Jet Buyer's Guide

[Palumboism]

A number of new business jets have been launched in the last year along with some new engines.  The aircraft in bold are all new shown with the aircraft they compete against

Small
Cessna Citation M2
Honda Jet
Embraer Phenom 100

Cessna CJ3
Cessna CJ4
Embraer Phenom 300
Pilatus PC-24

Mid-sized
Embraer Legacy 450
Embraer Legacy 500
Embraer Preator 500
Embraer Preator 600
Cessna Latitude
Cessna Longitude

Large
Gulfsteam G500
Gulfstream G600
Bombardier Global 5500
Bombardier Global 6500
Bombardier Global 7500
Bombardier Global 8000

[joswift]

[Palumboism]

The Pilatus PC-24 competes against the Embraer Phenom 300 and Cessna CJ3, CJ4.  Note the flat floor, which is a first for the small jet market.   

[che]

[MAXX]

peasant planes

50ft minimum

[Humble Narcissist]

If it flies, floats or fucks rent don't buy.

[IroNat]

Good to know as I am planning on trading in my 10 year old Learjet.

Looking to step up in grade to a jet with a solid gold toilet seat.

[Dave D]

This is good info.

With all tbe money i'm saving by cutting my own hair I'll easily be able to pay for new jet in case.

[Taffin]

The Pilatus PC-24 competes against the Embraer Phenom 300 and Cessna CJ3, CJ4.  Note the flat floor, which is a first for the small jet market.   

Why is this?  Engineering?  Physics?

[Palumboism]

Why is this?  Engineering?  Physics?

Dimensions.  They made the cabin wide enough to accommodate a flat floor.  The engineering on this aircraft is excellent.  They evaluated one thousand different airfoil shapes to come up with the design of the wing and choose a blend of four. 

The large cargo door was particularly challenging and the head of the program said if we don't have the cargo door, we don't have a jet.  They found a way to make the door work and it's huge. 

[oldtimer1]

The only plane I might be able to afford.

[Darren Avey]

Too small. I own a Boeing simply because I must have a gym on board.
You ever done squats at 30,000 feet? Great fun,I recommend it.

[13B-T]

You missed the Gulfstream G280 for mid cabin.

[Palumboism]

Cessna Citation Longitude Enters Service
by Jerry Siebenmark

Textron Aviation’s new Cessna Citation Longitude has entered service following first deliveries of the super-midsize jet, the Wichita-based airframer announced today. The clean-sheet twinjet, the largest of the Citation lineup

Textron Aviation did not disclose the recipients of the first Longitudes. Fractional provider NetJets is among the type’s biggest customers, having agreed to purchase up to 175 Longitudes, including an option to take first deliveries in the second half of this year

Powered by two 7,665-pound-thrust Honeywell HTF7700L turbofan engines, the $26.9 million Longitude has a 3,500-nm range and a maximum cruise speed of 483 knots. It seats up to 12 passengers in its six-foot-high, flat-floor cabin and has a 39,500-pound mtow.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2019-10-02/cessna-citation-longitude-enters-service

Cessna just delivered the first Longitude this week.  This aircraft already has 175 orders from NetJets alone and is the largest jet ever made by Cessna.  Cessna waited ten months for FAA certification.

[Palumboism]

By the Engine manufacturers:

Williams
Cirrus Jet
Cessna M2
Cessna CJ3
Cessna CJ4
Pilatus PC-24

Williams dominates the small jet market.

Honeywell:
Bombardier Challenger 350
Gulfstream G280
Embraer Legacy 500
Embraer Legacy 450
Embraer Preator 500
Embraer Preator 600
Cessna Longitude
Dassault Falcon 8X

Honeywell dominates the mid-sized jet market

Pratt and Whitney:
Embraer Phenom 100
Embraer Phenom 300
Cessna Latitude
Cessna Soverign
Gulfstream G500, G600

Pratt and Whiney's engine linup is the broadest in the industry.

Rolls Royce:
Gulfstream G650
Bombardier Global 5500, 6500

GE:
Bombardier Global 7500, 8000

[Palumboism]

Cessna longitude cockpit with Garmin G5000 avionics.

[Palumboism]

The Cessna Latitude was originally delivered in 2015 and has already made 100 deliveries.  Netjets has placed an order for 200 Latitudes.  Between the Longitude and Latitude Cessna will dominate the mid-sized cabin market.

[oldtimer1]

When I was in college I worked in a little airport in Jersey near NYC. It's called Teterboro airport. It's where the rich and famous fly into to head to NYC. It's a short 25 minute ride if that into Manhattan. Many times in the terminal the only ones there were myself and a lineman at night. The choice of jet they chartered was the Learjet at the time.

Saw Mick Jagger and Jerry Hall get off one. Again, no one in the terminal but his limo driver, a lineman(jet fueler) and myself. Saw Bill Cosby and two white super model types who were with the limo driver. Both wearing very shear body suits and heels. Saw many others like Willy Nelson, Meat Loaf, and the lead singer from REO Speedwagon.  

[Palumboism]

The Praetor 500 and 600 are longer range versions of the Legacy 450 and 500 which were FAA certified this year.  

Embraer's strongest model is still the Phenom 300.

General Aviation Aircraft Shipment Report:
Embraer's 2018 business jet sales
Phenom 100       11
Phenom 300       53
Legacy 450         14
Legacy 500         9
Legacy 650         4

[Palumboism]

When I was in college I worked in a little airport in Jersey near NYC. It's called Teterboro airport. It's where the rich and famous fly into to head to NYC. It's a short 25 minute ride if that into Manhattan. Many times in the terminal the only ones there were myself and a lineman at night. The choice of jet they chartered was the Learjet at the time.
 

Bill Lear was probably the most important single person in business jet aviation.  The Learjet 23 is the forefather of all small business jets.  

Learjet 23 require a hushkit to legally be able to land in the lower 48 because of the noise they produce.  

Bill Lear also designed the Learstar which later became the Challenger 600 and is the basis of all Bombardier jets including the CRJ regional jets and the Global series.

I didn't mention the Lear 75 above because it's showing it's age and doesn't sell nearly as well as the newer offerings from Embraer, Cessna, and Pilatus.  Lear only sold 12 Learjets last year compared to 64 for the Embraer Phenom and 101 for the Cessna CJ series.   A carbon fiber Learjet 85 was in development, but was shelved when Bombardier was having difficulties with the CS100 commercial jet.  

[Irongrip400]

I looked into this, for shits and giggles one time when I was pissed at the airport, and the cost of one of those small jets will run you almost $500k a year by the time you factor in the upkeep, storage and pilot for the thing. I’d rather just keep flying first class, unless you buy one of the large commercial jets that’s coming off line. Those are cheap, relatively speaking.

[IRON CROSS]

A.Gore lecture others about climate , but he love jet travel !.

[Palumboism]

I looked into this, for shits and giggles one time when I was pissed at the airport, and the cost of one of those small jets will run you almost $500k a year by the time you factor in the upkeep, storage and pilot for the thing. I’d rather just keep flying first class, unless you buy one of the large commercial jets that’s coming off line. Those are cheap, relatively speaking.

I'm not implying jets are affordable, or even that anyone should buy one.  You pretty much need to be a pilot to make it make any kind of financial sense. 

This is a video of a guy who bought an M2 for business and used to fly a Bonanza on oxygen at 19,000 feet.  He says the jet is much more relaxing to fly and he uses it all the time for business. 

The M2 is the best of the entry level small cabin jets.  It competes with the Phenom 100 and Honda Jet.  Occasional the Honda jet outsell the M2, but that's only because they have heavy fleet sales.  The M2 is the clear winner in the category.

[Palumboism]

Bombardier’s first Global 6500 has entered service, a milestone reached just a week after the ultra-long-range model and its sibling, the Global 5500, received Transport Canada approval on September 24.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2019-10-01/bombardiers-global-6500-enters-service

[Palumboism]

Textron Aviation’s Flagship Longitude Receives FAA Type Certification
By Rob Mark

Textron Aviation, parent company of Cessna Aircraft, said yesterday that its new super-midsize business jet, the Citation Longitude, has received its type certification from the FAA.

The new Citation Longitude includes seating for up to 12 passengers.  At maximum cruise altitude—45,000 feet—the Longitude’s cabin climbs no higher than 5,950 feet above sea level. The Longitude is powered by a pair of FADEC-equipped Honeywell HTF7700L turbofan engines.

Early in its development program, the Citation Longitude exceeded initial performance targets achieving an improved transcontinental range of 3,500 nautical miles and a full fuel payload of 1,600 pounds. The longest-range Citation delivers a maximum cruise speed of 483 ktas.

https://www.flyingmag.com/citation-longitude-faa-certification/




This is the largest jet Cessna has ever delivered.  Netjets has ordered 175 longitues.