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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #400 on: February 05, 2020, 03:26:24 AM »
^^^^

Dark skinned? Dark complexion? Is it too hard for you to say black? Those without dark color pigments?

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #401 on: February 05, 2020, 10:01:54 AM »

What i'm saying is, don't blame the people around you for the troubles you are experiencing. As strange as that may seem. Create your own, take action, become a victor. There should always be one or more alternative plan in mind...      
 

I sort of get what you are saying. I only mentioned it because pellius assumed I don't have experience of blacks or black neighborhoods. I don't cry about it endlessly and I don't recall really getting involved in the racialist discussions here before.

Related to this, it's often been said over here that predjudices are rife among people who have little experience of minorities or people from different cultures, that "racism" comes from ignorance. My experience is different. Resentment grows the more exposure to different groups you get. There are also plenty of social studies showing increased diversity causes decreased social trust, causing low-trust societies. I hear it everyday, Swedes say they don't feel at home or safe anymore in their own country. Just today a couple of co-workers told me they see their future as moving to Poland or Hungary because Sweden is irreparably destroyed, taunting me saying "but Van B won't move away from his wonderful Somali neighbors" :D

Then you have characters like Spectre saying Europe MUST become multicultural and how she knows Jews will be hated for their CENTRAL role in this necessary transformation. But at the same time they will claim anti-semitism has no rational cause  ??? :D
Everything has a cause and all this is very predictable.

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #402 on: February 05, 2020, 10:51:30 AM »


Related to this, it's often been said over here that predjudices are rife among people who have little experience of minorities or people from different cultures, that "racism" comes from ignorance. My experience is different. Resentment grows the more exposure to different groups you get. There are also plenty of social studies showing increased diversity causes decreased social trust, causing low-trust societies. I hear it everyday, Swedes say they don't feel at home or safe anymore in their own country. Just today a couple of co-workers told me they see their future as moving to Poland or Hungary because Sweden is irreparably destroyed, taunting me saying "but Van B won't move away from his wonderful Somali neighbors" :D

Then you have characters like Spectre saying Europe MUST become multicultural and how she knows Jews will be hated for their CENTRAL role in this necessary transformation. But at the same time they will claim anti-semitism has no rational cause  ??? :D
Everything has a cause and all this is very predictable.


The media also pounded overpopulation, abortion, birth control, homosexuality, divorce, climate change(have less kids), global warming(have less kids), pollution(less humans reduces it), women must work(delaying childbirth), not to mention racial guilt and diversity.

It would not be hard to find women on campuses(marxist teachers and media influence as well) now that say babies are parasites. They're taught to think of babies that way because babies rely on their mother's body. It would not be hard to find white people today that say white people are bad.

And when your population plummets, does your government encourage Swedish childbirth? Do they pay Swedes to have children? No, they bring in the third word and pay them instead. Do not Swedish men produce sperm and Swedish women eggs?

What about carbon foot prints? Won't turning low carbon footprint peoples from the third world into high carbon footprint people be bad for the environment? No, import the third world.

Europe has been played and now many Swedes and others hate the third world people(they do have a reason and right to) instead of the people facilitating the Swede's replacement as well, whoever they may be. If you complain or fight back, SJWs will call you names like anti-this people or racist and those words will make Swedes and other people stand back and watch the genocide of their own people. Words. Who is calling you those words?

This is like when Disney fired American workers, brought in foreign workers to replace them, and demanded that the American workers train their replacements.

These conflicting Guardian article headlines say a lot. And they are but the tip of the iceberg.




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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #403 on: February 05, 2020, 10:53:40 AM »
^^^^

Dark skinned? Dark complexion? Is it too hard for you to say black? Those without dark color pigments?

nah i don't generalize

i try to use my words correctly

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #404 on: February 05, 2020, 11:05:49 AM »
Resentment grows the more exposure to different groups you get. There are also plenty of social studies showing increased diversity causes decreased social trust, causing low-trust societies.


I'm all for resentment against specific persons or specific groups of persons if the exposure proves negative and well-founded. But I can't mirror that resentment upon other individuals who happen to have similar physical traits. I admit that upon meeting or observing certain people I sometimes have to keep some of my initial thoughts in check, but that goes for anyone and isn't specifically related to origins.

 

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #405 on: February 05, 2020, 11:22:59 AM »
I'm all for resentment against specific persons or specific groups of persons if the exposure proves negative and well-founded. But I can't mirror that resentment upon other individuals who happen to have similar physical traits. I admit that upon meeting or observing certain people I sometimes have to keep some of my initial thoughts in check, but that goes for anyone and isn't specifically related to origins.

 

Are you naive, stupid or a professor?

Since the 60ies there's a chance for the lowest commoners of Islamic countries(non european) to come to the West(for various contrived reasons) and you go on about how one has to be careful not to hurt the harmless foreigner.
I hope you are aware of how many of these angels have already settled and multiplied since then.

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #406 on: February 05, 2020, 04:01:51 PM »
it is not what i believe it is what is in the hebrew scriptures torah, talmud,etc



Not what the majority believes. Please post the quotes from the Bible that you think means that.

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #407 on: February 05, 2020, 04:07:28 PM »
Not what the majority believes. Please post the quotes from the Bible that you think means that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism%27s_view_of_Jesus

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #408 on: February 05, 2020, 04:14:48 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism%27s_view_of_Jesus

To claimed evidence in the Torah and the Talmud. Now cite evidence in the Torah and the Talmud.

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #409 on: February 05, 2020, 04:16:03 PM »
To claimed evidence in the Torah and the Talmud. Now cite evidence in the Torah and the Talmud.
you didnt click that link either

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #410 on: February 05, 2020, 04:26:14 PM »
you didnt click that link either

Actually, in this case I did. Anybody can submit to Wiki posting their views. The majority of Jews don't necessarily have a negative view of Christ as this submission claims. Certainly, not any Jews that I know and have interacted with. They just don't view him as the Messiah.

But it doesn't matter what anybody's opinion is, Christianity is a monotheistic religion with its roots in Judaism.

Look, I can post links, too! But I don't really need to. I let my arguments stand on it's own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #411 on: February 05, 2020, 05:10:48 PM »
Actually, in this case I did. Anybody can submit to Wiki posting their views. The majority of Jews don't necessarily have a negative view of Christ as this submission claims. Certainly, not any Jews that I know and have interacted with. They just don't view him as the Messiah.

But it doesn't matter what anybody's opinion is, Christianity is a monotheistic religion with its roots in Judaism.

Look, I can post links, too! But I don't really need to. I let my arguments stand on it's own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism
what value does your anecdotes have when it involves dishonest people while i provided the opinions and arguments of learned orthodox jews and rabbis, i suppose when rabbi tovia singer is discussing the christian trinity he is just kvetching because he had a bad day

i guess these are leftist entries on wikipedia, right?

 'By contrast, Judaism sees God as a single entity, and views trinitarianism as both incomprehensible and a violation of the Bible's teaching that God is one. It rejects the notion that Jesus or any other object or living being could be 'God', that God could have a literal 'son' in physical form or is divisible in any way, or that God could be made to be joined to the material world in such fashion.'

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Main article: Shituf

A minority Jewish view, which appears in some[which?] codes of Jewish law, is that while Christian worship is polytheistic (due to the multiplicity of the Trinity), it is permissible for them to swear in God's name, since they are referring to the one God. This theology is referred to in Hebrew as Shituf (literally "partnership" or "association"). Although worship of a trinity is considered to be not different from any other form of idolatry for Jews, it may be an acceptable belief for non-Jews (according to the ruling of some Rabbinic authorities[who?]). '

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #412 on: February 05, 2020, 08:12:48 PM »
what value does your anecdotes have when it involves dishonest people while i provided the opinions and arguments of learned orthodox jews and rabbis, i suppose when rabbi tovia singer is discussing the christian trinity he is just kvetching because he had a bad day

i guess these are leftist entries on wikipedia, right?

 'By contrast, Judaism sees God as a single entity, and views trinitarianism as both incomprehensible and a violation of the Bible's teaching that God is one. It rejects the notion that Jesus or any other object or living being could be 'God', that God could have a literal 'son' in physical form or is divisible in any way, or that God could be made to be joined to the material world in such fashion.'

'Shituf
Main article: Shituf

A minority Jewish view, which appears in some[which?] codes of Jewish law, is that while Christian worship is polytheistic (due to the multiplicity of the Trinity), it is permissible for them to swear in God's name, since they are referring to the one God. This theology is referred to in Hebrew as Shituf (literally "partnership" or "association"). Although worship of a trinity is considered to be not different from any other form of idolatry for Jews, it may be an acceptable belief for non-Jews (according to the ruling of some Rabbinic authorities[who?]). '

What value do your quotes have when it is made by dishonest people?

You can believe what you want.  You can believe what other people say. It doesn't matter to me and has no effect on my beliefs.

I can quote, too.

The concept of ethical monotheism, which holds that morality stems from God alone and that its laws are unchanging, first occurred in Judaism, but is now a core tenet of most modern monotheistic religions, including Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, and Baháʼí Faith

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #413 on: February 05, 2020, 08:23:10 PM »
I'm all for resentment against specific persons or specific groups of persons if the exposure proves negative and well-founded. But I can't mirror that resentment upon other individuals who happen to have similar physical traits. I admit that upon meeting or observing certain people I sometimes have to keep some of my initial thoughts in check, but that goes for anyone and isn't specifically related to origins.

 

I treat any individual from any group with respect as far as possible and I try to see the good in people and so on. At the same time I reject the view that, for example, there is no such thing as human races or that there are no group differences between these races especially when it comes to cognitive traits. The current "correct" view is that there are physical differences between population groups but when it comes to cognitive traits we are all exactly the same - I have a hard time believing anyone really believes this, it's more that many feel that admitting that these differences exist will lead to oppression, new holocausts and so on. Geneticists have recently debated how new emerging data on genetics should be framed for the public so as not to lead to racism, because the data will, as everyone already knew deep down, show that there are group differences that are genetic. Do you disagree?

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-018-0152-x

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #414 on: February 05, 2020, 08:45:41 PM »
I have never read the Talmud but I have repeatedly over the years come across the claim that there is a passage there saying that Jesus is boiling for all eternity in a vat of shit. Does anyone here know for sure if it's true or not? This is really over the top if true, kind of hard to frame in positive terms  :D

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #415 on: February 05, 2020, 08:56:49 PM »
I treat any individual from any group with respect as far as possible and I try to see the good in people and so on. At the same time I reject the view that, for example, there is no such thing as human races or that there are no group differences between these races especially when it comes to cognitive traits. The current "correct" view is that there are physical differences between population groups but when it comes to cognitive traits we are all exactly the same - I have a hard time believing anyone really believes this, it's more that many feel that admitting that these differences exist will lead to oppression, new holocausts and so on. Geneticists have recently debated how new emerging data on genetics should be framed for the public so as not to lead to racism, because the data will, as everyone already knew deep down, show that there are group differences that are genetic. Do you disagree?

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-018-0152-x

Bang on.

Also, I have no problem with the irrefutable genetic information soon to emerge that shows that Africans have significantly lower IQs than Europeans, because no one has had any problem blaming the shortcomings of Africans on Whites/Europeans for literally the past 55 years or more.

Once the irrefutable genetic evidence proves that Africans have never had IQ genetics as high as White people, it will exonerate White people for being blamed for all of the academic and other shortcomings of Africans.

The reality of the matter is that disparities between Blacks and Whites are driven by genetics, not "White racism" in a society that will literally destroy the life of any White person who literally exhibits even the tiniest bit of "racism" anywhere.  In fact, the insinuation that White racism holds Blacks down, in light of the fact that we live in a society COMPLETELY OBSESSED with looking for non-examples this so-called "racism" under every rock, and vilifying White people at every turn, even for things they had NOTHING to do with [like the murder of Indigenous women in Canada, who are murdered overwhelmingly by their Indigenous male partners] is completely absurd.

I can't wait for the genetic evidence to come to light - and it absolutely will come to light in my lifetime.

I'm glad I always openly refuted the bullshit that all races are cognitively equal.  I'm so glad we are reaching the point where that fact is becoming irrefutable.

Because, surprise surprise, it turns out that the "racists" were right all along.

Different races are NOT equal in average cognitive ability, and everyone who doesn't accept that needs to get over it and face reality.

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #416 on: February 06, 2020, 03:19:09 AM »
Van B makes an excellent point. Everyone agrees and accepts that there are inherent differences in races in all aspects except one -- intelligence. 

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #417 on: February 06, 2020, 03:35:01 AM »
Van B makes an excellent point. Everyone agrees and accepts that there are inherent differences in races in all aspects except one -- intelligence. 

It’s only the Idiotic Thinking PC Liberal Leftists that don’t want to accept the Very Obvious
Fact that there are vast differences between IQ & Different Races.
Everyone else Knows & Accepts it.

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #418 on: February 06, 2020, 05:28:35 AM »
Van B makes an excellent point. Everyone agrees and accepts that there are inherent differences in races in all aspects except one -- intelligence. 

And I don't think it's just intelligence per se either, but temperament and things like "future time orientation", rate of psychopathy and things of that nature which affect how a society develops. Two populations, genetic clusters, races, whatever you want to call it could have similar IQs but still have differences in behavior. To me it sounds reasonable that genetics drive all these things, but most intellectuals and leftists say all differences come down to nurture, not nature. Except if you're a homo, you're born that way  :D

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #419 on: February 06, 2020, 06:48:38 AM »
I have never read the Talmud but I have repeatedly over the years come across the claim that there is a passage there saying that Jesus is boiling for all eternity in a vat of shit. Does anyone here know for sure if it's true or not? This is really over the top if true, kind of hard to frame in positive terms  :D
the talmud does not say anything negative about jesus or the goyim because pellius has only met nice jews

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #420 on: February 06, 2020, 08:37:24 AM »
the talmud does not say anything negative about jesus or the goyim because pellius has only met nice jews

I never cared enough to find out if that claim was true but I did a quick google and it appears to be a real passage. Babylonian Talmud, Gittin 56b-57a. But then I saw people say how the texts contain a lot of "opinions" and contradictory statements so what it "really means" I don't know and don't care too much. Lots of other fucked up stuff in there too, like how sexually assaulting children under the age of 3 is ok and stuff like that.

One thing I think is somewhat strange is the current practise of sucking the cock of infants after circumcision and the cases of infants contracting herpes from it (true story, google if you don't believe me). You'd think with how the sanctity of children is paramount these days that they would have outlawed it. Then again I think circumcision itself is retarded in this day and age, no matter the religion.  :D

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #421 on: February 06, 2020, 09:29:23 AM »
I never cared enough to find out if that claim was true but I did a quick google and it appears to be a real passage. Babylonian Talmud, Gittin 56b-57a. But then I saw people say how the texts contain a lot of "opinions" and contradictory statements so what it "really means" I don't know and don't care too much. Lots of other fucked up stuff in there too, like how sexually assaulting children under the age of 3 is ok and stuff like that.

One thing I think is somewhat strange is the current practise of sucking the cock of infants after circumcision and the cases of infants contracting herpes from it (true story, google if you don't believe me). You'd think with how the sanctity of children is paramount these days that they would have outlawed it. Then again I think circumcision itself is retarded in this day and age, no matter the religion.  :D


"opinions" and contradictory statements so what it "really means" I don't know and don't care too much. Lots of other fucked up stuff in there too, like how sexually assaulting children under the age of 3 is ok and stuff like that.

One thing I think is somewhat strange is the current practise of sucking the cock of infants after circumcision and the cases of infants contracting herpes from it (true story, google if you don't believe me). You'd think with how the sanctity of children is paramount these days that they would have outlawed it. Then again I think circumcision itself is retarded in this day and age, no matter the religion.”



Just WTF - !!!  Damn it sounds as Fcuked up as The Islamics.
Jeez if it True Ban & Burn That Crap.

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #422 on: February 06, 2020, 09:53:18 AM »
Not really concerned about disputing the events of the Holocaust (some of the details are questionable though), but it's mostly just treated as a business now. Many have made huge amounts of money exploiting its memory and it also serves as a political tool for different factions.
It will be interesting to see data comparing the amount of coverage and attention given to the Holocaust against other genocides and atrocities that have taken place.

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #423 on: February 06, 2020, 10:29:20 AM »
cognitive traits. The current "correct" view is that there are physical differences between population groups but when it comes to cognitive traits we are all exactly the same - I have a hard time believing anyone really believes this, it's more that many feel that admitting that these differences exist will lead to oppression, new holocausts and so on. Geneticists have recently debated how new emerging data on genetics should be framed for the public so as not to lead to racism, because the data will, as everyone already knew deep down, show that there are group differences that are genetic. Do you disagree?

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-018-0152-x

I agree with this excerpt from your article:

Indeed, there is already substantial evidence that individuals differ from one another with respect to IQ at least partly for genetic reasons (Plomin and Deary, 2015; Sniekers et al., 2017; Hill et al., 2018). But of course, this does not justify oppression or exploitation of those who have lower IQs. Likewise, there is already substantial evidence that human populations differ from one another with respect to traits like height, weight, bone density, muscle fibre distribution, lactose tolerance, thermogenic capacity and resistance to disease at least partly for genetic reasons (Epstein, 2014; Winegard et al., 2017). Yet, once again, this does not justify oppression or exploitation of populations who have lower means on these traits. Note that it is not being asserted that a genetic contribution to racial gaps in IQ has been conclusively demonstrated, but rather that such a finding would not have a qualitatively different epistemological status from the recent finding that, say, genes associated with increased heightFootnote6 are elevated in Northern Europeans relative to Southern Europeans (Turchin et al., 2012; Robinson et al., 2015).
To summarise, particular scientific findings (e.g., that variation in IQ is partly genetic) are logically independent of particular normative conclusions.


I agree that everyone has a different genetic makeup that will partly contribute to whatever it is that individual will become and or produce.

That's like saying everyone has a their own chassis on which they can build a car, however efficient or inefficient that car ends up being.

What I disagree with is generalization. But I understand that some people are subject to tunnel vision when it comes to generalization, based on their own experiences/interpretations and subsequent world views. To me, an adequately evolved mind rises above such notions, simply because there is also a broader view available. A larger truth that supercedes one's own.  

Are women inferior to men because of their genetic differences? Are they genetically less gifted (to begin with) in the IQ department?
Does temperature in different countries dictate different means of evolution?

I also believe anyone who has the need to make or assert claims about their own genetic superiority, isn't superior at all. If you need to put people down, there's something wrong with you (too).

In the end what I'm saying is there's a general lack of genuine reflection or research in most people, regardless of race/color/whatever. And that's my generalization.  ;)  

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Re: Palumbo calls Dorian Yates a holocaust denier and a nazi
« Reply #424 on: February 06, 2020, 09:33:26 PM »


What I disagree with is generalization. But I understand that some people are subject to tunnel vision when it comes to generalization, based on their own experiences/interpretations and subsequent world views. To me, an adequately evolved mind rises above such notions, simply because there is also a broader view available. A larger truth that supercedes one's own.  

I also believe anyone who has the need to make or assert claims about their own genetic superiority, isn't superior at all. If you need to put people down, there's something wrong with you (too).

In the end what I'm saying is there's a general lack of genuine reflection or research in most people, regardless of race/color/whatever. And that's my generalization.  ;)  

Generalizations is how humans navigate this world. We are always making assumptions and generalizations in whatever situation we are in. It has also been noted, as I mentioned earlier, by those in the field of sociology that predjudices are generally true and based on fact. Individuals of a certain group may not conform to whatever stereotype we have of their group but we often don't have the time to make those judgements, the  immediate concern is in avoiding a negative outcome, so we generalize. It's like those hapless young women who ended up beheaded in Morocco or those women who go hitchhiking by themselves in the middle east and end up dead. They believed in the goodness of people in general and disregarded the dangers some, perhaps over-cautious, people would have thought of.

Here is an example of what was thought of by most as a horribly racist and harmful generalization of blacks. A few thought it was reasonable:

https://www.takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire/

When it comes to putting others down, those who believe in IQ and that IQ differs in different human genetic clusters do not only mention the IQ gap between say African-Americans and those of European stock in America, but elevate East Asians and the Ashkenazi saying they are above Euros. But all focus has been on their purported putting down of blacks. Critics say that no good comes from talking about the 15 point difference between whites and blacks, and besides, it can only because of social factors. And furthermore, IQ itself is bullshit. But let's say IQ is real and it has social implications. Let's say IQ is inborn and doesn't respond to social programs as some claim (indeed, Charles Murray, writer of the maligned The Bell Curve has been correct so far, the gap hasn't been reduced by social efforts). It will inform us on how to best approach whatever "problems" result.

These are just my current
thoughts, I'm not an expert and I don't have a high IQ so I could be wrong  :D