Evolution Is False

[falco]

Evolution is a theory not a fact.
It explains minor changes in species. Minor.

[Ropo]

Good points Ropo.

Where are the apes who are in the evolution phase to Neanderthals?

Or does evolution determine Neanderthals are extinct because they serve no purpose?

But why do we still have the same apes and chimps from millions of years ago? Why isnt there an example of a chimp ape/hybrid or ape/neanderthal  in present day? It's odd that we dont have any evidence of evolution in process today.

First of all we need to understand some of the facts of the matter:

1. scientistic examination of this world is ongoing job, and so far we have found just a bits and pieces, this and that, not even nearly everything what there is to be found.
2. You have to understand time, millions of years, even billions of years which have passed by after these creatures dissapear. It isn't easy task find something as old as that.
3. in evolution, changes appear only when species gain something by it. For example, alligators and crocodiles has been just about same thousands of years and why? They are at the top on their food chain, so there isn't anything to gain. All they do is eat and breed, so why bother?
 
What comes to chimps etc. apes of course there is different evolution stages among them. Just google "primal evolution", there is lot to read. Point is that when species reach high end of it's food chain, evolution slows down because there is less reason to fine tuning. What comes to apes, in recent years they have found out that there is chimpanzee- tribes which have very strict hierarchy, lot like an army. There is soldiers and commanders, when they fight with another tribes, and they use sticks and rocks as a weapon. This and the fact that they have also found evidence of the religious behaviour from these apes, so tell me, is this another step of the evolution or what? Chimps are happy as a chimps, but will evolution rise them to walk with two legs? It may take another xx thousand years, but it will happen, because it is the route which they are going.

[Humble Narcissist]

We do.  All life is constantly evolving.  

Any domesticated animal could be used as an example.  Look at how different breeds of dog are compared to the wolf they're decedents of.  Domestication is just natural selection with man doing the selection.  The process of evolution takes place over thousands and millions of years.  

There are fossils of the in between stages you're looking for.  Lucy is a perfect example.
Lucy was 1.1 m (3 ft 7 in) tall,[18] weighed 29 kg (64 lb), and (after reconstruction) looked somewhat like a chimpanzee. The creature had a small brain like a chimpanzee, but the pelvis and leg bones were almost identical in function to those of modern humans, showing with certainty that Lucy's species were hominins that had stood upright and had walked erect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(Australopithecus)

You used about the worst example you could use as "LUCY" was debunked in the 70's.  Why not use Piltdown or Nebraska Man next?

[Lon Barrigan]

Evolution is a theory not a fact.
It explains minor changes in species. Minor.

Evolution, the atheist fairytale that everything randomly happened, is neither a theory nor a fact. Minor shifts within species are the result of limited variation (within kinds).

[Notomorrow]

The inherent problem with evolution OR God is the idea of time, which simply cannot exist. If God created everything, then who created God? If you say he is eternal, then what was he doing before he created everything? Before the Big Bang God was here doing what? The Bible did not address this as far as I know. If you say evolution, then there would have to be some form of potential energy that was turned into kinetic energy. But where did the potential energy come from? This WOULD violate the laws of conservation of energy. You could explain that there is an infinite point of origin, where simple gravitational forces somehow created matter, but this would still need some form of potential energy. But it all comes back to the idea that time simply cannot exist. We cannot stop time, and we cannot begin time. And this is where God AND evolution fall short. We must relate everything to time, because we are all dying but the Universe has no such concern. There is NO time.

[Lon Barrigan]

For example, alligators and crocodiles has been just about same thousands of years and why?

Every species has remained the same for thousands of years. Why? Evolution is false. Species are fixed. Monkeys beget only monkeys, and fish beget only fish. There is no such thing as an evolutionary transition.

[Lon Barrigan]

The inherent problem with evolution OR God is the idea of time, which simply cannot exist. If God created everything, then who created God? If you say he is eternal, then what was he doing before he created everything? Before the Big Bang God was here doing what? The Bible did not address this as far as I know. If you say evolution, then there would have to be some form of potential energy that was turned into kinetic energy. But where did the potential energy come from? This WOULD violate the laws of conservation of energy. You could explain that there is an infinite point of origin, where simple gravitational forces somehow created matter, but this would still need some form of potential energy. But it all comes back to the idea that time simply cannot exist. We cannot stop time, and we cannot begin time. And this is where God AND evolution fall short. We must relate everything to time, because we are all dying but the Universe has no such concern. There is NO time.

What a pile of rubbish. Everything came from God, who is eternal. He was involved in His activities with the Word (Jesus Christ) before He created all things.

[Griffith]

Evolution is a theory not a fact.
It explains minor changes in species. Minor.

So you believe every single animal, plant and even bacteria, now and in the past, appeared as is and fully developed, out of nowhere?

Their full forms just suddenly appeared on the Earth.

And then vanished. And then new one's suddenly appeared.

[Necrosis]

Why do you say that?

that all beliefs are false?

Because all concepts are approximations of reality but never the thing in itself, never the noumenon.. Are the descriptions of a peach the same thing as eating a peach? they are straw dogs. the tao that can be spoken is not the eternal tao. Nothing is actual reality.

Truth needs no belief as its self evident, remove conceptual thought and the truth will be evident which cannot be conveyed by words. This was the buddhas point about a finger pointing to the moon, if you pay attention to the finger (words, thoughts, concepts) you miss the thing being posited, the moon (which is akin to truth).

non-duality is non-conceptual.

[Lon Barrigan]

So you believe every single animal, plant and even bacteria, now and in the past, appeared as is and fully developed, out of nowhere?

Their full forms just suddenly appeared on the Earth.

And then vanished. And then new one's suddenly appeared.

All species did suddenly appear fully formed.

[Lon Barrigan]

[illuminati]

The inherent problem with evolution OR God is the idea of time, which simply cannot exist. If God created everything, then who created God? If you say he is eternal, then what was he doing before he created everything? Before the Big Bang God was here doing what? The Bible did not address this as far as I know. If you say evolution, then there would have to be some form of potential energy that was turned into kinetic energy. But where did the potential energy come from? This WOULD violate the laws of conservation of energy. You could explain that there is an infinite point of origin, where simple gravitational forces somehow created matter, but this would still need some form of potential energy. But it all comes back to the idea that time simply cannot exist. We cannot stop time, and we cannot begin time. And this is where God AND evolution fall short. We must relate everything to time, because we are all dying but the Universe has no such concern. There is NO time.

Time is a man made concept.
You’re likely correct There is No Time.

[illuminati]

What a pile of rubbish. Everything came from God, who is eternal. He was involved in His activities with the Word (Jesus Christ) before He created all things.

1, Where did your god come from then.
2, What has your god been doing since the time created all things.
3, What is your god doing now.
4, Why does your god stay hidden all the while.

[Dave D]

First of all we need to understand some of the facts of the matter:

1. scientistic examination of this world is ongoing job, and so far we have found just a bits and pieces, this and that, not even nearly everything what there is to be found.
2. You have to understand time, millions of years, even billions of years which have passed by after these creatures dissapear. It isn't easy task find something as old as that.
3. in evolution, changes appear only when species gain something by it. For example, alligators and crocodiles has been just about same thousands of years and why? They are at the top on their food chain, so there isn't anything to gain. All they do is eat and breed, so why bother?
 
What comes to chimps etc. apes of course there is different evolution stages among them. Just google "primal evolution", there is lot to read. Point is that when species reach high end of it's food chain, evolution slows down because there is less reason to fine tuning. What comes to apes, in recent years they have found out that there is chimpanzee- tribes which have very strict hierarchy, lot like an army. There is soldiers and commanders, when they fight with another tribes, and they use sticks and rocks as a weapon. This and the fact that they have also found evidence of the religious behaviour from these apes, so tell me, is this another step of the evolution or what? Chimps are happy as a chimps, but will evolution rise them to walk with two legs? It may take another xx thousand years, but it will happen, because it is the route which they are going.

1. Agreed
2. Fair enough. I hear the same argument from Christians who say the same thing about the biblical flood and why the Noah's ark cant be found.
3. My point is we are 1000's of years from 1000's of years ago. There should be something in the evolution stage. If religious militant chimpanzees is your example it's the first I've ever heard of it.

I guess my main point is we know science evolves as new information is discovered, as it should.

However there is a certain amount of, for a lack of a better word, faith that people apply to science being correct, until it isnt. That same level of "faith" in a creation/intelligent  design is often mocked even though they evolve their understanding.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

[Lon Barrigan]

Time is a man made concept.
You’re likely correct There is No Time.

You are too stupid to understand what time is.

[Griffith]

1. Agreed
2. Fair enough. I hear the same argument from Christians who say the same thing about the biblical flood and why the Noah's ark cant be found.
3. My point is we are 1000's of years from 1000's of years ago. There should be something in the evolution stage. If religious militant chimpanzees is your example it's the first I've ever heard of it.

I guess my main point is we know science evolves as new information is discovered, as it should.

However there is a certain amount of, for a lack of a better word, faith that people apply to science being correct, until it isnt. That same level of "faith" in a creation/intelligent  design is often mocked even though they evolve their understanding.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Try 50 000, 100 000 or 300 000 years if you want to see differences.

[illuminati]

You are too stupid to understand what time is.

 
Really - You Have no Explanations/ are incapable of even trying to explain
Anything remotely coherently.

All you seem capable of doing is calling others Stupid.

It is you who is the Stupid One
You’re constantly displaying your stupidity on here.

So Go ye forth & procreate or For a Thick Fuck like you FUCK OFF.

[Lon Barrigan]

Try 50 000, 100 000 or 300 000 years if you want to see differences.

Time is irrelevant as life does not change over time. Species or kinds are fixed. Even 3 trillion years will see no differences.

[Griffith]

Time is irrelevant as life does not change over time. Species or kinds are fixed. Even 3 trillion years will see no differences.

Animal breeding, entire new kinds have been created with breeding, such as all the different kinds of dogs. And dogs themselves which originally came from wolves. Dogs are still able to breed with wolves.

[Dave D]

Time is irrelevant as life does not change over time. Species or kinds are fixed. Even 3 trillion years will see no differences.

LOL this isnt true.

Animal breeding, entire new kinds have been created with breeding, such as all the different kinds of dogs. And dogs themselves which originally came from wolves. Dogs are still able to breed with wolves.

This.  Although this isnt the same as the transition from ape to man.

[Lon Barrigan]

LOL this isnt true.

It is infinitely true. You simply do not comprehend reality.

[Lon Barrigan]

Animal breeding, entire new kinds have been created with breeding, such as all the different kinds of dogs. And dogs themselves which originally came from wolves. Dogs are still able to breed with wolves.

Creatures beget only their own species or kind. Can you understand that? Dogs reproduce only dogs, and monkeys reproduce only monkeys.

[Dave D]

It is infinitely true. You simply do not comprehend reality.

That is true.

I rode my horse into work today.

[Lon Barrigan]

Hmmm, I guess I can stop buying new tires and painting my house.
Ya know, since time doesn't change anything.
Thanks, that will save me some money.

Does this "stay the same" apply to my abs ?

You are wholly human just as your great-great-grandfather was, aren't you?

[dan18]

Hmmm, I guess I can stop buying new tires and painting my house.
Ya know, since time doesn't change anything.
Thanks, that will save me some money.

Does this "stay the same" apply to my abs ?

Don't you mean ab you never had abs