With all the shit talked about gear and going off for the "health look", guys that were on heavy for a long time look like absolute shit when they go off. Not just loss in muscle mass, but skin tone and everything else. Levrone went off this past year and did an interview with MD off and his skin just looked like shit. Had weird skin blotches, skin sagging. Now he's back on with another "transformation" supplement push and just looks 1000% better. Lugar looks like death. Think a light stack, especially with big injuries would do him good but he's on the Jesus thing now I think.