2020 SARMS Ban - I am going to jail

[deadz]

I’M GOING TO JAIL, SARMS BAN 2020

On Nov. 18 2019, China introduced new laws banning production and export of SARMs.

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Who cares! They are GARBAGE!

[Van_Bilderass]

If you're questioning the effectiveness of SARMS or MK-677 I suggest you give them a try and find out for yourself.
There is a reason the government is trying to make SARMs a controlled substance, cause they work!

I don't think it has anything to with if they work. I suspect it's at least partly due to WADA lobbying. They just don't like substances banned, by them, floating around in regular society. They have complained for years about China and their PED production. But really, what does the larger society care about what WADA thinks is fair in sports? They shouldn't dictate things like this - but they are worried that Joe Public loses all respect for tested sport and stop seeing PEDs as evil. Everyone and their brother will be on drugs "for longevity and daily performance". Who cares about their drug moralizing at that point?

I know people, now elderly, who hated steroids with a passion. They were evil somehow. These are the guys who may still refuse TRT even if it helped them - because steroids are baaad.

[pellius]

Though they were elderly patients and not lifting weights or probably not even doing much exercise.

Note also that their bone mineral density increased. And their 'fat free mass significantly increased' by an average 2.7 kg's and daily usage 'significantly increased growth hormone and insulin-like growth factor I levels to those of healthy young adults without serious adverse effects.'

It does not increase strength, but the main advantage for training is the much quicker recovery from exercise and injuries, increased energy, and also deeper sleep. It also gives a fuller look to muscles.

I can only surmise that the increase in fat with the MK-677 group was due the increase appetite
that the compound allegedly stimulates. It makes absolute no sense that an increase in lean muscle mass didn't produce an increase in strength. Was that additional muscle inert? I think the problem is being able to properly measure strength because there are so many variables involved.

[Van_Bilderass]

I can only surmise that the increase in fat with the MK-677 group was due the increase appetite
that the compound allegedly stimulates. It makes absolute no sense that an increase in lean muscle mass didn't produce an increase in strength. Was that additional muscle inert? I think the problem is being able to properly measure strength because there are so many variables involved.

Yeah, one researcher who ran studies on MK at a university hospital near me said the compound worked very well for GH and IGF-1 but it would be hard to market with the appetite sides, therefore unlikely to reach the commercial market.

GH increases lbm too but "everyone" thinks the "lbm" isn't muscle protein for the most part, it's all the other stuff that registers as lbm. Strength can go down with preserved or even increased muscle if you are inactive (testosterone/inactivity studies).

[Montague]

Yeah, one researcher who ran studies on MK at a university hospital near me said the compound worked very well for GH and IGF-1 but it would be hard to market with the appetite sides, therefore unlikely to reach the commercial market.

GH increases lbm too but "everyone" thinks the "lbm" isn't muscle protein for the most part, it's all the other stuff that registers as lbm. Strength can go down with preserved or even increased muscle if you are inactive (testosterone/inactivity studies).

Van,
Did you also gain a lot of water on it?

[Van_Bilderass]

Van,
Did you also gain a lot of water on it?

Yes, actually to an unhealthy degree. It only seems to happen in a bad way if I'm doing a too many roids, on say 500mg of test I'm fine. I mean I have put on 10lbs in 2 days with it (2 pills)  - all water of course, causing edema on ankles etc. I couldn't achieve that even on 200iu of insulin
I think this must be very unhealthy so I would suggest figuring out how to eliminate the edema if this happens.

Even 5mg works though it seems 20-30mg is average dose. Studies used up to 100mg. From what I remember most of the effects are reasized at about 10-20mg.

If I were in the US where I could easily get peptides, I would love to try MK with CJC-1295 (with DAC). Lots of claims of people achieving crazy IGF-1 levels, some comparing it to 8-10iu of pharma growth.

People seem sceptical over something sold so openly and cheap, they think it must be shit. Kind of like juicers laughed a Superdrol and M1T - how could they work if it was sold at bb.com. Those are some of strongest steroids ever sold. Some of the best drugs ever were sold at bb.com, think about it.

As far as the SARMs go, I don't think they have been shown to do anything steroids can't do. Conventional anabolics can rightly be called SARMs also. SELECTIVE effects is the keyword, which is why anabolics were developed in the first place. They wanted more muscle, less sides, same as with SARMs. It would be a lie to say SARMs barely have sides - you cannot divorce anabolic effects from all androgenic effects. So they aren't interesting to me - but sure if I found they had some unique properties I'd consider them.

[falco]

[falco]

If you're questioning the effectiveness of SARMS or MK-677 I suggest you give them a try and find out for yourself.
There is a reason the government is trying to make SARMs a controlled substance, cause they work!

Or because there is not one single reliable study about them regarding human health.

[IronMagazine.com]

SARMs and Testosterone (AAS)

[Griffith]

IGF-1 increases with MK-677 only on higher doses though there is still a large increase of HGH at lower doses.

For instance, at 10-15 mg you're mainly getting the benefits of HGH.

Also people will take this to increase their quality of life, heal from injuries, reduce pain, increase energy and sleep better.

And again, MK-677 at 25 mg was shown to put these levels at those of a young adult.

[pellius]

IGF-1 increases with MK-677 only on higher doses though there is still a large increase of HGH at lower doses.

For instance, at 10-15 mg you're mainly getting the benefits of HGH.

Also people will take this to increase their quality of life, heal from injuries, reduce pain, increase energy and sleep better.

And again, MK-677 at 25 mg was shown to put these levels at those of a young adult.

"IFG increase ONLY on higher doses/ Large increase in IGF on lower doses."

I'm confused.

[Griffith]

"IFG increase ONLY on higher doses/ Large increase in IGF on lower doses."

I'm confused.

I have read a study which showed that on lower doses it's mainly HGH which increases, IGF to a lesser degree, but there is still an increase.

At higher doses, for instance at 20 mg, the HGH increase is not that much more than at 10 mg, however at 20 mg the IGF-1 will be considerably higher, eg: let's say 150 % increase instead of 50 %.

So there is a lower dosage level for diminishing returns for an increase in HGH and a higher dosage level for diminishing returns for IGF-1.

In summary, at lower doses MK-677 mainly increases HGH, but at higher levels it starts to considerably increase IGF-1 as well.

This was my understanding at least.

[IronMagazine.com]

SARMs and MK-677 absolutely work and anyone who says they don't has obviously not tried them.

[IRON CROSS]

SARMs and MK-677 absolutely work and anyone who says they don't has obviously not tried them.

Just state your medical qualifications & name medical centre where do you work, thanks 

[IronMagazine.com]

Just state your medical qualifications & name medical centre where do you work, thanks  

I am self employed and I do not sell SARMs.

[pellius]

I have read a study which showed that on lower doses it's mainly HGH which increases, IGF to a lesser degree, but there is still an increase.

At higher doses, for instance at 20 mg, the HGH increase is not that much more than at 10 mg, however at 20 mg the IGF-1 will be considerably higher, eg: let's say 150 % increase instead of 50 %.

So there is a lower dosage level for diminishing returns for an increase in HGH and a higher dosage level for diminishing returns for IGF-1.

In summary, at lower doses MK-677 mainly increases HGH, but at higher levels it starts to considerably increase IGF-1 as well.

This was my understanding at least.

I thought their was a direct correlation between HGH and IGF. The higher the HGH the higher the IGF. I thought it was one of the ways they measured HGH output.

[pellius]

I am self employed and I do not sell SARMs.

What did you mean when you started this thread? I know it was a flippant comment about going to jail but it implied that you sell SARMS.

[IRON CROSS]

I am self employed and I do not sell SARMs.

Do U work as 'gym chemist' 

[IronMagazine.com]

Do U work as 'gym chemist' 

You're funny.

[IronMagazine.com]

What did you mean when you started this thread? I know it was a flippant comment about going to jail but it implied that you sell SARMS.

I posted a YouTube video by Kenny KO.

[IronMagazine.com]

[pellius]

I see MK-677 referred to by two different names: Nutrabol and Ibutamoren.
What is the difference?

[ESFitness]

Do U work as 'gym chemist' 

No, that's me.

[IronMagazine.com]

I see MK-677 referred to by two different names: Nutrabol and Ibutamoren.
What is the difference?

Nutrabol is just a brand name.

Ibutamoren: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibutamoren

[tres_taco_combo]

Who cares! They are GARBAGE!

exactly - worthless imho