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Re: Bodybuilding and health
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2019, 07:24:14 PM »
Take Palumbo ,

He was a healthy sprinter who switched to bodybuilding , in the process He torn his entire body, stress weaken  organs got BALD  Palumboism and never even won a pro card ….. everything he has now is thanks to his dedication as a guru'- coach, journalist, Supp dealer  etc …  all that could have been achieved without the heavy abuse of steroids  Palumboism and surgeries .


I use Palumbo as the perfect example because in the new RX video he is interviewing Bostin and is kind of sad how the conversation is entirely on how  they need drugs  to lift, drugs to get a hard on , drugs to get the wife pregnant, drugs to feel pumped  etc ….


All while Palumbo is wearing a t shirt with a cartoon of himself on jacked and huge . ;D




WoooSHHHHHHHHH    fack this charade


lolol.. Brutal truth.
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Re: Bodybuilding and health
« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2019, 08:32:06 PM »
I rode a bike one time 500 miles in five days in 90 degree heat in Iowa. I had trouble sitting down for the plane ride home. It wasn't a race. Just a tour but this inexperience bike rider was hurting. Did you know Kalman the guy that beat Mentzer in the Universe competes in age group bike races now? I don't know if you know Joe Means.
Combining a serious cardio  with hard lifting is definitely a hard juggle. As you know most lifters do a joke of a cardio program. The inverse is also true. Guys riding a bike or putting in serious miles running often have a non challenging lifting routines. Hard to find the balance.  If you have any ideas I would like to hear it. Send a personal message or write here. I try to alternate a lifting a day and running a day when everything is going well.

500 miles in 5 days is quite a feat! At least in races we have a pack to share the pace with!

I know of Kal- never raced much on the West Coast ( just LA a few times) but I know he dropped a lot of weight and was a very good rider.  

The best way I have found for mixing cardio with weights is I never do anything in the lactic acid zone. That really stresses your body too much. So I do 4-6 rep sets at most lifting ( twice a week full body)  and I keep my heart rate below the anaerobic threshold ( AT) while cycling. I rarely go into lactic acid pain anymore. I don’t do any thigh work with weights because they get overdone with cycling. For quads I do 10 second power intervals on my bike.

The high intensity cardio workouts like Tabata or HIIT, absolutely destroy my cardio system after 2-3 weeks. By staying at or below my AT in cycling I can hold 23-25 mph no problem on fast group rides or training races.

So my weekly routine is weights Monday and Thursday, and 1 hr+ bike rides Sat/Sun and Tues/Wed. Bike sprints Tuesday and Saturday. I take a day off from working out whenever I feel overcooked and just resume the routine the next day

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Re: Bodybuilding and health
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2019, 07:31:21 PM »
500 miles in 5 days is quite a feat! At least in races we have a pack to share the pace with!

I know of Kal- never raced much on the West Coast ( just LA a few times) but I know he dropped a lot of weight and was a very good rider.  

The best way I have found for mixing cardio with weights is I never do anything in the lactic acid zone. That really stresses your body too much. So I do 4-6 rep sets at most lifting ( twice a week full body)  and I keep my heart rate below the anaerobic threshold ( AT) while cycling. I rarely go into lactic acid pain anymore. I don’t do any thigh work with weights because they get overdone with cycling. For quads I do 10 second power intervals on my bike.

The high intensity cardio workouts like Tabata or HIIT, absolutely destroy my cardio system after 2-3 weeks. By staying at or below my AT in cycling I can hold 23-25 mph no problem on fast group rides or training races.

So my weekly routine is weights Monday and Thursday, and 1 hr+ bike rides Sat/Sun and Tues/Wed. Bike sprints Tuesday and Saturday. I take a day off from working out whenever I feel overcooked and just resume the routine the next day

The way I've been handling it for around 3 to 4 years is to weight train three days a week. Monday is Back and chest. Wednesday is legs. Friday is delts and arms. I run on Tuesday and Thursdays. I always have plans to have a third cardio day but more often than not I'm shot.  I know it's not enough cardio. On the weight side I use in general 6 to 8 work sets per body part.

On occasion I throw in a Yates routine week. It really saves time but the brutal nature of giving that one red hot set to failure is brutal.  The routines are short though and that's great. Roughly 45 minutes or less. This allows for more cardio.  It does play a number on my mind knowing every time I pick up a weight it's taken to death. LOL. I split the body the same as Yates. Monday is chest and bicep. Tuesday is legs. Wednesday is off. Thursday is back. Friday is delts and triceps. Even though the workouts are short I found the CNS exhaustion from going to failure so many times often ruins a cardio session after.

Maybe your approach of two full body routines is a great way to go. I fully understand why you don't train legs in the weight room. It would be too much with the cycling. Actor Brad Harris did the same but he was a runner. He only trained upper body saying it would be too hard on the legs with all the running he did. He did both sprints, middle distance and long. He trained with a split from an interview I read. He did three exercises per body part with three sets per exercise. Using 12 reps a set. When I did a whole body routine it was brutal. Who said it's a beginner routine? It's harder than a split routine. I did it three times a week. What I did was possible over kill.

Power cleans 3 x 3 then 1 x 1
Squats 2 x 8 then 1 x 1
Lunges 1 x 8
Dumbbell flat bench 2 x 8
Pullups 2 x max
Seated lat pulley rows 2 x 12
Military press 2 x 8
Dumbbell laterals 2 x 10
Weighted dips 2 x 10
barbell curls 2 x 10
calf raises 2 x 15
Hanging leg raises 2 x max
neck work.

I pushed the intensity and felt like it was like running sprints to exhaustion. I did notice rapid strength gains. Training a lift three times a week definitely rapidly increase strength as opposed to once a week. I just felt cardio was hard to do on days off because of the exhaustion.

Anyway I'm determined to figure out the best way for me to combine the two of weights and cardio. Maybe dropping a day on the whole body and doing it twice a week like you do is the path to Nirvana.  ;D The photo below is of previously mentioned Brad Harris. I think he was about 55 in that picture.

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Re: Bodybuilding and health
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2019, 08:22:30 PM »

Maybe your approach of two full body routines is a great way to go. I fully understand why you don't train legs in the weight room. It would be too much with the cycling. Actor Brad Harris did the same but he was a runner. He only trained upper body saying it would be too hard on the legs with all the running he did. He did both sprints, middle distance and long. He trained with a split from an interview I read. He did three exercises per body part with three sets per exercise. Using 12 reps a set. When I did a whole body routine it was brutal. Who said it's a beginner routine? It's harder than a split routine. I did it three times a week. What I did was possible over kill.


I pushed the intensity and felt like it was like running sprints to exhaustion. I did notice rapid strength gains. Training a lift three times a week definitely rapidly increase strength as opposed to once a week. I just felt cardio was hard to do on days off because of the exhaustion.

Anyway I'm determined to figure out the best way for me to combine the two of weights and cardio. Maybe dropping a day on the whole body and doing it twice a week like you do is the path to Nirvana.  ;D The photo below is of previously mentioned Brad Harris. I think he was about 55 in that picture.

That Brad Harris pic is awesome- the guy is /was very fit!

Your weight routine actually sounds good- just slanted towards muscle building. I emphasize the cardio component over the weight component because I started as a cyclist at a very young age.  I feel great riding 4 days a week and it keeps my weight down. I never go to the max in cardio- and that is why I use a heart monitor. My threshold pulse (AT) is 170-173 bpm so I ride under that - normally 145-160. Every ride feels good when you stay away from lactate.

My 5x5 weight routine has evolved. It has ended up as a hybrid Bill Starr routine in just two days. Monday is my heavy day, Thursday is at 80%. I concentrate on heavy bench/row/military/dips and pulldowns. In the winter when I cut my cycling back I do squats, leg curls and calf raises. In season I skip legs as I said before.

The pic below is me racing. I'm not a big guy by any stretch but I am 190 and 5'9 in that pic. Its from 5 years ago. Just doing the routine I have outlined here.

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Re: Bodybuilding and health
« Reply #54 on: July 19, 2019, 06:33:51 AM »
A lean 190 at 5'9" is a lot of muscle. We are about the same size but I look my best around 175lbs. When I use to bike I never rode the speed you did. I was just a hobby biker. I rode my miles between 15 and 18 MPH. I was a much better runner. Now on the rare occasions I ride a bike. I'm on a Hybrid on a dirt trail. Not conducive to high speed but I feel I get the same work out.

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Re: Bodybuilding and health
« Reply #55 on: July 19, 2019, 01:04:33 PM »
some guys do anything as an excuse to wear spandex shorts

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« Reply #56 on: July 19, 2019, 01:56:04 PM »
some guys do anything as an excuse to wear spandex shorts

And yet you masturbate over guys with thongs, lol You are such a piece of work Rob 😁

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Re: Bodybuilding and health
« Reply #57 on: July 19, 2019, 01:58:15 PM »
And yet you masturbate over guys with thongs, lol You are such a piece of work Rob 😁

still not rob.

but anyway, i think having a saddle up your ass is the real reason youre on a bike.

and that you can wear spandex. with a hole in them.

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Re: Bodybuilding and health
« Reply #58 on: July 19, 2019, 02:17:31 PM »
still not rob.

but anyway, i think having a saddle up your ass is the real reason youre on a bike.

and that you can wear spandex. with a hole in them.


bike riding is #.2 sport (after football) in your little country  :D

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Re: Bodybuilding and health
« Reply #59 on: July 19, 2019, 02:20:59 PM »
A lean 190 at 5'9" is a lot of muscle. We are about the same size but I look my best around 175lbs. When I use to bike I never rode the speed you did. I was just a hobby biker. I rode my miles between 15 and 18 MPH. I was a much better runner. Now on the rare occasions I ride a bike I'm on a Hybrid on a dirt trail. Not conducive to high speed but I feel I get the same work out.

Yes, a lean 190 for anyone under 6 ft tall is very good, especially for someone that is 5’9

The leanest I’ve ever been was 198 at around 6 or 7 percent, at 6’2

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Re: Bodybuilding and health
« Reply #60 on: July 19, 2019, 03:43:22 PM »

Dump her, get young 1!.

She is young. Only 59.   ???

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Re: Bodybuilding and health
« Reply #61 on: July 20, 2019, 10:14:54 PM »
Negative in my case, imo. Burned out joints, atrophy, nerve damage by 32. Hey, at least I'm not fat!

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Re: Bodybuilding and health
« Reply #62 on: July 21, 2019, 04:18:45 AM »
Doesn't riding a racing bike a lot make you sterile?

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« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2019, 07:39:21 AM »
Doesn't riding a racing bike a lot make you sterile?

No, for some it caused impotency from crushing a nerve in your crotch that all your weight goes on when you ride for 4 hours on a bike. Now they make the seats with a cut out so the nerve doesn't have pressure on it. When I went on my bike riding kick for five years or so it never happened to me. It does have to some. If I couldn't get it up because of bike riding the bike would be in the garbage.