"The most Important Part of Bodybuilding is Nutrtion." Branch Warren

[oldtimer1]

The most important part of bodybuilding is drugs. Take away the drugs and all these braggarts about their physiques would be singing a different tune.

[Pray_4_War]

The most important part of bodybuilding is................in order of importance........

1.  Drugs

2.  Genetics

3.  Diet

4.  Training

[SF1900]

The most important part of bodybuilding is................in order of importance........

1.  Drugs

2.  Genetics

3.  Diet

4.  Training

Id say genetics before drugs, because all the drugs in the world won't turn someone into a Ronnie Coleman without the right receptors.

Here is my breakdown:

Genetics: 50%
Drugs: 45%
Diet: 2.5%
Training: 2.5%

[Methyl m1ke]

A well known IFBB pro bodybuilder shares his opinion with the world (for free) and predictably here come all the *real* bodybuilding experts running for their keyboards.

[IroNat]

A well known IFBB pro bodybuilder shares his opinion with the world (for free) and predictably here come all the *real* bodybuilding experts running for their keyboards.

Yeah, what does he know?  He fell off his horse.

[Fortress]

A well known IFBB pro bodybuilder shares his opinion with the world (for free) and predictably here come all the *real* bodybuilding experts running for their keyboards.

The falsehood of believing a pro bodybuilder, by virtue of his being a pro bodybuilder, has a greater likelihood of being a “bodybuilding expert”, is well established.

Perhaps a more likely expert on illegal drug use/manipulation or their acquiring, but on diet and weight training?

Nope.

[Methyl m1ke]

The falsehood of believing a pro bodybuilder, by virtue of his being a pro bodybuilder, has a greater likelihood of being a “bodybuilding expert”, is well established.

Perhaps a more likely expert on illegal drug use/manipulation or their acquiring, but on diet and weight training?

Nope.

I refuse to believe you actually truly believe this to be true.

Ya'll have been on the negative end of the internet way, way, WAY too long.

[Fortress]

I refuse to believe you actually truly believe this to be true.

Ya'll have been on the negative end of the internet way, way, WAY too long.

I do believe this.

And I’ve been directly “in the pits” with the biggest names in international professional bodybuilding, so I speak from vast experience.

They’re, generally, not more educated/knowledgeable than Joe Average who’s a very experienced amateur weight-training enthusiast and who’s perhaps stepped onstage a couple of times.

[joswift]

if you do everything else right your diet can be hit and miss, I dont really see much difference whatever I eat, high/low protein, clean foods no sauces as opposed to curry or cream sauces.

As long as you are in a deficit or surplus its normally the only thing that counts, I tried to eat like a bodybuiulder and just felt like shit all the time, constantly bloated, I just now eat normally , a typical western diet

[Methyl m1ke]

I do believe this.

And I’ve been directly “in the pits” with the biggest names in international professional bodybuilding, so I speak from vast experience.

They’re, generally, not more educated/knowledgeable than Joe Average who’s a very experienced amateur weight-training enthusiast and who’s perhaps stepped onstage a couple of times.

Trolling the new guy I get it...

Except I've been on this board longer than you have.

A LOT longer...

BUT troll away if you must  

[Hypertrophy]

I refuse to believe you actually truly believe this to be true.

Ya'll have been on the negative end of the internet way, way, WAY too long.

As if nutrition actually is the reason guys like Branch are big, lol.

Branch without drugs and on a perfect diet = little guy. Period. One of my amateur bicycle racing friends in college started using when it was legal, so he had access to pharma grade everything. Got it from a doctor. He was 5'7, 165 and lean as can be when he started in the fall. By April the next year he was 205, lean as can be and huge. Thanks to mostly Dianabol. He lifted weights throughout this experiment, before, during and after.

After about a year he got worried since he was losing so much hair he figured he was going bald. Coupled with a bunch of other negative symptoms (blood values), he quit the steroids but kept on working out. Within 6 months he was back to 165. Lean as can be, haha.

So much denial in the steroid using community, I think I'm in Egypt.

[Methyl m1ke]

if you do everything else right your diet can be hit and miss, I dont really see much difference whatever I eat, high/low protein, clean foods no sauces as opposed to curry or cream sauces.

As long as you are in a deficit or surplus its normally the only thing that counts, I tried to eat like a bodybuiulder and just felt like shit all the time, constantly bloated, I just now eat normally , a typical western diet

You (and quite a few others) missed the point Branch made. You wouldn't have if you took bodybuilding as serious as he does (or did? I don't know) BUT let me break it down for you-

Genetics
Drugs
Training

Add them altogether and without enough food they equal -ZERO-

That's right-nothing. Even the guys with great genetics who take shitloads of drugs and train like bitches (phil heath being a prime example) still have to eat just like every other genetically less blessed bodybuilder.

All the pros say the same thing- diet is key.  Are they all lying?

Maybe?

Are they possibly just all misinformed?

Possible.

The truth hurts. I hate eating all the time, its the hardest part of bodybuilding for me.

JUST LIKE IT IS FOR MOST ANYONE WHO TAKES BODYBUILDING SERIOUS

I hate for all the people who don't know better to come to this forum and read a thread like this and walk away feeling like the idiots  who don't know shit but post post post like they are experts have shared some kind of insider info cause that's how bullshit misconceptions start. Eventually people hear them enough times and think they're actually true.

[Methyl m1ke]

As if nutrition actually is the reason guys like Branch are big, lol.

Branch without drugs and on a perfect diet = little guy. Period.

Branch WITH drugs but without enough food = little guy. Period.

[joswift]

You (and quite a few others) missed the point Branch made. You wouldn't have if you took bodybuilding as serious as he does (or did? I don't know) BUT let me break it down for you-

Genetics
Drugs
Training

Add them altogether and without enough food they equal -ZERO-

That's right-nothing. Even the guys with great genetics who take shitloads of drugs and train like bitches (phil heath being a prime example) still have to eat just like every other genetically less blessed bodybuilder.

All the pros say the same thing- diet is key.  Are they all lying?

Maybe?

Are they possibly just all misinformed?

Possible.

The truth hurts. I hate eating all the time, its the hardest part of bodybuilding for me.

JUST LIKE IT IS FOR MOST ANYONE WHO TAKES BODYBUILDING SERIOUS

I hate for all the people who don't know better to come to this forum and read a thread like this and walk away feeling like the idiots  who don't know shit but post post post like they are experts have shared some kind of insider info cause that's how bullshit misconceptions start. Eventually people hear them enough times and think they're actually true.

Genetics
Drugs
Food

without training are pointless

Food and what ist made up of is secondary, after all, everything we eat is just differing formations of atoms of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen

Pretty basic really

[Dave D]

Branch should do an experiment and post the results after 6 months.

Train without drugs and a strict diet.

Train without drugs and no diet.

Train with drugs and no diet.


*No diet can be high: calorie, fat, sugars, carbs, etc.. the food should be exactly the same for drug free training as with drugs.

Ronnie Coleman used a lot of bbq sauce precontest, imagine how good he could have looked if he'd eaten clean!

[SF1900]

Branch should do an experiment and post the results after 6 months.

Train without drugs and a strict diet.

Train without drugs and no diet.

Train with drugs and no diet.


*No diet can be high: calorie, fat, sugars, carbs, etc.. the food should be exactly the same for drug free training as with drugs.

Ronnie Coleman used a lot of bbq sauce precontest, imagine how good he could have looked if he'd eaten clean!

Person A: Trains with drugs with shitty diet

Person B: Trains without drugs with great diet.

Person A blows Person B out of the water every single time.

The steroid users do not want to admit this.

[XFACTOR]

Branch should do an experiment and post the results after 6 months.

Train without drugs and a strict diet.

Train without drugs and no diet.

Train with drugs and no diet.


*No diet can be high: calorie, fat, sugars, carbs, etc.. the food should be exactly the same for drug free training as with drugs.

Ronnie Coleman used a lot of bbq sauce precontest, imagine how good he could have looked if he'd eaten clean!

I've done this experiment on my own body.  People that have used hormones know the conclusion to these experiments and none would fully admit to them, albeit I am doing that. Arguing about it is useless as the impacts are on a major scale.  Bodybuilders want you to think they just do a little of this and a little of that but all of them lie.  

[IRON CROSS]

Id say genetics before drugs, because all the drugs in the world won't turn someone into a Ronnie Coleman without the right receptors.

Here is my breakdown:

Genetics: 50%
Drugs: 45%
Diet: 2.5%
Training: 2.5%

& % of training on biceps supinator machinery 

[Bevo]

Trolling the new guy I get it...

Except I've been on this board longer than you have.

A LOT longer...

BUT troll away if you must  

What are your other gimmick accounts?

[Bevo]

Branch WITH drugs but without enough food = little guy. Period.

Not true, he wouldn’t be maximizing his “potential” for sure but far from “little”

Competitive bbing you have to do everything to a T, everyone is doing the same thing, genetics certainly sets you apart from the ordinary/average competitors

Average Joe juicer lifters, you can get away from a bit, you’ll look better juiced eating here and there, then the natural lifter that does everything correctly, again, this is the average juicer vs natural, not competitive bbing

[Bevo]

Id say genetics before drugs, because all the drugs in the world won't turn someone into a Ronnie Coleman without the right receptors.

Here is my breakdown:

Genetics: 50%
Drugs: 45%
Diet: 2.5%
Training: 2.5%

Fixed for you

Genetics : 50%
Drugs : 2 %
Diet : 45 %
Training 3 %

[XFACTOR]

Fixed for you

Genetics : 50%
Drugs : 2 %
Diet : 45 %
Training 3 %

Lol laughable

[Fortress]

Trolling the new guy I get it...

Except I've been on this board longer than you have.

A LOT longer...

BUT troll away if you must  

With all sincerity, I am not trolling you. And I’m not aware of why you think this.

[Fortress]

You (and quite a few others) missed the point Branch made. You wouldn't have if you took bodybuilding as serious as he does (or did? I don't know) BUT let me break it down for you-

Genetics
Drugs
Training

Add them altogether and without enough food they equal -ZERO-

That's right-nothing. Even the guys with great genetics who take shitloads of drugs and train like bitches (phil heath being a prime example) still have to eat just like every other genetically less blessed bodybuilder.

All the pros say the same thing- diet is key.  Are they all lying?

Maybe?

Are they possibly just all misinformed?

Possible.

The truth hurts. I hate eating all the time, its the hardest part of bodybuilding for me.

JUST LIKE IT IS FOR MOST ANYONE WHO TAKES BODYBUILDING SERIOUS

I hate for all the people who don't know better to come to this forum and read a thread like this and walk away feeling like the idiots  who don't know shit but post post post like they are experts have shared some kind of insider info cause that's how bullshit misconceptions start. Eventually people hear them enough times and think they're actually true.

I am an expert. I have been an “insider”. I have competed. I have (briefly) experimented with anabolic steroids.

I have been extraordinarily serious about weight training/bodybuilding/powerlifting since 1985.

P.S. The nutrient-partitioning advantage of steroids alone means an underfed lifter on quality gear will STILL outperform/outgrow a clean lifter who consumes mountains of wholesome grub.

P.P.S. Eating a lot, all the time, IS difficult. No argument.

[SF1900]

Fixed for you

Genetics : 50%
Drugs : 2 %
Diet : 45 %
Training 3 %

This is more like it.