New James Bond

[Pray_4_War]

So what have we learned? 

(1)Most black characters are centered around their race.  They don't do much of anything except be black. 

(2)Famous black men do a lot of raping.

[Kwon]

Cant wait to see a mexican john wick.

At least we got a Mexican Terminator called T-Juan1000 in the upcoming Termie-film!

[Fortress]

Black people look like monkeys.

[Flexacon]

Black people look like monkeys.

The funny part about that is that the Chinese think whites look like monkeys.

Many whites in China are often randomly handed bananas by the Chinese.

Truth is, as a group every race is racist. Whites being at the top of the food chain are generally the only ones getting called out on it though.

[Fortress]

The funny part about that is that the Chinese think whites look like monkeys.

Many whites in China are often randomly handed bananas by the Chinese.

Truth is, as a group every race is racist. Whites being at the top of the food chain are generally the only ones getting called out on it though.

If I could be another animal I’d choose to be a gorilla.

[illuminati]

The funny part about that is that the Chinese think whites look like monkeys.

Many whites in China are often randomly handed bananas by the Chinese.

Truth is, as a group every race is racist. Whites being at the top of the food chain are generally the only ones getting called out on it though.

And who Really cares about a silly word like Racist  
As you stated Truth is we’re all inherently racist so it’s a useless label
To try and bash someone with.

[Al Doggity]

Madea's whole gimmick is that she's black. That's what the character is.  Fat black woman who says "Oh Lawd" and shit like that.

Martin is just a funny black guy.  A representation of a black man from his generation.  He doesn't do anything but be black.  They aren't going to be making Martin movies 30 years from now with some young actor taking over the role.

Bill Cosby's character was just a representation of an affluent black family.  Fat Albert  would have been a better example from Cosby.  That's something that could live on after Cosby passes away but won't now because of all the drugging and raping.

Boondocks is funny and has popular characters so I'd count that....but if you really look at it, again it's just a representation of black people doing and saying black people stuff.  If you took race out of that show, what's left?  Nothing.

A black dude was the puppeteer for Elmo but be didn't create sesame street.  Grover and Cookie Monster and all that shit was created by someone else.  He came in later and piggybacked off of it...and he had to resign because of multiple accusations of sex with minors.

So, just like I predicted, a bunch of made up new reasons why black characters "don't count".  We've learned that there are no popular black characters because if they are too black for you, they don't count.   People dress up as Martin episodes for Halloween every year, but no one will remember him in the future.  The guy who invented Elmo just piggybacked off of the success of the show, even though the character he created is far and away the most popular and profitable.  And also, sex scandals are actually true as long as they involve black people and they also retroactively erase black people's work... which doesn't even count anyway, if it was too black or not black enough.  

That about covers it, right?   So, yeah, when you create  such narrow parameters that literally nothing can be included, you would be right that there are no popular black character created by blacks. You can be right about almost anything when you play by these nonsense rules.

eta Just out of curiosity, do these same rules apply to other races? For instance, a lot of people consider  Seinfeld to be an iconic show with iconic characters, but that show was filled with Jewish stereotypes. And it advertised itself as a show about nothing. Would you say that most of the characters on that show wouldn't be considered iconic because they were too Jewish?

What about regular old white characters? does the same thing apply to them?

[Al Doggity]

And who Really cares about a silly word like Racist  
As you stated Truth is we’re all inherently racist so it’s a useless label
To try and bash someone with.

So, why is everyone getting so bent out of shape over a black chick being in a James Bond movies?

[illuminati]

So, why is everyone getting so bent out of shape over a black chick being in a James Bond movies?

Not that I’m a bond film expert, only I’m sure I’ve seen Black women in Bond films so what’s the issue.
If They’re lining a Black Woman up as Jane Bond the lead Character Then That’s Just
Fucking Stupid.

[Griffith]

The funny part about that is that the Chinese think whites look like monkeys.

Many whites in China are often randomly handed bananas by the Chinese.

Truth is, as a group every race is racist. Whites being at the top of the food chain are generally the only ones getting called out on it though.

Except most white people don't care what they think, as they don't have an inferiority complex.

China has been repeatedly invaded, occupied and defeated by foreign nations so they have some issues.

[illuminati]

Except most white people don't care what they think, as they don't have an inferiority complex.

China has been repeatedly invaded, occupied and defeated by foreign nations so they have some issues.

Yes they have some issues
Slanty Fooking eyes & Yellow skin just to start with

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[MAXX]

The funny part about that is that the Chinese think whites look like monkeys.

Many whites in China are often randomly handed bananas by the Chinese.

Truth is, as a group every race is racist. Whites being at the top of the food chain are generally the only ones getting called out on it though.

lol not true

Chinese beauty ideals are towards european white.

The rich females operate on their eyes, noses even jaw reconstruction to look more european.

[illuminati]

lol not true

Chinese beauty ideals are towards european white.

The rich females operate on their eyes, noses even jaw reconstruction to look more european.

Can you Blame Them.

[Pray_4_War]

So, just like I predicted, a bunch of made up new reasons why black characters "don't count".  We've learned that there are no popular black characters because if they are too black for you, they don't count.   People dress up as Martin episodes for Halloween every year, but no one will remember him in the future.  The guy who invented Elmo just piggybacked off of the success of the show, even though the character he created is far and away the most popular and profitable.  And also, sex scandals are actually true as long as they involve black people and they also retroactively erase black people's work... which doesn't even count anyway, if it was too black or not black enough.  

That about covers it, right?   So, yeah, when you create  such narrow parameters that literally nothing can be included, you would be right that there are no popular black character created by blacks. You can be right about almost anything when you play by these nonsense rules.

eta Just out of curiosity, do these same rules apply to other races? For instance, a lot of people consider  Seinfeld to be an iconic show with iconic characters, but that show was filled with Jewish stereotypes. And it advertised itself as a show about nothing. Would you say that most of the characters on that show wouldn't be considered iconic because they were too Jewish?

What about regular old white characters? does the same thing apply to them?

It's not that they don't count.  I think my larger point is that many of the popular, established, black characters are largely centered around the fact that they are black.  If you took race out of the equation, the characters would cease to be.  Also, it is extremely unlikely that they would live on in different incarnations after the original person stopped doing the character or passed away.  It doesn't mean that they aren't entertaining or beloved characters.  They are just more narrow.

For comparison I'll talk about Batman.  Batman isn't just a wealthy white person from Gotham.  He is a wealthy person whose parents were murdered by a street thug when he was a child.  As a reaction to his grief he trained himself to fight, dressed up like a bat and became a vigilant.  There is more to him, than what he looks like, where he's from, how he talks, etc.  I'm not saying you should, but you could make Batman any race.  A Chinese Batman is still essentially the same character.  Batman will live on for hundreds of years, maybe more, because it is centered around man's fear of loss and his desire to exert control over his circumstances.  It has depth.

I just think black people should stop taking over old white characters and start creating their own interesting characters outside of simple racial stereotypes........and yes Seinfeld is a racial stereotype.  There will be no Mexican Seinfeld reboot 20 years from now.  Seinfeld is about eccentric New York Jews....period.

[Flexacon]

lol not true

Chinese beauty ideals are towards european white.

The rich females operate on their eyes, noses even jaw reconstruction to look more european.

So just like white women who tan their skin and black women who straighten their hair...

In fairness it happens mainly in backwater parts of China.

[Al Doggity]

It's not that they don't count.  I think my larger point is that many of the popular, established, black characters are largely centered around the fact that they are black.  If you took race out of the equation, the characters would cease to be.  Also, it is extremely unlikely that they would live on in different incarnations after the original person stopped doing the character or passed away.  It doesn't mean that they aren't entertaining or beloved characters.  They are just more narrow.

For comparison I'll talk about Batman.  Batman isn't just a wealthy white person from Gotham.  He is a wealthy person whose parents were murdered by a street thug when he was a child.  As a reaction to his grief he trained himself to fight, dressed up like a bat and became a vigilant.  There is more to him, than what he looks like, where he's from, how he talks, etc.  I'm not saying you should, but you could make Batman any race.  A Chinese Batman is still essentially the same character.  Batman will live on for hundreds of years, maybe more, because it is centered around man's fear of loss and his desire to exert control over his circumstances.  It has depth.

I just think black people should stop taking over old white characters and start creating their own interesting characters outside of simple racial stereotypes........and yes Seinfeld is a racial stereotype.  There will be no Mexican Seinfeld reboot 20 years from now.  Seinfeld is about eccentric New York Jews....period.

When I engage in these racial debates on here, I never expect to just hear a flat out "ur right", but when the arguments start barely clinging to logic, I feel like that's close enough.

You're not describing a character. You're describing a  backstory. It seems like you're attempting to narrow down the idea of what a character is specifically to a superhero franchise. It's a hamfisted way to get around admitting that you're original assertion was wrong, but it also precludes most other characters in film and television, regardless of race. Then Tony Soprano's not a great character. Peter Griffin's not a great character.Ray Barrone isn't a great character. Which would be bullshit, because they all are. So was the Seinfeld cast. Having  specific ethnic or geographical characteristics doesn't make that less so.
 

And no, most popular black characters don't just boil down to being black. The Martin show had 5 leads, all black, all different. They dealt with situations from a black perspective, but they were all fleshed out characters who had more qualities than their race.  The fact that all 5 of the leads were so different proves that.

 

[G_Thang]

Black people look like monkeys.

The funny part about that is that the Chinese think whites look like monkeys.

Many whites in China are often randomly handed bananas by the Chinese.

Truth is, as a group every race is racist. Whites being at the top of the food chain are generally the only ones getting called out on it though.

I bet that just pucked with your psyche.  And you thought you were the pinnacle of attractiveness, right, douche?    

[Flexacon]

I bet that just pucked with your psyche.  And you thought you were the pinnacle of attractiveness, right, douche?    

You are correct. My psyche did get a good phucking.

I'm just glad I had your mum sucking on my balls to comfort me.

[Pray_4_War]

When I engage in these racial debates on here, I never expect to just hear a flat out "ur right", but when the arguments start barely clinging to logic, I feel like that's close enough.

You're not describing a character. You're describing a  backstory. It seems like you're attempting to narrow down the idea of what a character is specifically to a superhero franchise. It's a hamfisted way to get around admitting that you're original assertion was wrong, but it also precludes most other characters in film and television, regardless of race. Then Tony Soprano's not a great character. Peter Griffin's not a great character.Ray Barrone isn't a great character. Which would be bullshit, because they all are. So was the Seinfeld cast. Having  specific ethnic or geographical characteristics doesn't make that less so.
 

And no, most popular black characters don't just boil down to being black. The Martin show had 5 leads, all black, all different. They dealt with situations from a black perspective, but they were all fleshed out characters who had more qualities than their race.  The fact that all 5 of the leads were so different proves that.

 

I guess I'm thinking mainly about franchise characters that keep getting sequels and reboots and not so much television.  Maybe that's where the disconnect is between you and me on this issue.  The reason I'm looking at it from that narrow view is because the white characters that are being turned black.  Probably even more often they are being changed from white male to some type of female.  That's what's triggering me to even think about this.  In doing so it occurred to me that a lot of black characters are very much centered around their race and you really couldn't change the race of that character without completely changing their nature.  My thoughts on this issue might not be complete or 100% fair but I do think I'm pretty accurate.  I mean, I'm giving you stuff like Batman, and James Bond.....or maybe Luke Skywalker.  You are giving me forgettable characters from a shitty 90's sitcom.  lol.  Where is the good stuff?


Edited to add......

I'm trying to be fair to you here but after reading your most recent post a second time I think you are just too dumb to follow what I'm saying.   

[JuicedKangaroo]

I love to see representation like this in the movies. It will help right wing alt-right terrorists understand that not every black man is a rapist, illegal, or criminal, as they love to so vehemently judge.

You miss the point. It's disrespectful to the actor/actress in question as they're considered more for their gender/ethnicity (two virtue-signaling factors they cannot control) and then, their ability to act. Also, today I learned that if you don't like pandering to contrived diversity in film and politically correct culture, you're a "right-wing alt-right terrorist"... Nice to know.

For the record, I know plenty of great black people who are offended by the trivial tokenism we see today in the media. Get your head out of your arse.

[Al Doggity]

I guess I'm thinking mainly about franchise characters that keep getting sequels and reboots and not so much television.  Maybe that's where the disconnect is between you and me on this issue.  The reason I'm looking at it from that narrow view is because the white characters that are being turned black.  Probably even more often they are being changed from white male to some type of female.  That's what's triggering me to even think about this.  In doing so it occurred to me that a lot of black characters are very much centered around their race and you really couldn't change the race of that character without completely changing their nature.  My thoughts on this issue might not be complete or 100% fair but I do think I'm pretty accurate.  I mean, I'm giving you stuff like Batman, and James Bond.....or maybe Luke Skywalker.  You are giving me forgettable characters from a shitty 90's sitcom.  lol.  Where is the good stuff?


Edited to add......

I'm trying to be fair to you here but after reading your most recent post a second time I think you are just too dumb to follow what I'm saying.  

Yeah. I'm so dumb I can't even finish a newspaper article before whining for 5 pages about something that's not happening.

Meanwhile, you asked the question and I responded. I actually responded initially with an explanation and examples of why creating franchise characters was prohibitively difficult for minorities, and instead of following that line of convo, you asked me for any examples of black creations. In the follow up post, I gave you examples and instead of saying you were talking exclusively about franchise characters, you came up with a laundry list of reasons why those black creations didn't count as black creations. I addressed that, and sarcastically said that soon enough you'd be claiming comedy doesn't count or only a black version of James Bond counts. Instead of saying that's what you were talking about in the first place (which you weren't), you went back to your argument that those examples don't count as creations, and that no character counts if it has any racially specific element (which is insane.)  But despite all that, you actually meant what I sarcastically asked you all along? Which just goes to show, you're just making up new excuses with each post.
 
If you were asking "why haven't blacks created a black version of James Bond or Batman" you could have veered into that at any point, but you chose not to.  Besides, anyone with even a casual understanding of how the entertainment industry has worked for the last 50 years shouldn't even have to ask.

And no, I didn't give you examples of shitty forgettable 90s sitcoms. I gave you examples megasuccessful properties that spanned time. The Cosby Show was the highest rated show at its peak. Elmo has been far and away most popular and profitable character on that show for decades. The Boondocks is a multimedia franchise. Power is the most popular show on Starz and has driven that channel's growth for the last 5 years. There is an endless list of black writers, producers, creators,etc I could've referenced, but these properties fit the discussion well because they were popular and impactful. I could've talked about someone like Shonda Rhimes, but chose not to as her most popular show (which has been running for like 15 seasons) features a white actress in the lead.

[Griffith]

Yeah. I'm so dumb I can't even finish a newspaper article before whining for 5 pages about something that's not happening.

Meanwhile, you asked the question and I responded. I actually responded initially with an explanation and examples of why creating franchise characters was prohibitively difficult for minorities, and instead of following that line of convo, you asked me for any examples of black creations. In the follow up post, I gave you examples and instead of saying you were talking exclusively about franchise characters, you came up with a laundry list of reasons why those black creations didn't count as black creations. I addressed that, and sarcastically said that soon enough you'd be claiming comedy doesn't count or only a black version of James Bond counts. Instead of saying that's what you were talking about in the first place (which you weren't), you went back to your argument that those examples don't count as creations, and that no character counts if it has any racially specific element (which is insane.) But despite all that, you actually meant what I sarcastically asked you all along? Which just goes to show, you're just making up new excuses with each post.
 
If you were asking "why haven't blacks created a black version of James Bond or Batman" you could have veered into that at any point, but you chose not to. Besides, anyone with even a casual understanding of how the entertainment industry has worked for the last 50 years shouldn't even have to ask.

And no, I didn't give you examples of shitty forgettable 90s sitcoms. I gave you examples megasuccessful properties that spanned time. The Cosby Show was the highest rated show at its peak. Elmo has been far and away most popular and profitable character on that show for decades. The Boondocks is a multimedia franchise. Power is the most popular show on Starz and has driven that channel's growth for the last 5 years. There is an endless list of black writers, producers, creators,etc I could've referenced, but these properties fit the discussion well because they were popular and impactful. I could've talked about someone like Shonda Rhimes, but chose not to as her most popular show (which has been running for like 15 seasons) features a white actress in the lead.

 

[Al Doggity]

When you think you're being clever, but just proving you have poor reading comprehension skills... 

[Pray_4_War]

Al, I freely admit that my thought aren't completely fleshed out on this topic.  I just wish you would admit that that most of the few black created characters out there are very much centered around being black.

I don't think that I'm being unfair to say that.

[Pray_4_War]

I'm asking for the best black created characters and you're giving me Elmo for fucksakes.   

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