Does Transgender justify abortion?

[Notomorrow]

I'm not trying to be conspiratorial, but it would seem the premise of "transgender" justifies abortion in the sense that it suggests that your identity as a human being is only established when you psychologically have the ability to decide(or recognize) if you are a boy or a girl. As if you are not a boy or a girl, it would seem you could not be classified as a human. So it started out with saying a "fetus" is not a life, meaning its just a group of cells. Then late term abortions suggested that only when outside the womb is one a life. Now you don't really have a human identity until psychologically developed enough to identify yourself. I am not a nutty pro life person, in fact I'm pro choice. I simply like to think about things and am approaching this solely from logic. Wouldn't the premise of transgender implicitly say abortion at any stage is ok? As you haven't "identified" yet as a gender and if not either gender you in a sense are still just that group of cells? This may get banned but I mean it just as a logical exploration.

[Dave D]

If you stick to your bodybuilding theories you will be remembered as king.

We've, in America, have already justified abortion so it doesnt matter.

[IroNat]

I'm not trying to be conspiratorial, but it would seem the premise of "transgender" justifies abortion in the sense that it suggests that your identity as a human being is only established when you psychologically have the ability to decide(or recognize) if you are a boy or a girl. As if you are not a boy or a girl, it would seem you could not be classified as a human. So it started out with saying a "fetus" is not a life, meaning its just a group of cells. Then late term abortions suggested that only when outside the womb is one a life. Now you don't really have a human identity until psychologically developed enough to identify yourself. I am not a nutty pro life person, in fact I'm pro choice. I simply like to think about things and am approaching this solely from logic. Wouldn't the premise of transgender implicitly say abortion at any stage is ok? As you haven't "identified" yet as a gender and if not either gender you in a sense are still just that group of cells? This may get banned but I mean it just as a logical exploration.

I don't think your logic holds up because some of these folk can't make up their mind what gender they are.

They would all agree they are human though (well, maybe not all).

[Primemuscle]

I'm not trying to be conspiratorial, but it would seem the premise of "transgender" justifies abortion in the sense that it suggests that your identity as a human being is only established when you psychologically have the ability to decide(or recognize) if you are a boy or a girl. As if you are not a boy or a girl, it would seem you could not be classified as a human. So it started out with saying a "fetus" is not a life, meaning its just a group of cells. Then late term abortions suggested that only when outside the womb is one a life. Now you don't really have a human identity until psychologically developed enough to identify yourself. I am not a nutty pro life person, in fact I'm pro choice. I simply like to think about things and am approaching this solely from logic. Wouldn't the premise of transgender implicitly say abortion at any stage is ok? As you haven't "identified" yet as a gender and if not either gender you in a sense are still just that group of cells? This may get banned but I mean it just as a logical exploration.

What a crazy idea. Transgender people have an identity. Many people change their identity. Sometimes, even more than once.

I am pro-life and I am pro-abortion. IMO, what matters most is the quality of life.

[Henda]

All transgender should he fed through a fucking wood chipper

[Primemuscle]

Humans are primates. Our genus is homo and our species is sapiens. According to those in the know, humans taste like pork.

Many cultures past and present revere transgender people. Transgender folks have been around for at least 4,500. It is difficult to understand what it is like to be transgender unless you are.

[Hypertrophy]

Humans are primates. Our genus is homo and our species is sapiens. According to those in the know, humans taste like pork.

Many cultures past and present revere transgender people. Transgender folks have been around for at least 4,500. It is difficult to understand what it is like to be transgender unless you are.

The current "phase" of transgender transformation is unlike any in history. They didn't have wide spread or easily obtainable estrogen or testosterone even 50 years ago. Or spironolactone. Or "gender reassignment surgery, etc, etc. Christine Jorgensen in 1951 was a single data point.

This is one big experiment that doesn't take into account what all this will eventually do to the human psyche. We already know what some of the detrimental physical effects of anabolic steroids, insulin and HGH are based on bodybuilders. What about mental?

If a person is going to go through a hormonal transgender transformation, the law should be written that they have to be at least well past puberty. The mind goes through a lot of changes at that point in life. People squawk when a 10 year old kid is given test or other steroids for good reason- the effect on the human body can be disastrous (termination of growth plates, for example)

[illuminati]

Today I think I’m a Tree
And tomorrow I think I’ll be a giraffe
The next day a Lion
And After That Sarah
Then I’ll be Gender Neutral or Both Man & Woman At the same Time.

People like us have been around since Human kind started
We just need to be understood / Given Lots of Different Drugs
And Plenty of Surgery  
We’re all perfectly normal & acceptable
You don’t know how tough it is unless you’re one of us.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

FFS so much mental illness around.

2 sexes Male & Female
End of.

All The Rest is Down to Mental confusion from a Diseased
Or ill Mind.

Enough of the understanding bolloxs Already.

[Primemuscle]

The current "phase" of transgender transformation is unlike any in history. They didn't have wide spread or easily obtainable estrogen or testosterone even 50 years ago. Or spironolactone. Or "gender reassignment surgery, etc, etc. Christine Jorgensen in 1951 was a single data point.

This is one big experiment that doesn't take into account what all this will eventually do to the human psyche. We already know what some of the detrimental physical effects of anabolic steroids, insulin and HGH are based on bodybuilders. What about mental?

If a person is going to go through a hormonal transgender transformation, the law should be written that they have to be at least well past puberty. The mind goes through a lot of changes at that point in life. People squawk when a 10 year old kid is given test or other steroids for good reason- the effect on the human body can be disastrous (termination of growth plates, for example)

I agree with everything you just posted regarding medical science and transgenderisms. Most of all, I agree that in almost all cases medical procedures and hormone treatments are wrong. The rare exception might be someone who is a hermaphrodite or intersex. Even then a young person is probably not emotionally equipped to make that decision and it can be disastrous when their adult guardian/parent decides on irreversible surgery. Who is to say they wouldn't be fine being intersex all their lives.

A lot of people live by the theory that if we can do something, we should. Worse, someone foisting such decisions on children. I've read were young folks are having plastic surgery to beautify and perfectly good nose. If you had a daughter who was flat chested at 16 years of age, would you support her having breast implants? I hope you wouldn't. The family doctor recommended I take steroids and test injections before I was 18. What guy that age wouldn't want to become more muscular. Looking back, I've wondered how that treatment may have changed my life, both physically and emotionally.

I went bald in my 20's. I have never once considered a surgical procedure such as transplants or scalp reduction in order to have hair on my head. Sometimes, I wear hats, I tried wearing a wig decades ago and that was a waste of money. Wore it once and never again.

[The Scott]

Today I think I’m a Tree
And tomorrow I think I’ll be a giraffe
The next day a Lion
And After That Sarah
Then I’ll be Gender Neutral or Both Man & Woman At the same Time.

People like us have been around since Human kind started
We just need to be understood / Given Lots of Different Drugs
And Plenty of Surgery  
We’re all perfectly normal & acceptable
You don’t know how tough it is unless you’re one of us.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

FFS so much mental illness around.

2 sexes Male & Female
End of.

All The Rest is Down to Mental confusion from a Diseased
Or ill Mind.

Enough of the understanding bolloxs Already.

Well said, my friend!

[Primemuscle]

Today I think I’m a Tree
And tomorrow I think I’ll be a giraffe
The next day a Lion
And After That Sarah
Then I’ll be Gender Neutral or Both Man & Woman At the same Time.

People like us have been around since Human kind started
We just need to be understood / Given Lots of Different Drugs
And Plenty of Surgery  
We’re all perfectly normal & acceptable
You don’t know how tough it is unless you’re one of us.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

FFS so much mental illness around.

2 sexes Male & Female
End of.

All The Rest is Down to Mental confusion from a Diseased
Or ill Mind.

Enough of the understanding bolloxs Already.

Really? You honestly believe being transgender is tantamount to thinking you are a tree, a giraffe, or a lion? Thank you for your insight.  It will undoubtedly change how we define mental illness.
 

Well said, my friend!

Which one of these four sentences doesn't fit with the other three?

1. I've made an appointment with a plastic surgeon to have my neck lengthened several feet because I was born to be a giraffe.

2. My dermatologist has come up with a way to help my skin to look and feel more like bark...I'm all in, because I have decided to become a tree.

3. Sorry, changed my mind. I've decided to become a lion. Now if I can just get Hair Club for Men to make me a mane and my orthodontist to manufacture two very long lateral incisors, I'll finally be what I was meant to be.

4. I've always believed I was a woman who mistakenly got a man's body. Finally, I'm able to alter my physical appearance to reflect my femininity in ways that visually reflect who I actually believe I am.

  

[The Scott]

Really? You honestly believe being transgender is tantamount to thinking you are a tree, a giraffe, or a lion? Thank you for your insight.  It will undoubtedly change how we define mental illness.
 
Which one of these four sentences doesn't fit with the other three?

1. I've made an appointment with a plastic surgeon to have my neck lengthened several feet because I was born to be a giraffe.

2. My dermatologist has come up with a way to help my skin to look and feel more like bark...I'm all in, because I have decided to become a tree.

3. Sorry, changed my mind. I've decided to become a lion. Now if I can just get Hair Club for Men to make me a mane and my orthodontist to manufacture two very long lateral incisors, I'll finally be what I was meant to be.

4. I've always believed I was a woman who mistakenly got a man's body. Finally, I'm able to alter my physical appearance to reflect my femininity in ways that visually reflect who I actually believe I am.

   

Here:
This idiot said he was a "tiger" and so he began his transition toward his real self.





How dare anyone call him mentally ill.  He is seeking his true self!

Fuck That Noise. 

Cucktards will rationalize the shit out of anything they can use to justify their own weirdness.   So yes.

Really.

I suppose one could go on.  Rachel Dolezal is a negress trapped inside a caucasional body.  How dare you or anyone call her mentally ill?


Oh WAIT!  You lack the spine, the wherewithal, the testicular fortitude to speak the troof.   
So again,Really.

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeed  more proof?

Michael Jackson.

Must I say it again?  Okay...Really.

[Joe Valentino]

What a crazy idea. Transgender people have an identity. Many people change their identity. Sometimes, even more than once.

I am pro-life and I am pro-abortion. IMO, what matters most is the quality of life.

Pro-Life and Pro-abortion? Ok.

[sarcafago]

[Notomorrow]

NO,

I think the basic point is that all of the "movements" of today seem to be based in the idea that there is not God, or natural order. When I was a kid, I would go on a hike, and start breaking a tree or lashing at it, pretending I was Bruce Lee or something and my Grandfather would explain that we don't do that to nature. Nature was created by God, and it was created perfect, we leave it alone. And now, we actually believe nature did not even create the most precious part correctly, a human life. God made an error and we need to make boy's girls and vice versa. Vegetarianism. It's not just eating meat, its claiming we weren't "made" to eat meat, despite evidence that humans throughout history have eaten meat. Obviously no animal should be mistreated, but this professing of how we were "meant" to be by these movements is all based in the idea that we are God and we know best. Whether transgender or these other modern movements, they always seem to also have an attack on religion. They always smugly say things like "the religious right" or "those Bible thumpers".  But they don't really specify any specific issue with the Bible or anything, just that these people believe in God. How horrible. Late term abortions, transgender,  its all related to this fundamental attack on those of faith. I'm not a big organized religion guy, but do believe in a natural order of things that is greater than myself. And these movements seem to be attacking this idea. That was my point. Now I'll go back to talking about fake natty's or some shit.

[Man of Steel]

I self identify as a 90-year old Asian woman and ask that I be treated as such.....my pronouns are her, she, balloon and toaster.

[mazrim]

Really? You honestly believe being transgender is tantamount to thinking you are a tree, a giraffe, or a lion? Thank you for your insight.  It will undoubtedly change how we define mental illness.
 
Which one of these four sentences doesn't fit with the other three?

1. I've made an appointment with a plastic surgeon to have my neck lengthened several feet because I was born to be a giraffe.

2. My dermatologist has come up with a way to help my skin to look and feel more like bark...I'm all in, because I have decided to become a tree.

3. Sorry, changed my mind. I've decided to become a lion. Now if I can just get Hair Club for Men to make me a mane and my orthodontist to manufacture two very long lateral incisors, I'll finally be what I was meant to be.

4. I've always believed I was a woman who mistakenly got a man's body. Finally, I'm able to alter my physical appearance to reflect my femininity in ways that visually reflect who I actually believe I am.

  

Huh? None of them fit if you are based in reality.

[illuminati]

Really? You honestly believe being transgender is tantamount to thinking you are a tree, a giraffe, or a lion? Thank you for your insight.  It will undoubtedly change how we define mental illness.
 
Which one of these four sentences doesn't fit with the other three?

1. Finally I’m able to make an appointment with a plastic surgeon to have my neck lengthened several feet to match how I feel I’ve always believed I was a Giraffe & Born into the Wrong Body.

2. My dermatologist has finally come up with a way to help my skin to look and feel more like bark...I'm all in, As I’ve believed I was born into a human body when I know I should of Been a Tree.
Having this skin procedure will Visually help reflect what I actually believe I am.

3. Sorry, My Mental Delusions mean I've decided to become a lion. Now if I can just get Hair Club for Men to make me a mane and my orthodontist to manufacture two very long lateral incisors, This will help visually reflect what I actually believe I am.

4. My Mental state / Delusions make me think I was a woman who mistakenly got a man's body. Finally, I'm able to hack my physical appearance about to reflect my femininity in ways that visually reflect who I actually believe I am.

  

Hmmmm
You tell me which of the above doesn’t fit ?
They all seem to be Mental issues.

It’s all down to Mental Isues & Delusions
Be it Believing your a Tree / Frog / Woman / Tiger Or Man.
You’re either Male or Female - DNA / Chromosomes
Hack off , Add on , Change colour, add spikes / stretch your neck whatever
Bollox they want to mutilate themselves with - That DNA / Chromosomes
Won’t change.

Why is it you’re unable to accept it’s all Mental Fuckery
Nature does get it wrong at times.

[illuminati]

Here:
This idiot said he was a "tiger" and so he began his transition toward his real self.





How dare anyone call him mentally ill.  He is seeking his true self!

Fuck That Noise. 

Cucktards will rationalize the shit out of anything they can use to justify their own weirdness.   So yes.

Really.

I suppose one could go on.  Rachel Dolezal is a negress trapped inside a caucasional body.  How dare you or anyone call her mentally ill?


Oh WAIT!  You lack the spine, the wherewithal, the testicular fortitude to speak the troof.   
So again,Really.

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeed  more proof?

Michael Jackson.

Must I say it again?  Okay...Really.

Exactly Scott
Accept one lot of Mental Nonsense & you got to accept them all
Only Not if you think like Prime as it only deserves Believing
And accepting if you want to hack your body about in the Mentally Confused
Belief you’re someone you’re not.

Come on Prime stop the fuckery & accept all of them or None of them
Otherwise you’re making yourself look extremely Foolish.

[Primemuscle]

Here:
This idiot said he was a "tiger" and so he began his transition toward his real self.





How dare anyone call him mentally ill.  He is seeking his true self!

Fuck That Noise. 

Cucktards will rationalize the shit out of anything they can use to justify their own weirdness.   So yes.

Really.

I suppose one could go on.  Rachel Dolezal is a negress trapped inside a caucasional body.  How dare you or anyone call her mentally ill?


Oh WAIT!  You lack the spine, the wherewithal, the testicular fortitude to speak the troof.   
So again,Really.

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeed  more proof?

Michael Jackson.

Must I say it again?  Okay...Really.

Sanity is relative. Whether or not these examples are mentally ill has less to do with how they look than what goes on in their heads and what they do. Some might argue if changing their appearance has made them happy, who's to judge. You may not like their appearance, but it is their prerogative to do what they did. Nobody is expecting you to pay for their change. It's not like you'd have to marry or even befriend these folks.

[AbrahamG]

I self identify as a 90-year old Asian woman and ask that I be treated as such.....my pronouns are her, she, balloon and toaster.

You also believe in talking snakes, so that kind of puts things in their proper perspective.

[Primemuscle]

Pro-Life and Pro-abortion? Ok.

Hopefully, you get that my position on this depends on the circumstances. There are times when abortion seems like the best option, but the beauty and necessity of procreation cannot be treated lightly. If I were able to get pregnant, the only reason I'd consider abortion would be that I am carrying "Rosemary's Baby" or the like.  

[Fortress]

If it could be determined before birth an individual was destined to be a trantard, I’d say it’s best to abort the fetus and be done with it.

And while we’re at it, anyone who will be a “progressive liberal” or leftcuck.

[The Scott]

Sanity is relative. Whether or not these examples are mentally ill has less to do with how they look than what goes on in their heads and what they do. Some might argue if changing their appearance has made them happy, who's to judge. You may not like their appearance, but it is their prerogative to do what they did. Nobody is expecting you to pay for their change. It's not like you'd have to marry or even befriend these folks.

You are adrift on a polluted sea.  Lost without a moral compass.  Too afraid to offend that which is plainly offensive.  Look not to anyone to protect you from that which preys daily upon your addled mind. You.

[Primemuscle]

You are adrift on a polluted sea.  Lost without a moral compass.  Too afraid to offend that which is plainly offensive.  Look not to anyone to protect you from that which preys daily upon your addled mind. You.

You are entitled to your opinion. Don't let the fact that you don't know me hold you back. I have an opinion of you. It is based solely on what you post on Getbig. Is my opinion accurate? If so, I feel sorry for you. You seem miserable.