overall, I think European bodybuilders (and bodybuilders from other countries: china, japan), look better than American bodybuilders. They tend to have better physiques in terms of conditioning and size. American bodybuilders, on average, appear to have that bloated, distended, bloofy look.

Anyone believe there is truth to this?

Better condition ,yes 
Size  ,no

[ProudVirgin69]

Yes, European and especially Middle Eastern bodybuilders have the best physiques.  They are willing to really suffer in order to deliver a shredded physique.

There's one contest in particular, I believe it's the IFBB World Championship perhaps?  The lineup seems to be almost exclusively Middle-Eastern bodybuilders and the physiques are all incredible.  Tight waists, unbelievable conditioning, and granite-like muscles. 

[IroNat]

In Europe and elsewhere steroids are legal and readily available,

There's that.

[tres_taco_combo]

I think most euro and middle eastern bbers have the mindset of a classic wrestler or gymnastics mindset.  hard as nails etc - which is a dying thing in the west -

if you have been around a wrestler from Greece, Albania, Russia etc etc you totally grasp the hardened mindset which to get to the next level of bbing requires crazy will power and dedication most in the west do not have.

plus use drugs too -

[a_pupil]

probably lower dose/no test and strictly dht compounds like winny.

winny has a bad rep in USA and teh forums nowadays. contest prep seems to be more about tren.

[BB]

Conditioning is better, and they don't play the size game as hard.

[Skylge]

I think most euro and middle eastern bbers have the mindset of a classic wrestler or gymnastics mindset.  hard as nails etc - which is a dying thing in the west -

if you have been around a wrestler from Greece, Albania, Russia etc etc you totally grasp the hardened mindset which to get to the next level of bbing requires crazy will power and dedication most in the west do not have.

plus use drugs too -

Hard training and the right mindset were already there in the 1970's.
More and different drugs make the difference imo 

(alas, the shredded look is very unhealthy and looks terrible to me)

[Joe Valentino]

Overall, I think European bodybuilders (and bodybuilders from other countries: china, japan), look better than American bodybuilders. They tend to have better physiques in terms of conditioning and size. American bodybuilders, on average, appear to have that bloated, distended, bloofy look.

Anyone believe there is truth to this?

Roelly Winklaar would agree

[ProudVirgin69]

Hard training and the right mindset were already there in the 1970's.
More and different drugs make the difference imo 

(alas, the shredded look is very unhealthy and looks terrible to me)

Yes, and I would say that these non-American bodybuilders resemble the pros from the '80s and 90s!

Buselmo, PIP, made several excellent posts detailing the lengths that these guys will go for their contests.  Eating nothing but boiled chicken breasts starting 4 weeks out from their contest, big doses of diuretics & stimulants, stuff like that.  They make the contest prep of an American bber look like an indulgent offseason

[BILL ANVIL]

I think most euro and middle eastern bbers have the mindset of a classic wrestler or gymnastics mindset.  hard as nails etc - which is a dying thing in the west -

if you have been around a wrestler from Greece, Albania, Russia etc etc you totally grasp the hardened mindset which to get to the next level of bbing requires crazy will power and dedication most in the west do not have.

plus use drugs too -

This. You certainly know your shit.

[IRON CROSS]

Overall, I think European bodybuilders (and bodybuilders from other countries: china, japan), look better than American bodybuilders. They tend to have better physiques in terms of conditioning and size. American bodybuilders, on average, appear to have that bloated, distended, bloofy look.

Anyone believe there is truth to this?

Yes, look NABBA Universe & IFBB World record 4 the last 20 years .............

[IRON CROSS]

In Europe and elsewhere steroids are legal and readily available,

There's that.

Not in Aussie  

Boys & girls travel to SE Asia/India to get juiced  

[ProudVirgin69]

Here's one of buselmos posts on the subject

really... don't over think it guys...
look at the psychology here... most of these guys don't speak a word of english (those who do, and did their "research" online and look for super ultra mega gurus are the ones who don't look like these people)... they are, no offence to any of them but, not the sharpest tools in the shed... ALL OF THEM HAVE 'SPONSORS'! ... and no, i'm not talking about a "gay sheikh" or a sugar daddy... most of them are sponsored by dealers or supplement stores.
test = bad, deca = big but bloofy, EQ = veins, tight, but a little watery, tren = sliced and strong (btw, you say tren here and they'll look at you funny. any kind of tren is called parabolan around here), primo = best drug on earth, dbol = only when you want to get big, anadrol = for fat people, GH = best thing since islam, slin = that's how you get big, masteron = same as GH
this is their list... now, depending on their sponsor, they'll use as much as they can of each
you've all heard about the guy who died at that contest in india... he died getting out of the sauna and going to his room. they were all in the sauna popping lasix after spending 2 days not eating (the food preperation there was awful, and i think the egyptians were the only people who brought their own food)... diuretics give you that look... and arabs are the masters of diuretic use... i mean abuse.


synthol is getting pretty wide spread also... mostly pump n'pose... that's the only shit we get.
and about pharma quality??? LOOOOOOOL... only pharma shit you'll find is test and deca and ancillaries... the rest is UG... mostly taigher, promax, and global. GH is pharma though... they all prefer norditropin or genotropin... a lot are using pharma grade korean stuff called Dong-A... there's also eutropin from LG.
GH... they use more than anyone could imagine... I swear i saw a guy i knew very well but haven't seen in two years prior... I did not recognize him in his sunglasses because of how big his nose and head grew... and when we shook hands... fuck! PAWS!!! seen this more than once... and they start bullshitting with the "only 8 iu!!! i swear! only last 8 weeks before contest"...

huge abusers... especially recently... arabs were big on the 75-85 kg categories because of their small frames... with synthol, a ton of GH and slin... that's not the case anymore.


and trust me... they know NOTHING about diet... actually let me rephrase that... they know everything right, that you don't know about diet. i.e. starve yourself to get shredded, and just fucking eat and up the dose if you wanna get big...

money... that's all what it boils down to... there's a guy in these pictures but i don't want to say... he looks really really impressive (one of the outdoor contest pics)... has the worst fucking genetics and response to gear. but he's big on dealing and makes a ton out of that, and ripped a lot of people off... so he uses everything he gets his hands on... heard he'd empty vials in his ass and replace the shit in them with veggie oil and crimp them again.

I guy i competed against, a bit bigger and taller than i am... uses 10 ml of EQ on each trap every week... advice they gave him? up the slin, GH, and more eq and parabolan. don't kid yourself with genetics... look at all of them... all different muscle insertion points, shape, bellies... but one thing they have in common is they are all sharp as fuck and big as hell... one of the guys in the pics looks like he has 22 inch arms... they're 18... and in the offseason, his waist is way out of fucking control... it was hanging off his pants last year... now it looks like it's 29 inches. fuck your 3 grams of test and 5000 cals to start dieting for a contest! LOOOOOOOL

[dave19]

In Europe and elsewhere steroids are legal and readily available,

There's that.

Bullshit.

There are only a few countries in the world where steroids are legal to buy OTC and those countries are in Africa and Asia, not Europe.

Availability, quality and prices of steroids in the US are very good compared to most other countries.

[falco]

In Europe and elsewhere steroids are legal and readily available,

There's that.

Please tell me where. In most if not all european countries one needs a precription for them. And doctors can get their licence revogued if they prescribed them randomly.

[wave_length]

In Europe and elsewhere steroids are legal and readily available,

There's that.

Great Insight.

[IRON CROSS]

Please tell me where. In most if not all european countries one needs a precription for them. And doctors can get their licence revogued if they prescribed them randomly.

falco U A in Portugal, could be Morocco (?) but if U visit Africa for a 2-3 days 

Serbia could be another option, but EU customs 

[_bruce_]

In Europe and elsewhere steroids are legal and readily available,

There's that.

Steroids are illegal - for any hormone one needs a prescription in western Europoo.
Which parts of Europe are you talking about?

[kreator]

One could get a vial of test E (250mg) from Galenika ( pharmaceutical company) in
Serbia for 1 Euro or even less some 15 years ago. Don’t know about today though. It was so cheap it was uncommon to come across fake stuff.

[The Italian Lifter]

Here's one of buselmos posts on the subject

Thanks PV for posting this. A post that many here should read carefully

[IroNat]

Please tell me where. In most if not all european countries one needs a precription for them. And doctors can get their licence revogued if they prescribed them randomly.

Bulgaria, Columbia, Egypt, India, Iran, Israel, Lebanon, Pakistan, Russia, Serbia, Sri Lanka, Syria and the Ukraine

[mphgrove]

Here's one of buselmos posts on the subject

On his comment that the sponsors are exclusively supplement and pharmacy companies but never individuals, not sure we should completely rule the presence out a sheik or sugar daddy somewhere along the line

see bulsemos post above

[IRON CROSS]

Hey, contact Plonker he was 'juice' pharmacist 

[Bevo]

Bulgaria, Columbia, Egypt, India, Iran, Israel, Lebanon, Pakistan, Russia, Serbia, Sri Lanka, Syria and the Ukraine

A lot of those aren’t European countries