2020 SARMS Ban - I am going to jail

[Griffith]

exactly - worthless imho

Have you tried anything besides the fat burner Cardarine?

[tres_taco_combo]

Have you tried anything besides the fat burner Cardarine?

-I cannot recall the name, the sarm that mimics HGH.
-GW50516 was junk  (cardarine) however it is spelled

I tried to like Sarms and gave them a legit long term try. but was not impressed at all.

you are better taking 20mg of legit anavar daily than any sarm.  get your diet, cardio in check an 20 mg of anavar is better than any sarm or sarm protocol. and you take 20mg of var for a loooooong time and not have liver issues as long you are all around healthy

I am not biased, just going on personal experience.

[Griffith]

I thought their was a direct correlation between HGH and IGF. The higher the HGH the higher the IGF. I thought it was one of the ways they measured HGH output.

MK-677 is a secretagogue which means the drug sends a signal to the pituitary gland to increase the body's own production, so in that sense it works differently to injectable HGH which is synthetic and exogenous.

[Griffith]

-I cannot recall the name, the sarm that mimics HGH.
-GW50516 was junk  (cardarine) however it is spelled

I tried to like Sarms and gave them a legit long term try. but was not impressed at all.

you are better taking 20mg of legit anavar daily than any sarm.  get your diet, cardio in check an 20 mg of anavar is better than any sarm or sarm protocol. and you take 20mg of var for a loooooong time and not have liver issues as long you are all around healthy

I am not biased, just going on personal experience.

Cardarine is a fat burner, so not going to do much, if anything at all.

However, SARMs are not stronger than regular oral steroids, no one is arguing this, but the main advantage is much less side effects while still gaining a few pounds of muscle.

[pellius]

Nutrabol is just a brand name.

Ibutamoren: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibutamoren

Ah, OK. Thanks!

[pellius]

MK-677 is a secretagogue which means the drug sends a signal to the pituitary gland to increase the body's own production, so in that sense it works differently to injectable HGH which is synthetic and exogenous.

OK, but the more GH you produce the IGF you will also produce, no?

[Montague]

Yes, actually to an unhealthy degree. It only seems to happen in a bad way if I'm doing a too many roids, on say 500mg of test I'm fine. I mean I have put on 10lbs in 2 days with it (2 pills)  - all water of course, causing edema on ankles etc. I couldn't achieve that even on 200iu of insulin
I think this must be very unhealthy so I would suggest figuring out how to eliminate the edema if this happens.

Even 5mg works though it seems 20-30mg is average dose. Studies used up to 100mg. From what I remember most of the effects are reasized at about 10-20mg.

If I were in the US where I could easily get peptides, I would love to try MK with CJC-1295 (with DAC). Lots of claims of people achieving crazy IGF-1 levels, some comparing it to 8-10iu of pharma growth.

People seem sceptical over something sold so openly and cheap, they think it must be shit. Kind of like juicers laughed a Superdrol and M1T - how could they work if it was sold at bb.com. Those are some of strongest steroids ever sold. Some of the best drugs ever were sold at bb.com, think about it.

As far as the SARMs go, I don't think they have been shown to do anything steroids can't do. Conventional anabolics can rightly be called SARMs also. SELECTIVE effects is the keyword, which is why anabolics were developed in the first place. They wanted more muscle, less sides, same as with SARMs. It would be a lie to say SARMs barely have sides - you cannot divorce anabolic effects from all androgenic effects. So they aren't interesting to me - but sure if I found they had some unique properties I'd consider them.

Thank you for the info and feedback.

[Montague]

-I cannot recall the name, the sarm that mimics HGH.
-GW50516 was junk  (cardarine) however it is spelled

I tried to like Sarms and gave them a legit long term try. but was not impressed at all.

you are better taking 20mg of legit anavar daily than any sarm.  get your diet, cardio in check an 20 mg of anavar is better than any sarm or sarm protocol. and you take 20mg of var for a loooooong time and not have liver issues as long you are all around healthy

I am not biased, just going on personal experience.

I'm not questioning your account. I'm just wondering if you got bad (under-dosed or outright phony) product.

Cardarine is generally used as a fat-burner and endurance/output booster.
User feedback is almost always outstanding for both effects. Since the performance boosting effects are something felt in a short time of use, I would have expected you to at least notice that.

Not asking for names, but did you try products from more than one vendor?

[falco]

MK-677 is a secretagogue which means the drug sends a signal to the pituitary gland to increase the body's own production, so in that sense it works differently to injectable HGH which is synthetic and exogenous.

I find that to be a bad thing. Maybe your pituitary gland will burn out from overuse. Whereas if you take it exogenously your glands will "rest".
Our body is gradually wearing out, at all levels, doing that will speed the process. My 2 cents. Hope i am wrong.

[pellius]

I find that to be a bad thing. Maybe your pituitary gland will burn out from overuse. Whereas if you take it exogenously your glands will "rest".
Our body is gradually wearing out, at all levels, doing that will speed the process. My 2 cents. Hope i am wrong.

Hmm, an interesting perspective and a valid concern. I've read you should cycle it. Why? A young person produces a lot of GH for years and as they get older they produce less which is one of the causes of aging. Wouldn't it be better if they continued to produce the same GH at 20 yrs then at 50 yrs? That continual GH release than "cycling"?

[Griffith]

OK, but the more GH you produce the IGF you will also produce, no?

My understanding is that at 25 mg the increase in HGH will not be that much higher than at 10 mg but at 25 mg the IGF will be a lot higher than 10 mg. I don't know why this would happen though.

[Griffith]

I find that to be a bad thing. Maybe your pituitary gland will burn out from overuse. Whereas if you take it exogenously your glands will "rest".
Our body is gradually wearing out, at all levels, doing that will speed the process. My 2 cents. Hope i am wrong.

That is why it should be cycled.

However, a study has shown that eventually the pituitary gland stops reacting to the drug and the body goes back to its normal levels of production. It did not cause any burn out.

[tres_taco_combo]

I'm not questioning your account. I'm just wondering if you got bad (under-dosed or outright phony) product.

Cardarine is generally used as a fat-burner and endurance/output booster.
User feedback is almost always outstanding for both effects. Since the performance boosting effects are something felt in a short time of use, I would have expected you to at least notice that.

Not asking for names, but did you try products from more than one vendor?

it was a few years back. I cannot recall who I went with.

maybe I need to give them another shot. send me your info via PM

for a figure/bikini chic - what is the GW50516 dosing anything? any info how it works for fat burning for girls

[tres_taco_combo]

Cardarine is a fat burner, so not going to do much, if anything at all.

However, SARMs are not stronger than regular oral steroids, no one is arguing this, but the main advantage is much less side effects while still gaining a few pounds of muscle.

got it.  comparing apples to oranges etc etc

I firmly believe a low dose of anavar 20mg long term has little side effects (not shut down, limited liver issues) and the gains, feeling is amazing (pumps etc etc)

[falco]

Hmm, an interesting perspective and a valid concern. I've read you should cycle it. Why? A young person produces a lot of GH for years and as they get older they produce less which is one of the causes of aging. Wouldn't it be better if they continued to produce the same GH at 20 yrs then at 50 yrs? That continual GH release than "cycling"?

Latest research do not support that belief. Google David Sinclair. He is ahead of everyone regarding life extension.

[IRON CROSS]

Latest research do not support that belief. Google David Sinclair. He is ahead of everyone regarding life extension.

Yeah, Dr.Sinclair is #.1 in his field !.

[IronMagazine.com]

Who cares! They are GARBAGE!

Really, wonder why big pharma companies like Gtx are putting 100's of millions of $ into bringing them out as Rx drugs then.

[tres_taco_combo]

Really, wonder why big pharma companies like Gtx are putting 100's of millions of $ into bringing them out as Rx drugs then.

not all clinical trials and R&D fgo as planned. why Bio Pharma stock prices sky rocket up and down all the time.  even Pfizer has had plenty of failed drug roll outs etc

for the price and what is else out there - its a tough call. I would pass

instead of spending $200-$300 a month on Sarms that money is better off going to premium food (top shelf eggs, veggies, premium fish)
id rather spend $200- $300 a month personal training than sarms  

I think sarms have a wide appeal as they come in droppers etc etc too.

I am always willing to change my opinion as times goes on so we will see

[MAXX]

The main SARMS for size, the mildest at top, strongest at bottom.

Ostarine (MK-2866)
LGD-4033
Testolone (RAD-140)

HGH secretagogue:

MK-677 (Nutrobal)

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A SARM is a 'Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator' so they are developed to focus only on the intended tissues and not the whole body. Basically, they are intended as steroids without most of the negative side-effects.

all androgens are "SARMS"

every steroid out there is developed to take away specific side effects and retain the anabolic effect.

the new SARMS on the market are just newly designed steroids as far as I understand it.

[pellius]

not all clinical trials and R&D fgo as planned. why Bio Pharma stock prices sky rocket up and down all the time.  even Pfizer has had plenty of failed drug roll outs etc

for the price and what is else out there - its a tough call. I would pass

instead of spending $200-$300 a month on Sarms that money is better off going to premium food (top shelf eggs, veggies, premium fish)
id rather spend $200- $300 a month personal training than sarms  

I think sarms have a wide appeal as they come in droppers etc etc too.

I am always willing to change my opinion as times goes on so we will see

Yes, but many already buy enough food and have a personal trainer. It's not like it's one or the other. You can have enough food, training, and SARMS.

And what's the appeal with droppers? Taking a pill is much easier and convenient, especially if you have to take a product several times a day. Who wants to carry a dropper bottle then measure out the exact amount.

[Montague]

And what's the appeal with droppers? Taking a pill is much easier and convenient, especially if you have to take a product several times a day. Who wants to carry a dropper bottle then measure out the exact amount.

Capsules are combined with various "fillers" that can compromise the concentration of the active ingredient in each cap - i.e., one capsule may contain a "smidge" more of the AI, while another capsule may contain a "smidge" less... some caps may be spot on.

A quick shake of liquid inside of a glass vial eliminates those inconsistencies.

[Humble Narcissist]

Wish he would come back.....and bring Stewart Swerdlow with him.

[IronMagazine.com]

the new SARMS on the market are just newly designed steroids as far as I understand it.

SARMs are not hormones genius.

[LurkerNoMore]

Everyone that I know that used MK677 just held water.  Had a horrible moon face.

[pellius]

Everyone that I know that used MK677 just held water.  Had a horrible moon face.

Did they get their igf measured?