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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2019, 04:09:00 PM »
test will lower your subcutaneous fat to a higher degree. Especially in the face, which makes you look older.

Add to that they tan alot...




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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2019, 04:36:53 PM »
test will lower your subcutaneous fat to a higher degree. Especially in the face, which makes you look older.

Add to that they tan alot...




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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2019, 05:27:46 PM »
The life insurance business actuaries calculate mortality rates.  Men have lower life expectancies because of leading riskier lifestyles.

I agree it is exceedingly rare for a man to reach 107.  So rare that it is not relevant to this discussion.  It is however, not rare for a teenage male to kill himself doing a high risk activity.  It happens all the time and with not just one fatality but multiple fatalities in one accident.  Men also have risky jobs such as logging, construction, mining, oil exploration, combat armed forces service, etc.  Women rarely participate in such professions.  Men smoke more and drink more also which are higher risk activities.  Men as a whole do more bad things than women.

So, while most people look at reports of life expectancy for men and women and think it is about health, it is about much more than health issues.  It is also about lifestyle issues.



When you refer to men and life expectancy are referring to how the insurance companies calculate the risks on adults over the age of 25 and the breakdown of their education levels?

Because a 17 year old would likely still be high school as such his death would be used in a different metric than what would be considered an "adult man".  Because in that case a 107 year old man would be more relevant than a 17 year old teenager.

Nope, the life expectancy isn't due to accidental death.

But then OT1 says this.

So is he wrong?

Or are we all wrong because this thread was about steroid use aging faces?

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2019, 06:29:43 PM »
most of the guys in the 90's didn't look older, except for dorian because his face got really gaunt when in shape and nasser because he was balding

i don't think dorian looks much older now compared to how he looked 25 years ago

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2019, 06:55:42 PM »
When you refer to men and life expectancy are referring to how the insurance companies calculate the risks on adults over the age of 25 and the breakdown of their education levels?

Because a 17 year old would likely still be high school as such his death would be used in a different metric than what would be considered an "adult man".  Because in that case a 107 year old man would be more relevant than a 17 year old teenager.

But then OT1 says this.

So is he wrong?

Or are we all wrong because this thread was about steroid use aging faces?

Life insurance actuarial tables normally end at age 100.  Such a policy still in force would be a permanent insurance product (like whole life).  At age 100 the policy "endows" and a check for the face value of the policy is paid out to the insured.

So a 107 year old man is no longer in the pool of insureds.

For a pool of insureds to be representative and relevant it needs to contain a wide range of participants of all ages.  Those young are in better health than those older generally.  Those who obtain a policy when they have health issue are rated (charged more or not insured at all) since they have too high a risk of dying.  Health insurance works in a similar fashion.

Whether 17 or 47 it is the same insurance product.  The cost of the insurance premium will be higher for the older person because he is likely to die sooner, thus a shorter period of time to accumulate the funds needed for payout.

Higher education levels, etc. resulting in lower premium would probably indicate an actuarial calculation which shows better healthcare than uneducated persons.  Auto insurance companies often give discounts for students having higher GPA.  Why?  These kids must have statistically been shown to have fewer accidents.


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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2019, 07:19:32 PM »
Life insurance actuarial tables normally end at age 100.  Such a policy still in force would be a permanent insurance product (like whole life).  At age 100 the policy "endows" and a check for the face value of the policy is paid out to the insured.

So a 107 year old man is no longer in the pool of insureds.

For a pool of insureds to be representative and relevant it needs to contain a wide range of participants of all ages.  Those young are in better health than those older generally.  Those who obtain a policy when they have health issue are rated (charged more or not insured at all) since they have too high a risk of dying.  Health insurance works in a similar fashion.

Whether 17 or 47 it is the same insurance product.  The cost of the insurance premium will be higher for the older person because he is likely to die sooner, thus a shorter period of time to accumulate the funds needed for payout.

Higher education levels, etc. resulting in lower premium would probably indicate an actuarial calculation which shows better healthcare than uneducated persons.  Auto insurance companies often give discounts for students having higher GPA.  Why?  These kids must have statistically been shown to have fewer accidents.



How long have you worked in the life insurance industry ?

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2019, 09:20:22 PM »


he looks like a man in his 50's

25 years ago, he looked like a man in his 50's

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2019, 09:58:39 PM »
It's usually igf1 that ages your face. Tren ages your face as well, goes to show that it also increased igf1 as well. High androgen DHT derivatives also age your face it seams. Masteron, halo, drol, etc...

Why? Dunno..don't much care.

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2019, 10:14:48 PM »
permanent loss of brown fat storage.  face (cheeks) and mid back are where it stores. a lot of the fat
burners like clen attack that fat. thats why the mid back is so lean on so many competitors, but also
the face gets drawn out, ,making people look tired and old.

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2019, 01:08:23 AM »
test will lower your subcutaneous fat to a higher degree. Especially in the face, which makes you look older.

Add to that they tan alot...


no collagen,no skin elasticity

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2019, 02:18:29 AM »
he looks like a man in his 50's

25 years ago, he looked like a man in his 50's

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2019, 02:40:16 AM »
test will lower your subcutaneous fat to a higher degree. Especially in the face, which makes you look older.

Add to that they tan alot...





Best answer in the thread.I think it's partially this plus just being at such a low bodyfat with little water makes the face with little fat and water look older.The correct placement of fat pads on the face and amount of fat is crucial for looking younger, as we age fat pads slip downwards and atrophy, leading to the skin looking looser and less plump.if you look at the pics I quoted for example, the surface skin has the age of the 35yr old but the lack of fat and water underneath the skin makes it look like the 55yr old with the slipped and atrophied fat pads.




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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2019, 03:19:53 AM »
Look at many young IFBB Pro's and they all look 10-20 years older than they actually are.

Age here: about 25



Age here: about 25



Trey Brewer when he was like 20-21






The dryness, lack of fat and moist on the skin, from drugs looks good from the neck down.   

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2019, 04:19:10 AM »
How long have you worked in the life insurance industry ?

I worked in it about 20 years ago.  Now I am retired.

You are right that we have veered way off topic.

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2019, 04:39:53 AM »
I worked in it about 20 years ago.  Now I am retired.

You are right that we have veered way off topic.

Would it illigitimize my policy to nominate as the beneficiary of my life insurance anyone in the world who can eat their attached hand the fastest? Or just whoever wears double denim for the longest. Shit like that. Can I rely upon my insurer to help me fuck with people from beyond the grave?

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2019, 04:44:37 AM »
Would it illigitimize my policy to nominate as the beneficiary of my life insurance anyone in the world who can eat their attached hand the fastest? Or just whoever wears double denim for the longest. Shit like that. Can I rely upon my insurer to help me fuck with people from beyond the grave?

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2019, 11:52:53 AM »
I'm not so sure that steroids age you.

This notion has been thrown a lot on this forum,and it has put me off trying testosterone.


Lots of them juicers still have childish faces despite using for years.

Some don't.

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2019, 08:54:01 PM »
I'm not so sure that steroids age you.

This notion has been thrown a lot on this forum,and it has put me off trying testosterone.


Lots of them juicers still have childish faces despite using for years.

Some don't.


Russ can you point to a few specific juicers with baby faces, besides that Russian guy? Also please provide their dosages and compare them to what was recorded in Dallas's autopsy.

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2019, 11:55:04 PM »
How would I know their dosages?

What are you saying,that massive dosages age you?



Off the top of my head.....

These people look right for  respective ages.




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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2019, 11:55:48 PM »
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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #45 on: August 19, 2019, 11:58:49 PM »
test will lower your subcutaneous fat to a higher degree. Especially in the face, which makes you look older.




I think this would be the right answer.

And it seems to be reversible.

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #46 on: August 20, 2019, 02:43:39 PM »
who was that bodybuilder that sevastase would always post pics of, he was completely jacked but had the face of a 12 year old?

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #47 on: August 20, 2019, 02:55:42 PM »
Some people just look older than they are Bodybuilders or not.
Though the big bloated high blood pressure look from to much
Test / aromatising to Oestrogen isn’t a great look for them.

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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #48 on: August 20, 2019, 03:27:26 PM »
Genetics and then: sugar, total calories, sun, alcohol, cigarettes and stress.

There's still a lot of variance as there are people with atypical responses. My father was in the sun for all of his life and still had pretty soft and smooth skin at 70+.
It's all a gamble.


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Re: Why does gear usage age your face so much?
« Reply #49 on: August 20, 2019, 03:41:31 PM »
Genetics and then: sugar, total calories, sun, alcohol, cigarettes and stress.

There's still a lot of variance as there are people with atypical responses. My father was in the sun for all of his life and still had pretty soft and smooth skin at 70+.
It's all a gamble.



Yep Pretty Much Correct.