FISA Abuse

[Straw Man]

This also stems from the fact that unfortunately the "wise" lawmakers set an unfair and extremely high standard to prove misconduct or conspiracy of law enforcement or prosecutors. Whereas ordinary people go to prison for "omitting" information or even if they have done nothing, as we see in this case, if several law enforcement members conspire to lie "omit" information or even twist or misrepresent facts in order obtain a warrant in furtherance of their scheme, it seems to fall under what Comey cunningly described as "extremely careless" - or to put it another way - "not subject to the same laws as everyone else". Still, Durham's investigation might yield some results, if it goes deep enough and doesn't treat anyone preferentially.

just like Trumptard should be sharing a prison cell with Michael Cohen (and perhaps one day when he is no longer POTUS he will)

[SOMEPARTS]

The IG has been telling the truth when pushed and that equals a very bad day for Comey, Brennan, Clapper and everyone involved in this.

The truth happens to conflict with the one sentence summary of the report that media ran with.

[Skeletor]

just like Trumptard should be sharing a prison cell with Michael Cohen (and perhaps one day when he is no longer POTUS he will)

If he did commit crimes he should be investigated (which he already has been with the Mueller investigation and now the impeachment theater) and treated like everyone else. Naturally this should apply to everyone without any exceptions, special rights, tailor made laws or immunities.

[Skeletor]

The IG has been telling the truth when pushed and that equals a very bad day for Comey, Brennan, Clapper and everyone involved in this.

The truth happens to conflict with the one sentence summary of the report that media ran with.

Clapper especially should have been in prison for the countless times he lied under oath, as well as spying on Americans.

[Grape Ape]

If he did commit crimes he should be investigated (which he already has been with the Mueller investigation and now the impeachment theater) and treated like everyone else. Naturally this should apply to everyone without any exceptions, special rights, tailor made laws or immunities.

This is basically it.

He was investigated.  Mueller and now this bullshit.

Poor behavior, sure.  But zero direct evidence of anything that warrants removal from office.

Especially when you add in the context of the origins of FISA and the impeachment inquiry.

[Straw Man]

If he did commit crimes he should be investigated (which he already has been with the Mueller investigation and now the impeachment theater) and treated like everyone else. Naturally this should apply to everyone without any exceptions, special rights, tailor made laws or immunities.

correct

Mueller found something like ten incidents of obstruction by Trump

He also found that Trump invited/welcomed and accepted assistance by the Russians

We also know he told the Russians that he wasn’t concerned about Moscow’s interference in U.S. elections and even worse, In May 2017, Trump disclosed classified information in an Oval Office meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. That information, given to the US by Israel, concerned information about an ISIS plot to bomb airplanes using laptops. At the time, there was genuine concern that Israel’s covert source might’ve been burned by Trump’s revelation.

This concerned US Intelligence officials so much that they had to extract a long time covert asset inside Russia for fear the Dotard in Chief would reveal his identity
https://www.vox.com/2019/9/9/20856915/cnn-trump-russia-spy-putin-cia

Trump is a traitor and Republicans are his enablers

[SOMEPARTS]

VOX....haha. Worrisome levels of TDS. You can't obstruct when there is no crime.

[Grape Ape]

VOX....haha. Worrisome levels of TDS. You can't obstruct when there is no crime.

Democrats: "wait for Mueller"

Mueller: "no collusion"

Democrats subpeona Mueller and look like morons.


Democrats: "Impeach"

Hold hearing that shows no direct evidence of anything.

Democrats: "IMPEACH"

[Dos Equis]

People should just watch the actual questioning......I know the dipshits here will discredit this exchange because it's Graham asking the questions, but this is a very reasonable back and forth, and provides some clarity.

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It's pretty amazing that so much of what anti Trump folks are doing is blatantly wrong, but the left will turn their cheek to all of it.

Good clip.  Took me a while to get through it with all the interruptions but he does a great job of getting to heart of a lot of the misconduct that went on here.

[Dos Equis]

Ted Cruz: “A lawyer at the FBI creates fraudulent evidence, alters an email that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement for the court that the court relies on. Am I stating that accurately?"

Horowitz: "That is correct. That's what occurred"

How is that person not already in prison?? 

[Board_SHERIF]

Ted Cruz: “A lawyer at the FBI creates fraudulent evidence, alters an email that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement for the court that the court relies on. Am I stating that accurately?"

Horowitz: "That is correct. That's what occurred"

also add - Carter Page was working with the CIA, the Gay Muslim's Lawyer changed it to read "Carter Page was NOT working with the CIA"

Gay Muslim Layer now to be charged.

[SOMEPARTS]

also add - Carter Page was working with the CIA, the Gay Muslim's Lawyer changed it to read "Carter Page was NOT working with the CIA"

Gay Muslim Layer now to be charged.

This is a pivotal point in the whole thing. This guy should go to jail. Period, end of story.

[Dos Equis]

 

Sen. Ted Cruz: “A lawyer at the FBI creates fraudulent evidence, alters an email that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement to the court that the court relies on. Am I stating that accurately?"

Inspector General Horowitz: “That is correct. That is what occurred.”

[Thin Lizzy]

In a nutshell, they started the investigation on very shaky ground, continually were presented with evidence showing that there was no case, but continued on anyway.

It’s good example of the cover up being worse than the crime. They never thought Trump would win and when he did they had to start covering their asses.

[Dos Equis]

In a nutshell, they started the investigation on very shaky ground, continually were presented with evidence showing that there was no case, but continued on anyway.

It’s good example of the cover up being worse than the crime. They never thought Trump would win and when he did they had to start covering their asses.

I agree.  I also think they were convinced that if they kept digging they were bound to find something.  But they got his communications with his lawyers from the campaign and from Cohen.  Spied on Page and two hops removed from Page (i.e., spied on people Page communicated with and people those folks communicated with).  Used spies in his campaign and tried to entrap them.  And they came up empty. 

[SOMEPARTS]

The evidence is clear that Trump tried to use withholding military aid and WH visit to get the Ukraine pres to announce a Biden investigation.

Cool story bro. Multiple people on the call and nobody said under oath that is what happened. Wonder why?

[Thin Lizzy]

The evidence is clear that Trump tried to use withholding military aid and WH visit to get the Ukraine pres to announce a Biden investigation. THEN, he obfuscated and blocked any attempt to investigate him on it.

In fact, Trump's lawyer claimed ( in writing ) that you couldn't investigate a sitting President. WTF?

Trump isn't a king and the founders were very clear about having provisions to prevent a king from being President.

This is the liberal MSM narrative but has no relation to what actually happened and has nothing to the intelligence organizations actions which is what the post addressed.

The whole Ukraine premise is ridiculous. Everyone already knew Bidens kid got the no show job. What was an investigation by Ukrainians gonna do to Bidens prospects. Were they going to extradite him?

[Thin Lizzy]

I guess the 12 fact witnesses testifying under oath on TV in front of congress don't count?

There were zero fact witnesses. They all went on heresay except for Sundland who said Trump wanted nothing.


This is why the impeachment process has been a bust for the Dems. Your shit is weak.

[SOMEPARTS]

I guess the 12 fact witnesses testifying under oath on TV in front of congress don't count?

Wowzers!

[Grape Ape]

There were zero fact witnesses. They all went on heresay except for Sundland who said Trump wanted nothing.


This is why the impeachment process has been a bust for the Dems. Your shit is weak.

How is this not crystal clear?  There are so many videos of the witnesses all admitting they had no direct evidence.

Gaetz is destroying them today.

[Grape Ape]

Even amb Sundland said it was a quid pro quo.
The testimony from Dr Hill, Lt Col Vidman , amb Yavonovich and amb Taylor was a lot more damaging for Trump.

Quid pro quo is not one of the charges.

Quid pro quo is how all business is done.

But they changed the charges to be vague - abuse of power / obstruction for the very reason their inquiry didn't prove shit.

But, Ukraine said they were not pressured, and now they are saying Ukraine didn't even know.

It still boils down to whether Trump was investigating corruption, or a political rival to influence the election.

And that wasn't even close to being proven.

[jude2]

I guess the 12 fact witnesses testifying under oath on TV in front of congress don't count?

This is what is wrong with our education system.  You must teach in public schools.

[SOMEPARTS]

Even amb Sundland said it was a quid pro quo.
The testimony from Dr Hill, Lt Col Vidman , amb Yavonovich and amb Taylor was a lot more damaging for Trump.

You trollin'.

[SOMEPARTS]

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"Adam Schiff says FBI committed 'serious abuses' of FISA, but won't admit his own wrongdoing"


Look at this turd squirm and deflect.

[chaos]

This is what is wrong with our education system.  You must teach in public schools.

Another reason for home schooling.