Bodybuilding and health

[oldtimer1]

Is bodybuilding an attribute to health or a negative?  There are no legitimate studies on long time androgen use because of the hidden illegal use of the drugs.  Empirical knowledge will lead someone who isn't rationalization their use that it increases the likelihood of heart disease and strokes besides messing up the hormones in a person.  Outside of this it's the joint issues. I've been lifting for well over 40 years. Been  around the game a long time.  All the 400lbs bench press guys that I know are a mess of orthopedic problems. The deadlift raw champion in my gym doesn't deadlift anymore because his back hurts. Arnold, Draper, Zane and a host of others have had wrecked shoulders.  Big Lou I believe has had his knee and hip replaced. Clarence Bass and John Grimek had their hip operations. I don't have to mention Yates and Coleman.

Sometimes I think it's the heavy trainers who have these problems but many are not. Chris Dickerson during his best years used moderate weights with many sets using short rests between sets. He can barely walk now. Granted he is old and he used to Olympic lift for athletic points during his AAU Mr. America days. Then you have guys like Danny Padilla who seems in great orthopedic shape.

Thought my body was bullet proof until I reached 55. Then my perfect shoulders started giving me a ton of trouble. Now in my 60's my left elbow, knee and I just hurt my Achilles but that's my fault.  I was a sprinter in college and decided to do 40 yard repeats. Thought I was flying until the 4th one. Then bam. Reality said you are an old man.  Limped to my car.

Will problems affect all? Of course not. Just like some life long smokers will live to be 80 something. It's still a risk to health.  Thinking about ways for an older trainer to work out while minimizing the damage. Should it be volume over low set intensity to failure?  

Yates said something to the effect that if you want to be your best you have to red line your training. When you do you increase the odds of the race car blowing up. His words were different but the sentiments I wrote are the same.

Old age is something no one can beat. Just would like to arrive in the best possible way.  I have some inspirations. One 73 year old guy in my gym lifts heavy and sprints like a young man.  He has a clear young man's voice and said he has some minor ortho issues but for the most part his body works. Another is a guy I know. He retired down to Florida and his wife died. He use to jog a couple miles every once in awhile in his adult life. He was lonely knowing no one in Florida so he joined a running club.  He was so dedicated to running soon he was doing around 20 miles at a pop.  He became the World champion for his 70's age group in the marathon. The guy then could do close to 7 minutes miles for 26 miles.  Now he's over 75 and I believe in a new age bracket. He is slowing down but I bet he can still be World champ again in his age bracket.

If this post stinks I will start putting up pictures of hot chicks.  Real young ones. No one over 60.  

[dan18]

Is bodybuilding an attribute to health or a negative?  There are no legitimate studies on long time androgen use because of the hidden illegal use of the drugs.  Empirical knowledge will lead someone who isn't rationalization their use that it increases the likelihood of heart disease and strokes besides messing up the hormones in a person.  Outside of this it's the joint issues. I've been lifting for well over 40 years. Been  around the game a long time.  All the 400lbs bench press guys that I know are a mess of orthopedic problems. The deadlift raw champion in my gym doesn't deadlift anymore because his back hurts. Arnold, Draper, Zane and a host of others have had wrecked shoulders.  Big Lou I believe has had his knee and hip replaced. Clarence Bass and John Grimek had their hip operations. I don't have to mention Yates and Coleman.

Sometimes I think it's the heavy trainers who have these problems but many are not. Chris Dickerson during his best years used moderate weights with many sets using short rests between sets. He can barely walk now. Granted he is old and he used to Olympic lift for athletic points during his AAU Mr. America days. Then you have guys like Danny Padilla who seems in great orthopedic shape.

Thought my body was bullet proof until I reached 55. Then my perfect shoulders started giving me a ton of trouble. Now in my 60's my left elbow, knee and I just hurt my Achilles but that's my fault.  I was a sprinter in college and decided to do 40 yard repeats. Thought I was flying until the 4th one. Then bam. Reality said you are an old man.  Limped to my car.

Will problems affect all? Of course not. Just like some life long smokers will live to be 80 something. It's still a risk to health.  Thinking about ways for an older trainer to work out while minimizing the damage. Should it be volume over low set intensity to failure?  

Yates said something to the effect that if you want to be your best you have to red line your training. When you do you increase the odds of the race car blowing up. His words were different but the sentiments I wrote are the same.

Old age is something no one can beat. Just would like to arrive in the best possible way.  I have some inspirations. One 73 year old guy in my gym lifts heavy and sprints like a young man.  He has a clear young man's voice and said he has some minor ortho issues but for the most part his body works. Another is a guy I know. He retired down to Florida and his wife died. He use to jog a couple miles every once in awhile in his adult life. He was lonely knowing no one in Florida so he joined a running club.  He was so dedicated to running soon he was doing around 20 miles at a pop.  He became the World champion for his 70's age group in the marathon. The guy then could do close to 7 minutes miles for 26 miles.  Now he's over 75 and I believe in a new age bracket. He is slowing down but I bet he can still be World champ again in his age bracket.

If this post stinks I will start putting up pictures of hot chicks.  Real young ones. No one over 60.  

everything else is like blah blah blah 

[dan18]

I get what your saying but lets be honest take away the crazy heavy lifting drugs training is a great way to improve over all circulation heart strength muscle growth.. And at the end of the day I know guys who have never smoked.only drank on weekends great shape and then have a heart attack at 35 40 years old its genetic. so would you rather live like a fat slob who cant get it up or at least have a good build into your 50s and 60s ..

[Atlas pump]

People who think taking steroids, training and bulking is healthy 


I'd wager to say people who exercise on a treadmill a few times a week and work a job that requires movement and moderate labour are far healthier then the latter

[Powerlift66]

Heavy lifting over ones life is not beneficial to joints, connective tissue, thickens the heart, etc.
Add drugs to that and it cannot help. Extended steroid use w/ out coming off and no monitoring is not good, (think Don "Ripper" Ross, and many others).
Blood thickens, etc.

Small doses, short cycles (like one 12-week a year w/ TRT the rest of the time), w/ Dr. intervention, probably safe. (And I mean low - like 250 mg test, 250 Deca, no orals).
All the TRT studies that report the negative affects are on older, non-trained, unhealthy subjects. Running isn't too good for the body (pounds the joints).

I think a mixture of smart cardio (not joint pounding), smart training (not ridiculously heavy all the time) and plenty of blood work could be healthy for aging folks.
Some day Ill take my own advice's. At least I monitor health constantly. (Quarterly bloods, pay for tests out of pocket that insurance wont (coronary CT calcium score) and so on.

[IroNat]

I believe that, aside from obvious poor personal health habits (drugs, smoking, obesity, sedentary lifestyle, etc.), your lifespan is just about pre-determined.

You are not going to extend your lifespan by exercising all the time, special diet, etc.

Quality of life yes, as long as you think spending many hours exercising is quality of life.  If you hate to exercise that might not be quality of life.

[ratherbebig]

here's my formula for healthy body:

bodyweight only excercise. (think military, chins, dips etc)
walking.
swimming.
yoga.

[Joe Valentino]

here's my formula for healthy body:

bodyweight only excercise. (think military, chins, dips etc)
walking.
swimming.
yoga.

I thought you didn't train at all

[oldtimer1]

I get what your saying but lets be honest take away the crazy heavy lifting drugs training is a great way to improve over all circulation heart strength muscle growth.. And at the end of the day I know guys who have never smoked.only drank on weekends great shape and then have a heart attack at 35 40 years old its genetic. so would you rather live like a fat slob who cant get it up or at least have a good build into your 50s and 60s ..

Of course genetics rule. It's a matter of putting risk factors in your favor.

[ratherbebig]

I thought you didn't train at all

i train very intensive training like dorian

[oldtimer1]

here's my formula for healthy body:

bodyweight only excercise. (think military, chins, dips etc)
walking.
swimming.
yoga.

Might be the best thing anyone could do.

[oldtimer1]

Heavy lifting over ones life is not beneficial to joints, connective tissue, thickens the heart, etc.
Add drugs to that and it cannot help. Extended steroid use w/ out coming off and no monitoring is not good, (think Don "Ripper" Ross, and many others).
Blood thickens, etc.

Small doses, short cycles (like one 12-week a year w/ TRT the rest of the time), w/ Dr. intervention, probably safe. (And I mean low - like 250 mg test, 250 Deca, no orals).
All the TRT studies that report the negative affects are on older, non-trained, unhealthy subjects. Running isn't too good for the body (pounds the joints).

I think a mixture of smart cardio (not joint pounding), smart training (not ridiculously heavy all the time) and plenty of blood work could be healthy for aging folks.
Some day Ill take my own advice's. At least I monitor health constantly. (Quarterly bloods, pay for tests out of pocket that insurance wont (coronary CT calcium score) and so on.

The problem with blood tests is that something close to 40% of all clog heart attacks as opposed to electrical happen to people with good blood tests reference cholesterol.  Heart attacks are the number one killer of man.  It needs to be trained like any other muscle for health.  Blood tests are important but you also need to know your VO2 max to know the strength of your heart. You need an working EKG on treadmill. An EKG resting doesn't provide enough information. You need to know your resting heart beat. A stronger heart beats less at rest.  Many cardio athletes are under 50 beats per minute. Visceral fat and subcutaneous fat levels are important too.   I remember talking to Viator about health and he was adamant that his blood tests were perfect. I think he died from a heart attack about a year later.

Doctor Ken Cooper said in his decades of research said cardio will extend life.  Not enough will not and too much has a leveling off benefit. In his most simplest terms he wrote if anyone runs over 3 miles a day they are doing it to become a better athlete and not to improve their health.

Putting risk factors in your favor can extend your life and put vigor in the amount of life you have left. How many people live to 80 but they are sick, weak and miserable their last 30 years? 

Exercise is no panacea or cure all. 9 times out of 10 the guy who exercises, eats right and gets rest will have greater health/life expectancy than a fat guy who is a couch potato eating cup cakes watching tv.

[Pet shop boys]

People who think taking steroids, training and bulking is healthy 


I'd wager to say people who exercise on a treadmill a few times a week and work a job that requires movement and moderate labour are far healthier then the latter

Exactly!  not to mention the MAJOR EXPENSE in drugs, food  and keeping yourself away from partying and socializing  (living a real life)



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[Pet shop boys]

Take Palumbo ,

He was a healthy sprinter who switched to bodybuilding , in the process He torn his entire body, stress weaken  organs got BALD  Palumboism and never even won a pro card ….. everything he has now is thanks to his dedication as a guru'- coach, journalist, Supp dealer  etc …  all that could have been achieved without the heavy abuse of steroids  Palumboism and surgeries .


I use Palumbo as the perfect example because in the new RX video he is interviewing Bostin and is kind of sad how the conversation is entirely on how  they need drugs  to lift, drugs to get a hard on , drugs to get the wife pregnant, drugs to feel pumped  etc ….


All while Palumbo is wearing a t shirt with a cartoon of himself on jacked and huge .




WoooSHHHHHHHHH    fack this charade

[_bruce_]

Getting small and useless just angers the gods - better visit an indian tribe and have them prepare a "magic tee" for you.

[ratherbebig]

good point

like the queen song (no homo) who wants to live forever

[illuminati]

Take Palumbo ,

He was a healthy sprinter who switched to bodybuilding , in the process He torn his entire body, stress weaken  organs got BALD  Palumboism and never even won a pro card ….. everything he has now is thanks to his dedication as a guru'- coach, journalist, Supp dealer  etc …  all that could have been achieved without the heavy abuse of steroids  Palumboism and surgeries .


I use Palumbo as the perfect example because in the new RX video he is interviewing Bostin and is kind of sad how the conversation is entirely on how  they need drugs  to lift, drugs to get a hard on , drugs to get the wife pregnant, drugs to feel pumped  etc ….


All while Palumbo is wearing a t shirt with a cartoon of himself on jacked and huge .




WoooSHHHHHHHHH    fack this charade

It’s life in these times - There’s a Alcoholic drink of every variety for all occasions
A Pill Or Powder For Every Occasion
Drugs are an integral part of Modern Day Living - Like it or Not
Doctors / Hospitals/ Pubs / The House Down the Road all Dispensing one type of
Drug or another.

I see Drugs Pervading every aspect of Life it’s Not Just In Bodybuilding- Granted
It maybe more obvious because of the Muscle Mass & openness.

[ratherbebig]

It’s life in these times - There’s a Alcoholic drink of every variety for all occasions
A Pill Or Powder For Every Occasion
Drugs are an integral part of Modern Day Living - Like it or Not
Doctors / Hospitals/ Pubs / The House Down the Road all Dispensing one type of
Drug or another.

I see Drugs Pervading every aspect of Life it’s Not Just In Bodybuilding- Granted
It maybe more obvious because of the Muscle Mass & openness.

[IroNat]

Your arteries start clogging up in your teens.

All the running, cardio, and strict dieting will not stop it.

It's part of your DNA.

Some people have it bad and some don't.  It's how they are wired.

Different people age differently.  Their bodies break down differently.  They get different diseases.

People don't want to accept this because they want to control their fate.  

Unfortunately, it's really out of their hands.  Yes, you can have a bypass or stent put it if you discover a clog in time but this is mechanical fix.

The best things you can do to live to your max is avoid things like smoking, harmful drug use, excessive alcohol consumption, dangerous activities, wear a seat belt, avoid excessive sun exposure, avoid radiation, etc.

[ratherbebig]

The best things you can do to live to your max is to not live at all.

[oldtimer1]

Cardio and diet is incredibly important to heart health. Heart attacks are the number one killer of man. Sure some runners will die from a heart attack but it has prevented more heart attacks than it has caused.  The first thing a cardiologist does for a patient recovering from a heart attack during rehab is cardio.

1. The heart is a muscle and it needs to be trained.
2. Cardio lowers the resting heart rate showing the muscle is stronger and more efficient.
3. Cardio lowers subcutaneous and visceral fat that leads to metabolic disorders.
4. Cardio lowers blood fats in the form of triglycerides.
5. Cardio lowers blood sugar.
6. Cardio increases capillaries around the heart which can mean the difference between life and death during a heart attack.
7. Cardio in the form of running increases bone density and balance.
8. For some cardio lowers blood pressure.
9. Cardio increases High density lipids and moves the HDL to LDL ratios  to favorable  .
10. Cardio improves mood. 
11. Most real athletic endeavors requires cardio shape like boxing, wrestling, soccer, basketball and so many others. 

Far too many people who hate cardio are out of shape and can't stand the work it takes because it's too hard for them.  Saw three guys from the posh gym in town enter a charity 5K  representing the gym wearing their shirt. I guess the gym wanted their muscular trainers in the race for free publicity.  The three guys barely finished sucking wind as chubby soccer moms jogged past them.  Just embarrassing. If bodybuilders had to show their heart muscle they would train it hard. Having a big engine in a fight is useless if you have a small gas tank.

[Tennisballz]

Cardio and diet is incredibly important to heart health. Heart attacks are the number one killer of man. Sure some runners will die from a heart attack but it has prevented more heart attacks than it has caused.  The first thing a cardiologist does for a patient recovering from a heart attack during rehab is cardio.

1. The heart is a muscle and it needs to be trained.
2. Cardio lowers the resting heart rate showing the muscle is stronger and more efficient.
3. Cardio lowers subcutaneous and visceral fat that leads to metabolic disorders.
4. Cardio lowers blood fats in the form of triglycerides.
5. Cardio lowers blood sugar.
6. Cardio increases capillaries around the heart which can mean the difference between life and death during a heart attack.
7. Cardio in the form of running increases bone density and balance.
8. For some cardio lowers blood pressure.
9. Cardio increases High density lipids and moves the HDL to LDL ratios  to favorable  .
10. Cardio improves mood. 
11. Most real athletic endeavors requires cardio shape like boxing, wrestling, soccer, basketball and so many others. 

Far too many people who hate cardio are out of shape and can't stand the work it takes because it's too hard for them.  Saw three guys from the posh gym in town enter a charity 5K  representing the gym wearing their shirt. I guess the gym wanted their muscular trainers in the race for free publicity.  The three guys barely finished sucking wind as chubby soccer moms jogged past them.  Just embarrassing. If bodybuilders had to show their heart muscle they would train it hard. Having a big engine in a fight is useless if you have a small gas tank.

pretty much this right here.  Honestly most of us would probably be better off just playing a sport and doing a bunch of pushups and pull-ups a few times per week.  I do enjoy lifting though.

[judochoke]

I started lifting after seeing Rory leidelmeyer guess pose when I was 19. been lifting ever cents. now at age 62. I feel like lifting weights is the best thing I have ever done in my life. I powerlifter from age 30 to age 40, winning a lot of trophies. had a blast during this time, meet a lot of great people that I still see once in a while. from 40 to 55 did judo and mma training. had a garage thing going with full matts. trained a lot of young kids, had a blast during this time also, meeting great people. threw it all, I lifted, never haveing a long break except when I got sick.

now at age 62, my knees are shot. big time, I dont think squatting 600 pounds was the best thing I could have done for myself. but I can still walk on the treadmill, which I do 4 to 5 days a week. and I still can lift very heavy, just recently getting 11 reps with 315 on the bench press.
but now I lift fast, only 60 seconds between sets. at the end of 45 minutes im soaking in sweat. its still a great fucking feeling to walk out of the gym pumped up and sweating. almost better than sex. I see no reason to slow down, but I have made concessions. i dont deadlift, or do bent over rows anymore, as I feel im big enough. so I do a fast paced workout hitting all the different back machines. arms are pretty much pain free, shoulders hurt here and there, but nothing serious. could still military press the 110s if someone handed them to me.

so for me lifting has been a blessing. and Im going to lift till I croak. cant think of ever stopping. im on 75mgs of testosterone a week from my doctor. just a little taste, no more than this is perfect for me.

I see guys my age just going threw the motions at the gym and I think why?? you can still be intense at any age. I dont get there logic.

I take a statin for chol. I take blood pressue medicine, and metformin for pre diabetes. and a drug for A-FIB. and vitraga for a good boner when I need it.  im 5-10 and 268, which bothers me, but I never seem to lose weight. if I fast, I will get down to 260, but in a week im back up to 270. very weird how I cant lose weight. i do not want to Be 270, but I keep trying to lose weight.    judo

[IRON CROSS]

i train very intensive training like dorian

name gym

[Pet shop boys]

It’s life in these times - There’s a Alcoholic drink of every variety for all occasions
A Pill Or Powder For Every Occasion
Drugs are an integral part of Modern Day Living - Like it or Not
Doctors / Hospitals/ Pubs / The House Down the Road all Dispensing one type of
Drug or another.

I see Drugs Pervading every aspect of Life it’s Not Just In Bodybuilding- Granted
It maybe more obvious because of the Muscle Mass & openness.

Yeah … but the thread is about how healthy bodybuilding is  …  I'm sure you'll  always find something worse to do and with less dedication/ effort .



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