Author Topic: The Pareto Principle - in training and theory  (Read 5092 times)

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Re: the Pareto Principle in training..
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2019, 09:02:50 AM »
I think you are missing the idea behind the initial post. The Pareto Principle states that 80% of your gains come from 20% of your efforts. This was first proposed describing economic activity. In my business I clearly see 20% of my products creating at least 80% of my profit. This has nothing to do with your efforts in those areas- it simply recognizes the way economics works.

If you expand this idea outside economics you might see the same thing- such as 80% of your muscular gains come from 20% of your exercises. Again, this has nothing to do with how hard you work at it- it just means that some things have a greater contribution to your objectives than others. So if instead of doing 20 different exercises to build a physique you find that the a few basic movements give you the biggest changes then that is your Pareto principle in action. Nothing stopping you from doing more exercises to get that 90% level...
I wouldnt bother, hes never going to get it...

he cant even see the same pronciple applies to golf, the shot that puts the ball in the hole are the most important and that is around 20% or maybe 1% if you take 300 shots to get around the course..

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Re: the Pareto Principle in training..
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2019, 09:33:37 AM »
I wouldnt bother, hes never going to get it...

he cant even see the same principle applies to golf, the shot that puts the ball in the hole are the most important and that is around 20% or maybe 1% if you take 300 shots to get around the course..

Exactly! I know a pro golfer- about one level below the PGA Tour. He told me that most of the gains in golf  are made learning to putt since most people can get the ball to the green pretty easily. He spent hours practicing just hitting the ball less than 10 feet.

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Re: the Pareto Principle in training..
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2019, 09:40:31 AM »

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Re: the Pareto Principle in training..
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2019, 12:00:07 PM »


this is just a theory by the way but it makes sense...



It's call "Safety Fat" principle  ;)

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Re: the Pareto Principle in training..
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2019, 12:07:42 PM »
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Re: the Pareto Principle in training..
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2019, 12:25:56 PM »
Is that what he's saying? By "exercise and habits" it seems he's talking about the whole lifestyle. Like diet would be a good example when you consider the time and effort some put into weighing, measuring, keeping a record of every calorie and food group; tracking daily macronutrient ratios. Does it really make that much of a difference? I guess it's worth if you can find a sucker that cooks and prepares all your meals.

Then there's 5 sets versus 3 sets versus 9 sets. Should you do 8 reps? 10? 12? Toes in? Toes out on calf raises? Does it really make that much of a difference?

I think, say, the Nautilus type machines biceps are superior to free weights because it better matches your strength curve and provides full range of motion. But does it really help developed your biceps more? If Arnold did everything the same but used modern curling machines, even Basile's supinator, would his arms be even bigger and more peaked?

Regarding the magical cam on the Nautilus machine. I highly doubt that it was that thought out. Every time I bring this up someone copies and pastes what his followers would use to counter what I would say. They got a guy to post a mass of physics math equations with no values plugged in which amounted to deception claiming this is how the strength curves were figured out with the cams.

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Re: the Pareto Principle in training..
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2019, 12:46:29 PM »

I travel light, my back backpack is 40L (PacSafe brand) Carry-on-Jet, BUT that arse must be at the least 80L capacity  :o ::)


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Re: the Pareto Principle in training..
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2019, 12:50:47 PM »
I travel light, my back backpack is 40L (PacSafe brand) Carry-on-Jet, BUT that arse must be at the least 80L capacity  :o ::)


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How would you react with that arse in front of you?

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Re: the Pareto Principle in training..
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2019, 12:56:02 PM »

How would you react with that arse in front of you?



Honestly I would get sick !, it's vomiting scenery.

I despise fat people to the max.


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Re: the Pareto Principle in training..
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2019, 09:54:36 PM »
Regarding the magical cam on the Nautilus machine. I highly doubt that it was that thought out. Every time I bring this up someone copies and pastes what his followers would use to counter what I would say. They got a guy to post a mass of physics math equations with no values plugged in which amounted to deception claiming this is how the strength curves were figured out with the cams.

Nobody said it was magical. You have no idea how "thought out" it was let alone getting it into production. It was an advancement with what was currently available. Machine before were just pulleys and glides keeping the resistance in a fixed motion. The first Nautilus machine was the pullover. It allowed full range continuous resistance. Far superior to the dumbbell pullover which just put the maximum stress in the full stretch position getting less as you go through the movement until there is no stress at all on the lats by the time your elbows are in line with the shoulders. This was a Dorian mainstay.

Those free weight leg extension and leg curl machines were horrible. You only get full resistance, as you do with all full weight movements, when the resistance is perpendicular to the floor. The cam matched a person's strength curve far better.

And things have improved over the decades. There's a line of equipment with different cams that allow different variations in the strength curve.

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Re: the Pareto Principle in training..
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2019, 12:05:06 PM »
Honestly I would get sick !, it's vomiting scenery.

I despise fat people to the max.



Nobody said it was magical!
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Re: the Pareto Principle in training..
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2019, 12:40:21 PM »
Arthur Jones did not invent the cam.

It appeared on exercise machines many years before Nautilus.