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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #350 on: September 04, 2019, 05:35:46 PM »
You're not bored with this yet?


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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #351 on: September 04, 2019, 09:36:19 PM »
Radiometric dating attests the inescapable fact of a young Earth. Your statements could not be further from the truth.

https://answersingenesis.org/geology/carbon-14/doesnt-carbon-14-dating-disprove-the-bible/

https://answersingenesis.org/geology/carbon-14/carbon-14-dating/



And just like these tin foil hat morons, all you can present is the pages filled with this foil hat bullshit, which doesn't include any evidence at all. Just that same old crap, and your earth is still only 6000 years old. While you are spilling that crap all over this forum, scientist are looking stars which your God have create 6000 years ago, and put them so far that even the light of the star has to travel 100 000 light years before we can even see it. I find your claims to be ridiculously stupid, because that crap is against laws of physics, which also must be creation of God by your point of view..

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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #352 on: September 05, 2019, 12:06:38 AM »
The ruins and monuments at Göbekli Tepe are from 10 000 BC.




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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #353 on: September 05, 2019, 04:00:06 AM »
No. What I said was correct. Beings. There are two Gods. We've only delt with one. The one known as Jesus in the new testament when he came as a man and the The Most High or Jehovah in the old testament before he laid aside his Godhood and came here for us. The God of the old and new testament is the same person. We've never delt with the father and will not in these flesh bodies. We have to go through Christ. 

Very anthropomorphic! sounds like you have an idea of god or a concept of "it" which quite clearly it could not be as you are making it finite. Christ is consciousness man lol.

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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #354 on: September 05, 2019, 04:02:08 AM »
There aren't two Gods. There is one God, who subsists in three persons.

"Go through the world Baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit "

I think eventually you will figure this out and stop with the exoteric non-sense. truth is co-eval and coextant, its immanent and transcendent and it;s now.

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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #355 on: September 05, 2019, 04:10:27 AM »
The ruins and monuments at Göbekli Tepe are from 10 000 BC.





That date is nonsense. The Earth was created only 6,000 years ago.

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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #356 on: September 05, 2019, 06:49:41 AM »
If Humans actually evolved from monkeys, shouldn't there be a bunch of half human-half monkey people living somewhere? Where are they?

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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #357 on: September 05, 2019, 06:52:19 AM »
If Humans actually evolved from monkeys, shouldn't there be a bunch of half human-half monkey people living somewhere? Where are they?

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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #358 on: September 05, 2019, 06:55:17 AM »
That date is nonsense. The Earth was created only 6,000 years ago.

Tell me, how is it you know that?  ;D

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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #359 on: September 05, 2019, 08:37:41 AM »

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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #360 on: September 05, 2019, 10:38:57 AM »
https://creation.com/6000-years

Look, I fully grasp you're a trolling atheist, but how do you account for the use of the Hebrew word "yom" transliterated in English as "day"?

Remember the Hebrew language is a derivative of ancient Chaldean and is quite small.  So small in fact that one individual can memorize every word in the language so attempts at producing new translations from the same available manuscripts can produce slightly different translations in terms of OT material.  Not all linguists agree on how words translate.  Often times the differences are very slight, but occasionally they're significant.

I am much more persuaded by the notion of 6 days of creation occurring over 6 ages and that in fact we are existing in God's 7th day/age of rest after his activity of creation (as all 6 creation days had a “morning and evening” except day 7 which appears to be ongoing to the present).  The hebrew word for “day” is "yom" and actually has multiple definitions.  "Yom" can refer to the daylight, an actual 24-hour day or a long expanse of time (ex: an age).  Moses who was divinely inspired to write Genesis had no other Hebrew word other than “yom” to use to describe these things so we must be willing to step deeper into the text and the source languages to understand it (because Hebrew to English isn’t always 100% cut and dry).  

Hebrew words used in the Genesis creation account such as “happa’am”  which literally translates into “at long last” (which Adam exclaimed after Eve’s creation) and Adam being asked to tend the entire garden and name all the animals, being put into deep sleep, being operated on for the creation of woman and the determination that man should no longer be alone (implying a period of loneliness on Adam’s part prior to Eve’s creation) would be hard, hard pressed to fit into a single 24 hour day.   Also biblical references to the “generations of creation” and the biblical statement that a thousand years is like a day to God is compelling.  These are just some things to consider and by no means an exhaustive list  and I haven’t even discussed how creation events and cosmological and geological ages of the universe and earth align with creation accounts LOL….and they do!!

Gleason Archer was perhaps the foremost linguistic theologian who ever lived and prior to his death his explanation of biblical Hebrew (which he was an expert) puts the literal explanation of "yom" as a literal 24-hour day in Genesis 1 and 2 in absolute question.....he is by no means alone in this interpretation.  There’s an old story that goes that as a student of languages Gleason would actually take notes in one language class using ancient Hittite LOL!!

Admittedly I was raised in a typical young earth (6000 years) literal days creation household, but I've done my own independent study and actually attended a series of lectures on these very topics (believers actually read and study).  I see definite evidence for microbial changes (ex: evolution of bacteria and viruses yet both remain bacteria and viruses – the flu virus) and definite speciation in very small animals under 10lbs.  We see that some birds (ex: some finches) have evolved slightly due to environmental circumstances (yet remain finches), but no significant evidence for a "macro evolution" position (one species into another) has ever been completely validated.  The fossil evidence of the cambrian explosion (so many, many animals suddenly appearing at once) and the totality of fossil record lacking any specific transitioning examples simply doesn't support a species to species (macro) evolutionary change (and yes I'm aware that 'science' only has 'evolution' not 'macro' and 'micro').  We merely have artistic renderings (including some definite artistic license....the classic "deer to whale" evolution example) to help make the case.  But a definite record of fossils?  None yet.  Even though our universe if almost 14 billion years old that is not enough time for a large species to evolve into another; hence some sects of the scientific community push for an even grander age of the cosmos than has been established in order to compensate for this…….modern cosmology refutes this “even older universe” position.

At this point in time I am much more persuaded and adopt an old-earth creationist perspective as I can still make a definite distinction between the concepts of age and evolution while in absolute support of creation, but I plan on continuing to study more debates (old v young creation, old creation v evolution, young creation v evolution, etc…) and continue my independent reading (I read this material everyday and listen to debates on these subjects almost daily).  I’ve already taken university level physics, biology, genetics and chemistry courses (yes believers study science in school also) so I grasp the secular, scientific position (not exhaustively LOL, but beyond an average layman).  

I’m humble enough to admit that I don’t have all the answers and believe me that coming to terms with this is not something I take lightly (it shakes some believers to their core and others to cry "heresy!!"), but like others I will continue to search out answers honestly and proactively.  I’m simply willing to examine both secular science and theology and do so with an attitude of learning and humility.

If a day to God is like a thousand years to us then perhaps the earth is older than 6000 years determined by the Genesis lineage presented in scripture.  Sure the generations following Adam and Eve date back 6,000 years but prior to Adam and Eve's fall from grace we have no idea how long they spent together in the garden.

So again, why do you know the earth is absolutely 6,000 years old?

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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #361 on: September 05, 2019, 12:43:04 PM »
Look, I fully grasp you're a trolling atheist, but how do you account for the use of the Hebrew word "yom" transliterated in English as "day"?

Remember the Hebrew language is a derivative of ancient Chaldean and is quite small.  So small in fact that one individual can memorize every word in the language so attempts at producing new translations from the same available manuscripts can produce slightly different translations in terms of OT material.  Not all linguists agree on how words translate.  Often times the differences are very slight, but occasionally they're significant.

I am much more persuaded by the notion of 6 days of creation occurring over 6 ages and that in fact we are existing in God's 7th day/age of rest after his activity of creation (as all 6 creation days had a “morning and evening” except day 7 which appears to be ongoing to the present).  The hebrew word for “day” is "yom" and actually has multiple definitions.  "Yom" can refer to the daylight, an actual 24-hour day or a long expanse of time (ex: an age).  Moses who was divinely inspired to write Genesis had no other Hebrew word other than “yom” to use to describe these things so we must be willing to step deeper into the text and the source languages to understand it (because Hebrew to English isn’t always 100% cut and dry).  

Hebrew words used in the Genesis creation account such as “happa’am”  which literally translates into “at long last” (which Adam exclaimed after Eve’s creation) and Adam being asked to tend the entire garden and name all the animals, being put into deep sleep, being operated on for the creation of woman and the determination that man should no longer be alone (implying a period of loneliness on Adam’s part prior to Eve’s creation) would be hard, hard pressed to fit into a single 24 hour day.   Also biblical references to the “generations of creation” and the biblical statement that a thousand years is like a day to God is compelling.  These are just some things to consider and by no means an exhaustive list  and I haven’t even discussed how creation events and cosmological and geological ages of the universe and earth align with creation accounts LOL….and they do!!

Gleason Archer was perhaps the foremost linguistic theologian who ever lived and prior to his death his explanation of biblical Hebrew (which he was an expert) puts the literal explanation of "yom" as a literal 24-hour day in Genesis 1 and 2 in absolute question.....he is by no means alone in this interpretation.  There’s an old story that goes that as a student of languages Gleason would actually take notes in one language class using ancient Hittite LOL!!

Admittedly I was raised in a typical young earth (6000 years) literal days creation household, but I've done my own independent study and actually attended a series of lectures on these very topics (believers actually read and study).  I see definite evidence for microbial changes (ex: evolution of bacteria and viruses yet both remain bacteria and viruses – the flu virus) and definite speciation in very small animals under 10lbs.  We see that some birds (ex: some finches) have evolved slightly due to environmental circumstances (yet remain finches), but no significant evidence for a "macro evolution" position (one species into another) has ever been completely validated.  The fossil evidence of the cambrian explosion (so many, many animals suddenly appearing at once) and the totality of fossil record lacking any specific transitioning examples simply doesn't support a species to species (macro) evolutionary change (and yes I'm aware that 'science' only has 'evolution' not 'macro' and 'micro').  We merely have artistic renderings (including some definite artistic license....the classic "deer to whale" evolution example) to help make the case.  But a definite record of fossils?  None yet.  Even though our universe if almost 14 billion years old that is not enough time for a large species to evolve into another; hence some sects of the scientific community push for an even grander age of the cosmos than has been established in order to compensate for this…….modern cosmology refutes this “even older universe” position.

At this point in time I am much more persuaded and adopt an old-earth creationist perspective as I can still make a definite distinction between the concepts of age and evolution while in absolute support of creation, but I plan on continuing to study more debates (old v young creation, old creation v evolution, young creation v evolution, etc…) and continue my independent reading (I read this material everyday and listen to debates on these subjects almost daily).  I’ve already taken university level physics, biology, genetics and chemistry courses (yes believers study science in school also) so I grasp the secular, scientific position (not exhaustively LOL, but beyond an average layman).  

I’m humble enough to admit that I don’t have all the answers and believe me that coming to terms with this is not something I take lightly (it shakes some believers to their core and others to cry "heresy!!"), but like others I will continue to search out answers honestly and proactively.  I’m simply willing to examine both secular science and theology and do so with an attitude of learning and humility.

If a day to God is like a thousand years to us then perhaps the earth is older than 6000 years determined by the Genesis lineage presented in scripture.  Sure the generations following Adam and Eve date back 6,000 years but prior to Adam and Eve's fall from grace we have no idea how long they spent together in the garden.

So again, why do you know the earth is absolutely 6,000 years old?

https://creation.com/how-long-were-the-days-of-genesis-1

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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #362 on: September 05, 2019, 01:35:10 PM »
https://creation.com/6000-years

exactly 6000 years  ::) ;D

why not 5999 years ,9 months, 14 days & 49 minutes  :o

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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #363 on: September 05, 2019, 02:02:45 PM »
Look, I fully grasp you're a trolling atheist, but how do you account for the use of the Hebrew word "yom" transliterated in English as "day"?

Remember the Hebrew language is a derivative of ancient Chaldean and is quite small.  So small in fact that one individual can memorize every word in the language so attempts at producing new translations from the same available manuscripts can produce slightly different translations in terms of OT material.  Not all linguists agree on how words translate.  Often times the differences are very slight, but occasionally they're significant.

I am much more persuaded by the notion of 6 days of creation occurring over 6 ages and that in fact we are existing in God's 7th day/age of rest after his activity of creation (as all 6 creation days had a “morning and evening” except day 7 which appears to be ongoing to the present).  The hebrew word for “day” is "yom" and actually has multiple definitions.  "Yom" can refer to the daylight, an actual 24-hour day or a long expanse of time (ex: an age).  Moses who was divinely inspired to write Genesis had no other Hebrew word other than “yom” to use to describe these things so we must be willing to step deeper into the text and the source languages to understand it (because Hebrew to English isn’t always 100% cut and dry).  

Hebrew words used in the Genesis creation account such as “happa’am”  which literally translates into “at long last” (which Adam exclaimed after Eve’s creation) and Adam being asked to tend the entire garden and name all the animals, being put into deep sleep, being operated on for the creation of woman and the determination that man should no longer be alone (implying a period of loneliness on Adam’s part prior to Eve’s creation) would be hard, hard pressed to fit into a single 24 hour day.   Also biblical references to the “generations of creation” and the biblical statement that a thousand years is like a day to God is compelling.  These are just some things to consider and by no means an exhaustive list  and I haven’t even discussed how creation events and cosmological and geological ages of the universe and earth align with creation accounts LOL….and they do!!

Gleason Archer was perhaps the foremost linguistic theologian who ever lived and prior to his death his explanation of biblical Hebrew (which he was an expert) puts the literal explanation of "yom" as a literal 24-hour day in Genesis 1 and 2 in absolute question.....he is by no means alone in this interpretation.  There’s an old story that goes that as a student of languages Gleason would actually take notes in one language class using ancient Hittite LOL!!

Admittedly I was raised in a typical young earth (6000 years) literal days creation household, but I've done my own independent study and actually attended a series of lectures on these very topics (believers actually read and study).  I see definite evidence for microbial changes (ex: evolution of bacteria and viruses yet both remain bacteria and viruses – the flu virus) and definite speciation in very small animals under 10lbs.  We see that some birds (ex: some finches) have evolved slightly due to environmental circumstances (yet remain finches), but no significant evidence for a "macro evolution" position (one species into another) has ever been completely validated.  The fossil evidence of the cambrian explosion (so many, many animals suddenly appearing at once) and the totality of fossil record lacking any specific transitioning examples simply doesn't support a species to species (macro) evolutionary change (and yes I'm aware that 'science' only has 'evolution' not 'macro' and 'micro').  We merely have artistic renderings (including some definite artistic license....the classic "deer to whale" evolution example) to help make the case.  But a definite record of fossils?  None yet.  Even though our universe if almost 14 billion years old that is not enough time for a large species to evolve into another; hence some sects of the scientific community push for an even grander age of the cosmos than has been established in order to compensate for this…….modern cosmology refutes this “even older universe” position.

At this point in time I am much more persuaded and adopt an old-earth creationist perspective as I can still make a definite distinction between the concepts of age and evolution while in absolute support of creation, but I plan on continuing to study more debates (old v young creation, old creation v evolution, young creation v evolution, etc…) and continue my independent reading (I read this material everyday and listen to debates on these subjects almost daily).  I’ve already taken university level physics, biology, genetics and chemistry courses (yes believers study science in school also) so I grasp the secular, scientific position (not exhaustively LOL, but beyond an average layman).  

I’m humble enough to admit that I don’t have all the answers and believe me that coming to terms with this is not something I take lightly (it shakes some believers to their core and others to cry "heresy!!"), but like others I will continue to search out answers honestly and proactively.  I’m simply willing to examine both secular science and theology and do so with an attitude of learning and humility.

If a day to God is like a thousand years to us then perhaps the earth is older than 6000 years determined by the Genesis lineage presented in scripture.  Sure the generations following Adam and Eve date back 6,000 years but prior to Adam and Eve's fall from grace we have no idea how long they spent together in the garden.

So again, why do you know the earth is absolutely 6,000 years old?

If we are to believe Plato, an Egyptian priest of the name Sonchis told the Athenian statesman Solon that Egypt was founded in 8600 BC and it itself was not the oldest civilisation.

The example of Göbekli Tepe is dated at 10 000 BC, so even archaeology is indicating that human civilisation is far older than we thought.



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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #364 on: September 05, 2019, 02:08:35 PM »
exactly 6000 years  ::) ;D

why not 5999 years ,9 months, 14 days & 49 minutes  :o

It is a rough figure.

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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #365 on: September 06, 2019, 02:04:07 AM »
exactly 6000 years  ::) ;D

why not 5999 years ,9 months, 14 days & 49 minutes  :o

How about a smooth figure.
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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #366 on: September 06, 2019, 02:35:40 AM »
If Humans actually evolved from monkeys, shouldn't there be a bunch of half human-half monkey people living somewhere? Where are they?

Do you really want to know? You may not like an answer, you see..but anyway: Scientific studies has proved, that South Koreans have a highest average IQ among Japanese, Taiwanese etc. countries. Lowest average IQ is found from Africa, Caribbean islands etc. places. While average South Korean has an IQ of 108 points, average people of Equatorial Guinea has 59 points. Smart dogs has + 60 IQ points, so do this answer your question? You can say that people with less than 75 IQ points, are merely primates, not quite at the level of humans..just like Wiggs etc. characters here  ;D

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« Reply #367 on: September 06, 2019, 02:48:07 AM »
If Humans actually evolved from monkeys, shouldn't there be a bunch of half human-half monkey people living somewhere? Where are they?

Exactly...These fucktards want to believe they came from apes. They don't want to be held accountable to God.
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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #368 on: September 06, 2019, 02:51:16 AM »
Sky wizards  ::)

Hundreds of religions, and all are retarded cults...

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« Reply #369 on: September 06, 2019, 03:13:23 AM »
Exactly...These fucktards want to believe they came from apes. They don't want to be held accountable to God.

You obviously know very little about evolution. Men and apes had a common ancestor.


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« Reply #370 on: September 06, 2019, 03:16:07 AM »
Sky wizards  ::)

Hundreds of religions, and all are retarded cults...


Do you have anything of VALUE to add to conversation other than your thought provoking ad-hominem attacks.  I'm reasonable certain you can't intelligently argue any side of this conversation. I'll wait....

This isn't about RELIGION.  This is about Truth.  Evolution is a religion and Big Bang is their God. Creationism isn't a religion. It's fact.
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« Reply #371 on: September 06, 2019, 03:16:32 AM »
When people debate the age of the earth the board has sunk to a new low.

The motive behind the apologists for religion is they have to reject science if they want to keep their religion in tact.

Clearly it would be far more intelligent to discard the nonsense (all religions) and keep science and technology.

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« Reply #372 on: September 06, 2019, 03:17:46 AM »
You obviously know very little about evolution. Men and apes had a common ancestor.



Shut up dumb ass. You're not qualified to speak on these matters. You disqualified yourself years ago. Go take a nap you hairy balding old goof.
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« Reply #373 on: September 06, 2019, 03:23:24 AM »
Shut up dumb ass. You're not qualified to speak on these matters. You disqualified yourself years ago. Go take a nap you hairy balding old goof.

Wiggs, shake your sorry head. Years ago you were a good poster. In recent years you have stumbled and become a jackass. Quite amusing to read your crap.

You live in your safe little world and throw stones at intelligent, educated people.

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Re: Evolution Is False
« Reply #374 on: September 06, 2019, 04:43:58 AM »
If Humans actually evolved from monkeys, shouldn't there be a bunch of half human-half monkey people living somewhere? Where are they?

This From Ropo

“Do you really want to know? You may not like an answer, you see..but anyway: Scientific studies has proved, that South Koreans have a highest average IQ among Japanese, Taiwanese etc. countries. Lowest average IQ is found from Africa, Caribbean islands etc. places. While average South Korean has an IQ of 108 points, average people of Equatorial Guinea has 59 points. Smart dogs has + 60 IQ points, so do this answer your question? You can say that people with less than 75 IQ points, are merely primates, not quite at the level of humans..just like Wiggs etc.”



Yes there are & Mainly living in Africa - Though some of the more intelligent ones have
Migrated to other countries- Look at any large inner city & you’ll find them.

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