Author Topic: Rashida Tlaib: The federal minimum wage 'should be $20 an hour'. (Read 3853 times)

IroNat · « **on:** July 23, 2019, 08:21:01 AM »

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rashida-tlaib-the-federal-minimum-wage-should-be-20-an-hour

"When we started it, it should have been $15," the Michigan Democrat said in a video posted by America Rising on Monday. "Now I think it should be $20 ... It should be $20 an hour. $18-20 an hour."

Tlaib said the higher minimum was because the cost of "a lot of things" has gone up."

Dos Equis · « **Reply #1 on:** July 23, 2019, 08:30:13 AM »

Quote from: IroNat on July 23, 2019, 08:21:01 AM

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rashida-tlaib-the-federal-minimum-wage-should-be-20-an-hour

"When we started it, it should have been $15," the Michigan Democrat said in a video posted by America Rising on Monday. "Now I think it should be $20 ... It should be $20 an hour. $18-20 an hour."

Tlaib said the higher minimum was because the cost of "a lot of things" has gone up."

Terrible idea.

Thin Lizzy · « **Reply #2 on:** July 23, 2019, 08:31:51 AM »

Why not $100 an hour?😉

Dos Equis · « **Reply #3 on:** July 23, 2019, 08:33:06 AM »

Quote from: Thin Lizzy on July 23, 2019, 08:31:51 AM

Why not $100 an hour?😉

That's what I say when they start pulling these numbers out of their rear end.

loco · « **Reply #4 on:** July 23, 2019, 08:43:52 AM »

Do I hear $25? $25? Anybody, $25?

polychronopolous · « **Reply #5 on:** July 23, 2019, 09:00:48 AM »

Quote from: Thin Lizzy on July 23, 2019, 08:31:51 AM

Why not $100 an hour?😉

Exactly. Who in the hell can afford to buy a house, take vacations and put their kids through college on some bullshit 15 dollars an hour??

Humble Narcissist · « **Reply #6 on:** July 23, 2019, 09:03:14 AM »

This is why women couldn't vote until 100 years ago.

IroNat · « **Reply #7 on:** July 23, 2019, 09:13:28 AM »

Bat...sh*t...crazy.

loco · « **Reply #8 on:** July 23, 2019, 11:26:19 AM »

Quote from: Humble Narcissist on July 23, 2019, 09:03:14 AM

This is why women couldn't vote until 100 years ago.

Thin Lizzy · « **Reply #9 on:** July 23, 2019, 12:39:20 PM »

Quote from: Dos Equis on July 23, 2019, 08:33:06 AM

That's what I say when they start pulling these numbers out of their rear end.

Anyone who would pop off about raising the minimum wage is either economically illiterate or dishonest. Either way there’s no point in arguing with them.

OzmO · « **Reply #10 on:** July 23, 2019, 12:59:06 PM »

My issue has always been whether or not you can sustain yourself working full time on minimum wage. When I was 18, living in a northern California suburb I could. Minimum wage was 3.75-4.00 per hour and I could rent a 1 room place for $300-400/month. So I could barely make it. I don't know what's its like where i live now, but I think there should be a minimum wage that allows a person to survive, (not thrive) on minimum wage. That way there is less of an excuse to get on aid.

Should that wage be $15 or $9 or whatever, I don't know.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #11 on:** July 23, 2019, 01:49:44 PM »

Quote from: Thin Lizzy on July 23, 2019, 12:39:20 PM

Anyone who would pop off about raising the minimum wage is either economically illiterate or dishonest. Either way there’s no point in arguing with them.

Or a political hack.

Thin Lizzy · « **Reply #12 on:** July 23, 2019, 02:01:35 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on July 23, 2019, 12:59:06 PM

My issue has always been whether or not you can sustain yourself working full time on minimum wage. When I was 18, living in a northern California suburb I could. Minimum wage was 3.75-4.00 per hour and I could rent a 1 room place for $300-400/month. So I could barely make it. I don't know what's its like where i live now, but I think there should be a minimum wage that allows a person to survive, (not thrive) on minimum wage. That way there is less of an excuse to get on aid.

Should that wage be $15 or $9 or whatever, I don't know.

The last time I was anywhere near minimum-wage was with an after high school job. I was living rent free with my parents and ate for free as well. So, the money I made went to buy records and other fun stuff. But I got more than just the money. I got experience in customer service, a skill that I use to this day. That’s what a high minimum wage cuts out.

There are a number of other reasons why it’s a bad idea. The biggest is that when you increase the price of labor you decrease demand.

loco · « **Reply #13 on:** July 23, 2019, 02:14:50 PM »

If you pay unskilled workers a lot so they can afford a living, then you'll have to pay skilled workers much more, which in turn increases the cost of goods and services, which makes them unafordable to unskilled workers. See how that works?

So what if you don't pay skilled workers much more? Then the number of skilled workers will drop. Why would anyone spend time, money and effort to obtain an education and training for skills that are in high demand when they can go flip burgers for nearly the same pay?

Humble Narcissist · « **Reply #14 on:** July 23, 2019, 02:14:58 PM »

Quote from: Thin Lizzy on July 23, 2019, 02:01:35 PM

The last time I was anywhere near minimum-wage was with an after high school job. I was living rent free with my parents and ate for free as well. So, the money I made went to buy records and other fun stuff. But I got more than just the money. I got experience in customer service, a skill that I use to this day. That’s what a high minimum wage cuts out.

There are a number of other reasons why it’s a bad idea. The biggest is that when you increase the price of labor you decrease demand.

Yes, a person enters the workforce at minimum wage but expects and is expected to move on after developing skills. It was never intended to be a lifetime career wage.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #15 on:** July 23, 2019, 02:24:14 PM »

The market, skill, education, training, work ethic, geography, etc. should determine wages, not the government.

Thin Lizzy · « **Reply #16 on:** July 23, 2019, 02:33:29 PM »

Quote from: Humble Narcissist on July 23, 2019, 02:14:58 PM

Yes, a person enters the workforce at minimum wage but expects and is expected to move on after developing skills. It was never intended to be a lifetime career wage.

It’s only like five or 6% of the workforce that actually works for minimum-wage. So, the idea that employers wouldn’t pay employees anything if there were no minimum-wage is bullshit.

Humble Narcissist · « **Reply #17 on:** July 23, 2019, 02:37:58 PM »

Quote from: Thin Lizzy on July 23, 2019, 02:33:29 PM

It’s only like five or 6% of the workforce that actually works for minimum-wage. So, the idea that employers wouldn’t pay employees anything if there were no minimum-wage is bullshit.

Where is strawbrains to defend this bullshit?

OzmO · « **Reply #18 on:** July 23, 2019, 02:45:51 PM »

Quote from: Thin Lizzy on July 23, 2019, 02:01:35 PM

The last time I was anywhere near minimum-wage was with an after high school job. I was living rent free with my parents and ate for free as well. So, the money I made went to buy records and other fun stuff. But I got more than just the money. I got experience in customer service, a skill that I use to this day. That’s what a high minimum wage cuts out.

There are a number of other reasons why it’s a bad idea. The biggest is that when you increase the price of labor you decrease demand.

How does a high minimum wage cut out getting experience in customer service?

BTW, $20 minimum wage seems stupid. Just not too sure about $15/hr.

Thin Lizzy · « **Reply #19 on:** July 23, 2019, 03:05:19 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on July 23, 2019, 02:45:51 PM

How does a high minimum wage cut out getting experience in customer service?

BTW, $20 minimum wage seems stupid. Just not too sure about $15/hr.

It cuts out jobs. The higher labor costs translates to fewer employees.

Seattle-based restaurant chain declares bankruptcy, cites high minimum wage

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/seattle-based-restaurant-chain-declares-143532347.html

SOMEPARTS · « **Reply #20 on:** July 23, 2019, 03:07:37 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on July 23, 2019, 02:45:51 PM

How does a high minimum wage cut out getting experience in customer service?

BTW, $20 minimum wage seems stupid. Just not too sure about $15/hr.

They have the u-scan stuff in grocery stores. Figure it out.

OzmO · « **Reply #21 on:** July 23, 2019, 03:25:21 PM »

Quote from: SOMEPARTS on July 23, 2019, 03:07:37 PM

They have the u-scan stuff in grocery stores. Figure it out.

Self check out is happening regardless of wages.

OzmO · « **Reply #22 on:** July 23, 2019, 03:28:59 PM »

Quote from: Thin Lizzy on July 23, 2019, 03:05:19 PM

It cuts out jobs. The higher labor costs translates to fewer employees.

Seattle-based restaurant chain declares bankruptcy, cites high minimum wage

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/seattle-based-restaurant-chain-declares-143532347.html

I'd like to see those financials per restaurant. Businesses go down all the time.

I remember hearing the whole city went to $15/hour a few years ago. What kind of impact did it have I wonder.

SOMEPARTS · « **Reply #23 on:** July 23, 2019, 03:49:21 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on July 23, 2019, 03:25:21 PM

Self check out is happening regardless of wages.

That is the first wave of customer service that you mentioned before. We're in an era where the consumer buys on price only and now expects poor service/no service.

Jobs that would pay $15 an hour are vaporizing while they are politicizing the whole thing. Where are the unions when they put u-scan machines in knowing it kills jobs?

It's a weird time when people who work in cell phone stores are better at sales than the average new car lot.

Thin Lizzy · « **Reply #24 on:** July 23, 2019, 04:13:00 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on July 23, 2019, 03:28:59 PM

I'd like to see those financials per restaurant. Businesses go down all the time.

I remember hearing the whole city went to $15/hour a few years ago. What kind of impact did it have I wonder.

Either you accept economic theory or you don’t.

When you artificially raise prices, in this case the price of labor. You will artificially lower demand.

I understand why people support minimum-wage. It SEEMS fair, until you examine it more closely.

Let’s say you have four hungry people and three slices of pizza. Most would say that the fair thing to do would be to give everybody 3/4 of a slice. Minimum wage gives three people one slice and one person nothing.