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The Irishman
« on: December 01, 2019, 04:26:42 AM »
https://www.the123movies.gdn/the-irishman-2019/

You'll enjoy every bit of the 3:30.  :)

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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2019, 05:16:55 AM »
Wow, thanks man

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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2019, 06:02:17 AM »
It's great. I watched it a few days ago.

It's a nice love letter to the genre, other Scorsese films, and his band of actors. If you're a film fan, the 3 hours goes by very fast. Pesci deserves the best supporting actor nod for playing Bufalino. He's wonderful in the part, the best of all three of the main actors, it's sad we may not see him like this again. Pacino plays with the role, and does a bit of scene chewing, but overall a great performance. My main criticism is that he's a little off physically compared to Hoffa, but that can't be helped.

Deniro is the weakest of the three, but still a great performance. You catch him doing some of the cliche "Deniroisms" in the film that might not of been there if this was made a decade or so ago. I also don't like him as an extended narrator, he's not horrible, he just isn't built for it. If you compare it to the narration by Liotta in Goodfellas, you see where it falls short.

My two main criticisms are that he might of let the actors have a little to much fun in the roles. A few scenes are played up too much for comic effect. And the film de-aging isn't quite there yet.

The de-aging works pretty good on Pesci and Pacino where they're only shaving a couple of decades and aren't trying to replace muscle, fat, etc.... But on Deniro, where they're pulling off 30-35 years, and trying to make him seem rough and tumble, you see it. Sometimes he looks like a old man with a fresh botox and "Just for Men" job.

You also see it in the way the guys move sometimes when they get up from chairs, etc.... There is one grocery store scene with Deniro where you really see it. I won't ruin it, but it will leave you  :-\  ;D.

You do get used to it, so it won't ruin the film.

Really great entry into the Scorsese canon, and a nice way to see a lot of his main players go out. I give it an 8.5 - 10.

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On a side note, I notice a few younger people can't sit through a 3 hour movie, so try this if you must -

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKjXJZMWoAIkrLV?format=jpg .

You can chop it into a mini-series pretty easily.


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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2019, 06:08:50 AM »
Also the film pairs well with Casino (there is story overlap), so that might work if you're on a Scorsese film kick.

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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2019, 06:17:39 AM »
It's great. I watched it a few days ago.

It's a nice love letter to the genre, other Scorsese films, and his band of actors. If you're a film fan, the 3 hours goes by very fast. Pesci deserves the best supporting actor nod for playing Bufalino. He's wonderful in the part, the best of all three of the main actors, it's sad we may not see him like this again. Pacino plays with the role, and does a bit of scene chewing, but overall a great performance. My main criticism is that he's a little off physically compared to Hoffa, but that can't be helped.

Deniro is the weakest of the three, but still a great performance. You catch him doing some of the cliche "Deniroisms" in the film that might not of been there if this was made a decade or so ago. I also don't like him as an extended narrator, he's not horrible, he just isn't built for it. If you compare it to the narration by Liotta in Goodfellas, you see where it falls short.

My two main criticisms are that he might of let the actors have a little to much fun in the roles. A few scenes are played up too much for comic effect. And the film de-aging isn't quite there yet.

The de-aging works pretty good on Pesci and Pacino where they're only shaving a couple of decades and aren't trying to replace muscle, fat, etc.... But on Deniro, where they're pulling off 30-35 years, and trying to make him seem rough and tumble, you see it. Sometimes he looks like a old man with a fresh botox and "Just for Men" job.

You also see it in the way the guys move sometimes when they get up from chairs, etc.... There is one grocery store scene with Deniro where you really see it. I won't ruin it, but it will leave you  :-\  ;D.

You do get used to it, so it won't ruin the film.

Really great entry into the Scorsese canon, and a nice way to see a lot of his main players go out. I give it an 8.5 - 10.

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On a side note, I notice a few younger people can't sit through a 3 hour movie, so try this if you must -

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKjXJZMWoAIkrLV?format=jpg .

You can chop it into a mini-series pretty easily.


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Apparently, the film was based off of Frank Sheeran's narrative of what happened, which has been disputed by critics. Some still question whether Sheeran actually killed Hoffa. Hmmmmm.
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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2019, 06:20:28 AM »
Just watched it.

Good flick but pretty much the same old Scorsese script.

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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2019, 06:20:51 AM »
It's great. I watched it a few days ago.

It's a nice love letter to the genre, other Scorsese films, and his band of actors. If you're a film fan, the 3 hours goes by very fast. Pesci deserves the best supporting actor nod for playing Bufalino. He's wonderful in the part, the best of all three of the main actors, it's sad we may not see him like this again. Pacino plays with the role, and does a bit of scene chewing, but overall a great performance. My main criticism is that he's a little off physically compared to Hoffa, but that can't be helped.

Deniro is the weakest of the three, but still a great performance. You catch him doing some of the cliche "Deniroisms" in the film that might not of been there if this was made a decade or so ago. I also don't like him as an extended narrator, he's not horrible, he just isn't built for it. If you compare it to the narration by Liotta in Goodfellas, you see where it falls short.

My two main criticisms are that he might of let the actors have a little to much fun in the roles. A few scenes are played up too much for comic effect. And the film de-aging isn't quite there yet.

The de-aging works pretty good on Pesci and Pacino where they're only shaving a couple of decades and aren't trying to replace muscle, fat, etc.... But on Deniro, where they're pulling off 30-35 years, and trying to make him seem rough and tumble, you see it. Sometimes he looks like a old man with a fresh botox and "Just for Men" job.

You also see it in the way the guys move sometimes when they get up from chairs, etc.... There is one grocery store scene with Deniro where you really see it. I won't ruin it, but it will leave you  :-\  ;D.

You do get used to it, so it won't ruin the film.

Really great entry into the Scorsese canon, and a nice way to see a lot of his main players go out. I give it an 8.5 - 10.

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On a side note, I notice a few younger people can't sit through a 3 hour movie, so try this if you must -

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKjXJZMWoAIkrLV?format=jpg .

You can chop it into a mini-series pretty easily.


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Could you link me to when DeNiro and the guys get up from chairs or the grocery-scene?
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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2019, 06:27:47 AM »
Apparently, the film was based off of Frank Sheeran's narrative of what happened, which has been disputed by critics. Some still question whether Sheeran actually killed Hoffa. Hmmmmm.

Yeah. Honesty, I don't think he did it, but I do think he was close enough to the main players to get a general idea of how it happened. And most of the main players in the film are guys that fit into the theory the FBI came up with at one point, so :shrug:.

Goodfellas was like that too, Henry Hill was a smaller time gangster than he let on, but he could work all the tales into a good story with some help.

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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2019, 06:35:21 AM »
Could you link me to when DeNiro and the guys get up from chairs or the grocery-scene?

Can't with the chairs, but you notice them hunching more, etc.... Just not the way most 40 - 60 year olds move.

Grocery scene -

https://i.imgur.com/opqPE8A.gif .


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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2019, 06:50:55 AM »
way too long and it was no Goodfellas or Casino, real let down..

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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2019, 07:06:24 AM »
Can't with the chairs, but you notice them hunching more, etc.... Just not the way most 40 - 60 year olds move.

Grocery scene -

https://i.imgur.com/opqPE8A.gif .



Looks quite old to me :D
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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2019, 07:08:52 AM »
way too long and it was no Goodfellas or Casino, real let down..

Not surprised. Hollywood is done. Best to divorce yourself from it.

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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2019, 07:10:09 AM »
Yeah. Honesty, I don't think he did it, but I do think he was close enough to the main players to get a general idea of how it happened. And most of the main players in the film are guys that fit into the theory the FBI came up with at one point, so :shrug:.

Goodfellas was like that too, Henry Hill was a smaller time gangster than he let on, but he could work all the tales into a good story with some help.

Nonetheless a good movie.

 Definitely worth the watch!
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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2019, 07:49:03 AM »
Can't with the chairs, but you notice them hunching more, etc.... Just not the way most 40 - 60 year olds move.

Grocery scene -

https://i.imgur.com/opqPE8A.gif .



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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2019, 07:50:08 AM »
Can't wait to watch.

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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2019, 08:05:03 AM »
I won’t spend one cent on a Robert DeNiro movie.

That liberal crybaby can eat shit.

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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2019, 08:06:40 AM »
I won’t spend one cent on a Robert DeNiro movie.

That liberal crybaby can eat shit.
I'm watching for Pesci.

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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2019, 08:10:59 AM »
I won’t spend one cent on a Robert DeNiro movie.

That liberal crybaby can eat shit.

Awwww, did Robert De Niro hurt your feelings :'(, talking about crybaby  :'( :'( :'( :'(

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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2019, 08:29:04 AM »
Here's a little chart with the actors next to their real life counter parts -

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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2019, 08:58:28 AM »
Great 'revue', BB!

I read the book and just happened to watch the Hoffa killing part on NJetflix which was filmed exactly as the book explained it.

The driver of the automobile which drove Hoffa and Sheeran to the house was somehow related to Hoffa (adopted??) and had no idea what was going on .... nor was at all involved in the killing if I recall correctly.

What ever happened to him before, during, and after Hoffa was 'off-tud'?

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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2019, 09:25:18 AM »
Apparently, the film was based off of Frank Sheeran's narrative of what happened, which has been disputed by critics. Some still question whether Sheeran actually killed Hoffa. Hmmmmm.

I watched about 1/2 to 3/4 of the film. I definitely thought Deniros performance was the weakest in the movie. Didn't seem believable at all. Pacino, pesci, keitel all did really good. The story is good enough to ignore deniros effort.... I never heard of Sheehan prior to this movie and didn't know about him and Hoffa so that for the spoiler.

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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2019, 09:40:25 AM »

What ever happened to him before, during, and after Hoffa was 'off-tud'?

Yeah, I wish they would've showed a little more of that part, but it's a little late in the film, and I guess they didn't want to add more. For his part, Chuck O'brien (Hoffa's right hand man since he (o'brien) was in his 20's) said that he did drive that car, and was making pick ups, but Hoffa never met him. The FBI claims that Hoffa was in the car at some point, but they could never prove when.

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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2019, 09:55:28 AM »
Yeah, I wish they would've showed a little more of that part, but it's a little late in the film, and I guess they didn't want to add more. For his part, Chuck O'brien (Hoffa's right hand man since he (o'brien) was in his 20's) said that he did drive that car, and was making pick ups, but Hoffa never met him. The FBI claims that Hoffa was in the car at some point, but they could never prove when.

wasnt Hoffa's son in the car when he dropped him and De Niro off, surely he knew what happened..

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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2019, 10:09:32 AM »
Awwww, did Robert De Niro hurt your feelings :'(, talking about crybaby  :'( :'( :'( :'(

No, liberals aren’t relevant, but their childish behavior is a source of amusement.

Liberalism is dead and President Donald Trump (with a lot of help from Barry Obozo) killed it.

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Re: The Irishman
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2019, 10:20:48 AM »
wasnt Hoffa's son in the car when he dropped him and De Niro off, surely he knew what happened..

Yeah, the adopted son is Chuck O'brien. They make it seem like he really was Hoffa's son in the film, but he was a young teamster friend of the family Hoffa took under his wing in the 50's. He admits he was driving that car ( borrowed from a gangster everyone all knew ), but that he never saw Hoffa, Sheeran, etc.... on that day. He just ran regular errands like getting the fish, and that was it.

The FBI claims they had Hoffa's scent in the car, and much later found a hair, but they could never prove when Hoffa left it.

 https://www.nytimes.com/1975/08/29/archives/obrien-denies-hoffa-presence-in-car-he-used.html .

 https://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/08/us/dna-said-to-link-a-friend-to-75-hoffa-disappearance.html .