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Venezuelan government warn citizens about traveling to the US
« on: August 07, 2019, 04:02:49 AM »
The Venezuelan government issued a statement urging its citizens to postpone trips to the U.S. after the “recent acts of violence.”

https://news.yahoo.com/foreign-countries-warn-citizens-traveling-103758490.html



WTF?  Is this some kind of joke?

List of cities by murder rate

The following 50 cities have the highest murder rates in the world of all cities not at war, with a population of at least 300,000 people

2. Caracas Venezuela
9. Ciudad Guayana   Venezuela
23. Maturin Venezuela
27. Valencia Venezuela
33. Barquisimeto Venezuela

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate


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Re: Venezuelan government warn citizens about traveling to the US
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2019, 04:05:43 AM »
Caracas here i come!

Where human lives are respected!
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Re: Venezuelan government warn citizens about traveling to the US
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2019, 04:57:25 AM »
At least the US has a few cities in the top 50.

We need to up our game.

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Re: Venezuelan government warn citizens about traveling to the US
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2019, 05:47:51 AM »
At least the US has a few cities in the top 50.

We need to up our game.

Yup: Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans...no surprises there.  What's surprising is that Chicago and Memphis didn't make the list.

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Re: Venezuelan government warn citizens about traveling to the US
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2019, 05:58:38 AM »
Another failed socialist country.

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Re: Venezuelan government warn citizens about traveling to the US
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2019, 03:41:24 PM »
Did the gun-friendly town of Hampstead NH make that list??

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Re: Venezuelan government warn citizens about traveling to the US
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2019, 01:30:32 AM »
The Venezuelan government issued a statement urging its citizens to postpone trips to the U.S. after the “recent acts of violence.”

https://news.yahoo.com/foreign-countries-warn-citizens-traveling-103758490.html



WTF?  Is this some kind of joke?

List of cities by murder rate

The following 50 cities have the highest murder rates in the world of all cities not at war, with a population of at least 300,000 people

2. Caracas Venezuela
9. Ciudad Guayana   Venezuela
23. Maturin Venezuela
27. Valencia Venezuela
33. Barquisimeto Venezuela

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate



Yes,off course it is a joke/trolling.


And fuck the US.  And China.

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Re: Venezuelan government warn citizens about traveling to the US
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2019, 01:57:56 AM »
Yup: Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans...no surprises there.  What's surprising is that Chicago and Memphis didn't make the list.

St Louis is the highest American place on the list at number 13 which surprised me.

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Re: Venezuelan government warn citizens about traveling to the US
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2019, 03:50:35 AM »
There are 30,000 gun related death s per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. The U.S. population is 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.00925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws.
15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified.
17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – better known as gun violence.
3% are accidental discharge deaths.

So technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Now lets look at how those deaths spanned across the nation.
480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So, if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assaults are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).


Now it gets good:
200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer walking in the worst areas of Chicago than you are when you are in a hospital!

710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So, what is the point? If the liberal loons and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).


A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total number of gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides ……………. Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions! So, you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns?


It’s pretty simple:
Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs . So, the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed.”

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Re: Venezuelan government warn citizens about traveling to the US
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2019, 05:34:55 AM »
Seems insenstive and due to systematic racism
There are 30,000 gun related death s per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. The U.S. population is 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.00925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws.
15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified.
17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – better known as gun violence.
3% are accidental discharge deaths.

So technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Now lets look at how those deaths spanned across the nation.
480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So, if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assaults are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).


Now it gets good:
200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer walking in the worst areas of Chicago than you are when you are in a hospital!

710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So, what is the point? If the liberal loons and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).


A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total number of gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides ……………. Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions! So, you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns?


It’s pretty simple:
Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs . So, the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed.”
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Re: Venezuelan government warn citizens about traveling to the US
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2019, 05:52:49 AM »
There are 30,000 gun related death s per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. The U.S. population is 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.00925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws.
15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified.
17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – better known as gun violence.
3% are accidental discharge deaths.

So technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Now lets look at how those deaths spanned across the nation.
480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So, if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assaults are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).


Now it gets good:
200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer walking in the worst areas of Chicago than you are when you are in a hospital!

710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So, what is the point? If the liberal loons and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).


A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total number of gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides ……………. Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions! So, you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns?


It’s pretty simple:
Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs . So, the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed.”

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Re: Venezuelan government warn citizens about traveling to the US
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2019, 07:21:04 AM »
POWER, Interesting statistics!

Where did you get those figures from?

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Re: Venezuelan government warn citizens about traveling to the US
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2019, 08:23:22 AM »
"The only good communist, is a dead communist."

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Re: Venezuelan government warn citizens about traveling to the US
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2019, 08:43:52 AM »
Thank you OP, I needed a laugh this morning. Venezuela warning the U.S. might be too dangerous to travel to so stay in Venezuela, one of the most violent shitholes in the world. I think our economy will survive the tourism hit, although most Venezuelans(those that would travel legally), probably went to check travel prices after the announcement to see if the bogus violence warning dropped hotel and airfare prices.  Clearly political move, using human tragedy to make a political statement. Consulates make updates and travel advisories every day. This went to news organizations, including U.S. one's, who are picking up on the story, so this was a press release, designed to insult the U.S. A consulate travel warning would not even be seen from a country like Venezuela and definitely not internationally unless it was an intentional press release. Fucking disgraceful clowns. Using human tragedy to make a political statement. Damn leftists have just sunken to all time lows. Like they are joining together around the world to disgrace themselves. Would be funny if Trump used their words against them and restricted travel to the U.S. from Venezuela until we resolve our violence problem.

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Re: Venezuelan government warn citizens about traveling to the US
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2019, 08:49:01 AM »
Venezuelan Government: "Illegally immigrate to the US all you want, just don't travel there."  ???

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Re: Venezuelan government warn citizens about traveling to the US
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2019, 08:39:15 AM »
POWER, Interesting statistics!

Where did you get those figures from?

Need someone to fact check these, could be BS, but just contributing to the arguments. (Found on interwebz).