Author Topic: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving  (Read 18717 times)

Primemuscle

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 42304
Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2019, 07:58:06 PM »
https://www.alternet.org/2019/11/heres-why-we-shouldnt-celebrate-thanksgiving/

After years of being constantly annoyed and often angry about the historical denial built into Thanksgiving Day, I published an essay in November 2005 suggesting we replace the feasting with fasting and create a National Day of Atonement to acknowledge the genocide of indigenous people that is central to the creation of the United States.

I expected criticism from right-wing and centrist people, given their common commitment to this country’s distorted self-image that supports the triumphalist/supremacist notions about the United States so common in conventional politics, and I got plenty of such critique. But I was surprised by the resistance from liberals, including a considerable number of my friends.

The most common argument went something like this: OK, it’s true that the Thanksgiving Day mythology is rooted in a fraudulent story — about the European invaders coming in peace to the “New World,” eager to cooperate with indigenous people — which conveniently ignores the reality of European barbarism in the conquest of the continent. But we can reject the culture’s self-congratulatory attempts to rewrite history, I have been told, and come together on Thanksgiving to celebrate the love and connections among family and friends.

The argument that we can ignore the collective cultural definition of Thanksgiving and create our own meaning in private has always struck me as odd. This commitment to Thanksgiving puts these left/radical critics in the position of internalizing one of the central messages promoted by the ideologues of capitalism — that individual behavior in private is more important than collective action in public. The claim that through private action we can create our own reality is one of the key tenets of a predatory corporate capitalism that naturalizes unjust hierarchy, a part of the overall project of discouraging political struggle and encouraging us to retreat into a private realm where life is defined by consumption.

So this November, rather than mount another attack on the national mythology around Thanksgiving — a mythology that amounts to a kind of holocaust denial, and which has been critiqued for many years by many people — I want to explore why so many who understand and accept this critique still celebrate Thanksgiving, and why rejecting such celebrations sparks such controversy.

Not to make light of your well thought out post, but don't you like turkey with all the fixings? What about pumpkin or pecan pie? Hard cider?  ;D

Thanksgiving in my family this year was anything but the traditional Hallmark card kind of celebration. -Skyped with my son and German family, none of whom celebrate Thanksgiving for obvious reasons (it is not a German tradition). -Had Thanksgiving breakfast with my daughter and family and then we all went to the theater to see 'Knives Out'.

With my daughter being the social planner, Christmas is bound to be just as differnent and off beat. Nothing says we have to do the same things we always have. Actually, she mentioned having  a brunch on Christmas day or maybe an afternoon dessert and coffee.

ponal

  • Getbig III
  • ***
  • Posts: 407
Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
« Reply #51 on: November 30, 2019, 07:10:38 AM »
Not to make light of your well thought out post, but don't you like turkey with all the fixings? What about pumpkin or pecan pie? Hard cider?  ;D

Thanksgiving in my family this year was anything but the traditional Hallmark card kind of celebration. -Skyped with my son and German family, none of whom celebrate Thanksgiving for obvious reasons (it is not a German tradition). -Had Thanksgiving breakfast with my daughter and family and then we all went to the theater to see 'Knives Out'.

With my daughter being the social planner, Christmas is bound to be just as differnent and off beat. Nothing says we have to do the same things we always have. Actually, she mentioned having  a brunch on Christmas day or maybe an afternoon dessert and coffee.
What about Bulls balls?

oldgolds

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1638
Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
« Reply #52 on: November 30, 2019, 07:21:42 AM »
It wasn't genocide...Genocide is trying to destroy the entire group. America set up a system of reservations to try and educate Indians and teach them civilized behavior. Anyone who has read history from that era knows the Native Americans were more brutal than the White Man. Torture, slavery were an integral part of their culture.
Many White Men were roasted alive by Apache, Comanche etc. and many thousand White Women were raped by the "noble red man".
The ignorance of the liberal mind  is truly astounding....

GigantorX

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 6379
  • GetBig's A-Team is the Light of Truth!
Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
« Reply #53 on: November 30, 2019, 07:49:26 AM »
One civilization met another civilization.

One lost and the other was victorious.

The end.


Griffith

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 9339
  • .......
Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2019, 09:48:40 AM »
One civilization met another civilization.

One lost and the other was victorious.

The end.



To have attained civilisation, a group needs to have met certain requirements such as written language, stone structures etc.

Sissysquats

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1101
Re: Here's why we shouldnt celebrate Thanksgiving
« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2019, 12:13:37 PM »
https://www.alternet.org/2019/11/heres-why-we-shouldnt-celebrate-thanksgiving/

After years of being constantly annoyed and often angry about the historical denial built into Thanksgiving Day, I published an essay in November 2005 suggesting we replace the feasting with fasting and create a National Day of Atonement to acknowledge the genocide of indigenous people that is central to the creation of the United States.

I expected criticism from right-wing and centrist people, given their common commitment to this country’s distorted self-image that supports the triumphalist/supremacist notions about the United States so common in conventional politics, and I got plenty of such critique. But I was surprised by the resistance from liberals, including a considerable number of my friends.

The most common argument went something like this: OK, it’s true that the Thanksgiving Day mythology is rooted in a fraudulent story — about the European invaders coming in peace to the “New World,” eager to cooperate with indigenous people — which conveniently ignores the reality of European barbarism in the conquest of the continent. But we can reject the culture’s self-congratulatory attempts to rewrite history, I have been told, and come together on Thanksgiving to celebrate the love and connections among family and friends.

The argument that we can ignore the collective cultural definition of Thanksgiving and create our own meaning in private has always struck me as odd. This commitment to Thanksgiving puts these left/radical critics in the position of internalizing one of the central messages promoted by the ideologues of capitalism — that individual behavior in private is more important than collective action in public. The claim that through private action we can create our own reality is one of the key tenets of a predatory corporate capitalism that naturalizes unjust hierarchy, a part of the overall project of discouraging political struggle and encouraging us to retreat into a private realm where life is defined by consumption.

So this November, rather than mount another attack on the national mythology around Thanksgiving — a mythology that amounts to a kind of holocaust denial, and which has been critiqued for many years by many people — I want to explore why so many who understand and accept this critique still celebrate Thanksgiving, and why rejecting such celebrations sparks such controversy.

  I will do what’s right for me. You do what’s right for you. There is NO “we”