New James Bond

[DooM_]

I'm asking for the best black created characters and you're giving me Elmo for fucksakes.   

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and even with elmo that wasn't the creator , only the puppet guy . . .

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"We look at recent movies such as Wonder Woman and Mad Max, Furie Road, which use symbolic devices to replace masculine types with feminine characters."

[Al Doggity]

I'm asking for the best black created characters and you're giving me Elmo for fucksakes.  

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Now it's the best black created characters? A few pages ago there weren't any all. Every character's not gonna be Batman.  A few decades ago, even most of the characters  you named wouldn't have been taken seriously.  I gave you a wide variety, you came up with a million reasons why you don't consider them to be such. Some of those reasons directly contradicting each other. I'm glad you admit your thoughts aren't really fleshed out on the subject and I'm satisfied that you'll just keep moving goalposts the more this conversation goes on, so until there's a worthwhile development, it's safe for me to bow out for now. Point was made*.

(*and please take the easy setup I gave you with that last line. It may be the only good line you post in this thread.)

[Desolate]

It's pathetic liberal/Hollywood pandering pure and simple.

Apparently, she is going to be so-and-so agent (insert name) and get the MI-6 ID Number 007.

Bond retires and she takes his spot.

But it is still pandering.

Woman, black, probably dyke.

Why not just go full Omar Muslim?

I don't know if she already has it, then Bond comes out of retirement, or this is how the new movie ends.

If this is how it ends, well, then it is all over.

It's the same bullshit with Idris Elba.

Why not just create a new Double 0 agent? Make him 005 or 008... or 001?

You think fans would complain? A new, cool Double 00 character someone could create from scratch?

James Bond fans would be happy to be getting two such movies for every one.

Why does a black guy have to be James Bond?

Why does he have to be Captain America?

Why does Thor have to be a girl?

This is the bullshit. And is what Pray_4_War is trying to say.

You would think blacks who think of themselves as talented, would be very pissed at stuff like this, but...

You would think blacks who think of themselves as creative writers would jump at the chance to create interesting black characters in all types of genres, but...

[Pray_4_War]

Now it's the best black created characters? A few pages ago there weren't any all. Every character's not gonna be Batman.  A few decades ago, even most of the characters  you named wouldn't have been taken seriously.  I gave you a wide variety, you came up with a million reasons why you don't consider them to be such. Some of those reasons directly contradicting each other. I'm glad you admit your thoughts aren't really fleshed out on the subject and I'm satisfied that you'll just keep moving goalposts the more this conversation goes on, so until there's a worthwhile development, it's safe for me to bow out for now. Point was made*.

(*and please take the easy setup I gave you with that last line. It may be the only good line you post in this thread.)

It wasn't my intent to "move the goalposts" although I can see why you might interpret it that way.  My comments in this thread started out very general and as the conversation evolved I got a little more specific.  Sometimes things can come out a little unclear because we are discussing things on a forum and not writing essays.  Also, sometimes topics can get conflated or ideas might need clarification.  Regardless, I don't think that changes the inherent truth in what I've been saying in this thread.

*I still believe there are very few good and interesting characters that were created by blacks.  You've had plenty of opportunities to give us some good ones and your list is still pretty flimsy.

*I still believe that the few black characters that exist are very much centered around their blackness.

*I still believe there isn't many black characters equivalent to a James Bond that Hollywood could change to white.

*I still believe that blacks should create their own new characters instead of taking over established white characters.

*I still believe you are a moron.

[illuminati]

It wasn't my intent to "move the goalposts" although I can see why you might interpret it that way.  My comments in this thread started out very general and as the conversation evolved I got a little more specific.  Sometimes things can come out a little unclear because we are discussing things on a forum and not writing essays.  Also, sometimes topics can get conflated or ideas might need clarification.  Regardless, I don't think that changes the inherent truth in what I've been saying in this thread.

*I still believe there are very few good and interesting characters that were created by blacks.  You've had plenty of opportunities to give us some good ones and your list is still pretty flimsy.

*I still believe that the few black characters that exist are very much centered around their blackness.

*I still believe there isn't many black characters equivalent to a James Bond that Hollywood could change to white.

*I still believe that blacks should create their own new characters instead of taking over established white characters.

*I still believe you are a moron.

Ha Ha Ha
All Good Answers
Why do Blacks have to want or need to play the characters that were created
For whites - Invent a write Black characters simple solution Really.
I Mean Really James Bond as A Black Man !! FFS

[Pray_4_War]

Ha Ha Ha
All Good Answers
Why do Blacks have to want or need to play the characters that were created
For whites - Invent a write Black characters simple solution Really.
I Mean Really James Bond as A Black Man !! FFS

It's mainly Hollywood driving this whole race swapping thing but I think that black actors should not allow themselves to be tokenized.  Say no.

Do you remember this abomination?

[Pray_4_War]

[illuminati]

It's mainly Hollywood driving this whole race swapping thing but I think that black actors should not allow themselves to be tokenized.  Say no.

Do you remember this abomination?

True it’s mainly Hollyweird and their Bizarre agenda.
Yeah remember it being advertised & Didn’t watch it.

[Griffith]

It's pathetic liberal/Hollywood pandering pure and simple.

Apparently, she is going to be so-and-so agent (insert name) and get the MI-6 ID Number 007.

Bond retires and she takes his spot.

But it is still pandering.

Woman, black, probably dyke.

Why not just go full Omar Muslim?

I don't know if she already has it, then Bond comes out of retirement, or this is how the new movie ends.

If this is how it ends, well, then it is all over.

It's the same bullshit with Idris Elba.

Why not just create a new Double 0 agent? Make him 005 or 008... or 001?

You think fans would complain? A new, cool Double 00 character someone could create from scratch?

James Bond fans would be happy to be getting two such movies for every one.

Why does a black guy have to be James Bond?

Why does he have to be Captain America?

Why does Thor have to be a girl?

This is the bullshit. And is what Pray_4_War is trying to say.

You would think blacks who think of themselves as talented, would be very pissed at stuff like this, but...

You would think blacks who think of themselves as creative writers would jump at the chance to create interesting black characters in all types of genres, but...

It's Hollywood's version of Affirmative Action.

Instead of creating something new, they just replace a white person with a black one.

[G_Thang]

It's mainly Hollywood driving this whole race swapping thing but I think that black actors should not allow themselves to be tokenized.  Say no.

Do you remember this abomination?

This movie completely pre-dates the current climate, it fits more with Wayan's White Chicks and Downey Jr's black face. There was no push or agenda after the movie but nice try.  It fits more in teh spoof category.

[Kwon]

This movie completely pre-dates the current climate, it fits more with Wayan's White Chicks and Downey Jr's black face. There was no push or agenda after the movie but nice try.  It fits more in teh spoof category.

When did the Agenda-push in media begin then?

[Pray_4_War]

This movie completely pre-dates the current climate, it fits more with Wayan's White Chicks and Downey Jr's black face. There was no push or agenda after the movie but nice try.  It fits more in teh spoof category.

Oh you're back?  I see you are content to pretend I didn't shit all over you before.  Are you mad that even Shaft was created by a white person?  lol.

Don't worry, Al Doggity has your back.  He dropped this epic black character on me.

[G_Thang]

When did the Agenda-push in media begin then?

I have no clue of the date and time.  Stranger Things is based on 80s films like Pretty in Pink and 16 Candles with a horror twist.   Show me a kid in those movies who was twisting like f a g when he walked.  TER-MAN-HATER is the gender-fluid push.  Before the Black Gleason or whatever, there were whites playing the Jeffersons and Sanford and Son. 

https://youtu.be/UuBT5Q4tsdY?t=100

[Desolate]

Oh you're back?  I see you are content to pretend I didn't shit all over you before.  Are you mad that even Shaft was created by a white person?  lol.

Don't worry, Al Doggity has your back.  He dropped this epic black character on me.

Hey. You know Elmo is pure street.

[Fortress]

Joo Phaggots

[IRON CROSS]

007 character belongs to the 20th century !.

 

[Al Doggity]

You would think blacks who think of themselves as talented, would be very pissed at stuff like this, but...

You would think blacks who think of themselves as creative writers would jump at the chance to create interesting black characters in all types of genres, but...

Ha Ha Ha
All Good Answers
Why do Blacks have to want or need to play the characters that were created
For whites - Invent a write Black characters simple solution Really.
I Mean Really James Bond as A Black Man !! FFS

Interesting posts. Let me ask this incredible brain trust something.

This is a link to the top films of 2018. Do you notice anything interesting about the top 20 films?
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2018

[Al Doggity]

It wasn't my intent to "move the goalposts" although I can see why you might interpret it that way.  My comments in this thread started out very general and as the conversation evolved I got a little more specific.  Sometimes things can come out a little unclear because we are discussing things on a forum and not writing essays.  Also, sometimes topics can get conflated or ideas might need clarification.  Regardless, I don't think that changes the inherent truth in what I've been saying in this thread.

*I still believe there are very few good and interesting characters that were created by blacks.  You've had plenty of opportunities to give us some good ones and your list is still pretty flimsy.

*I still believe that the few black characters that exist are very much centered around their blackness.

*I still believe there isn't many black characters equivalent to a James Bond that Hollywood could change to white.

*I still believe that blacks should create their own new characters instead of taking over established white characters.

*I still believe you are a moron.

It's not even about evolving conversation, it's about the fact that you change what you mean with every post. Who are the best black characters? Who are the best black creators? Who are the most popular black characters created by blacks? Why are there so few black properties created by blacks? I'm fine discussing any of those topics. However, they are not the same topic and  you not only attempt to conflate them, but you change what you mean in every subsequent post. Even you harping on Elmo... that was one of several examples I gave because it fit the specific topic of your original question. Now, since you were wrong with your first few statements, the "conversation has evolved" to mean something entirely different. I offered up multiple examples of some of the most mainstream black created characters, but now the onus is quality?   OK   I've addressed every single point you brought up. I can't help what you believe. There are still people posting that that they don't understand why they don't just make the black female James Bond a different character.  You people will believe anything you're committed to believing. I can only try to guide you in the right direction.

[illuminati]

Interesting posts. Let me ask this incredible brain trust something.

This is a link to the top films of 2018. Do you notice anything interesting about the top 20 films?
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2018

Yes very interesting posts - That you Couldn’t Answer.
I’ve got nowt against Blacks in Fact I think every household should have 1 or 2....  

Here Click on this link. WWW.mudhutsandpointystic ks/black-achievement.com

[Al Doggity]

Yes very interesting posts - That you Couldn’t Answer
I’ve got nowt against Blacks in Fact I think every household should have 1 or 2....  

Here Click on this link. WWW.mudhutsandpointystic ks/black-achievement.com

I'm actually trying to engage with you on this topic to discuss those points. I guess just changing what you guys mean every post wasn't enough. Now it's just avoiding and changing the subject?  

[SOMEPARTS]

This movie is going to make the Ghostbusters remake look like serious filmwork. The premise borders on parody and it's going to bomb like nothing else.

Why not just develop a character within the Bond movie and make a spinoff? Not that difficult really to make your statement without destroying the franchise.

[Al Doggity]

This movie is going to make the Ghostbusters remake look like serious filmwork. The premise borders on parody and it's going to bomb like nothing else.

Why not just develop a character within the Bond movie and make a spinoff? Not that difficult really to make your statement without destroying the franchise.

It's almost like a bunch of idiots having a meltdown over a non-story. 

[Fortress]

Elmo

[Al Doggity]

Elmo

Batman