RIP Kobe Bryant

[che]

They are born

I have to disagree with my good friend Pellius

[Darren Avey]

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[pellius]

I have to disagree with my good friend Pellius

How do you explain that Kobe, Lebron, and Tiger Woods were already at pro level, the elite of the elite, as teenagers? Phil started bbing at 22 years old. Six years later he's on the Olympia stage. The vast majority don't even make it that far no matter what they do. Three years later he's Mr. Olympia. Most elite bber spend their prime years chasing that title during their prime years and fail.

You were a high-level boxer. Why didn't you become the champ? If it's because you lost interest do you think you could have been champ if you wanted to? I believe you were in the same weight class and era of Oscar De La Hoya

[joswift]

How do you explain that Kobe, Lebron, and Tiger Woods were already at pro level, the elite of the elite, as teenagers? Phil started bbing at 22 years old. Six years later he's on the Olympia stage. The vast majority don't even make it that far no matter what they do. Three years later he's Mr. Olympia. Most elite bber spend their prime years chasing that title during their prime years and fail.

You were a high-level boxer. Why didn't you become the champ? If it's because you lost interest do you think you could have been champ if you wanted to? I believe you were in the same weight class and era of Oscar De La Hoya

Haney was only training about 6 years when he won his first Olympia, Shawn Ray was on the Olympia stage at 22, a lot of the genetic elite go from stepping into a gym to pro bodybuilder in around 5 or 6 years

[che]

How do you explain that Kobe, Lebron, and Tiger Woods were already at pro level, the elite of the elite, as teenagers? Phil started bbing at 22 years old. Six years later he's on the Olympia stage. The vast majority don't even make it that far no matter what they do. Three years later he's Mr. Olympia. Most elite bber spend their prime years chasing that title during their prime years and fail.

You were a high-level boxer. Why didn't you become the champ? If it's because you lost interest do you think you could have been champ if you wanted to? I believe you were in the same weight class and era of Oscar De La Hoya

Nobody is born a champion,you can be gifted but if you don't put the work you'll never be a champion , I don't know how gifted Kobe was as a kid but what I know is that he started playing when he was 3 years old ,his dad was a NBA player , his grandpa  used to send him basketball videos  to Italy when he was a kid , he was obsessed with basketball , it is easy to say they were just born like that  ,   many people see the final product but they  don't  have any  idea how much these athletes sacrifice  to get there





Bryant's work ethic is legendary (and that's an understatement).

Bryant would show up for 7 a.m. practices at 5 a.m. After high school practices, he'd make teammates stay to play games of one-on-one to 100.

Lakers head coach Byron Scott would find a sweaty 18-year-old rookie Bryant in a darkened gym, two hours before practice, doing individual shooting and dribbling drills.

He routinely outworked the NBA's best players. During the run-up to the 2008 Olympics, he did full predawn workouts before official practices started.

Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade recounted such an episode to ESPN's Michael Wallace. "We're in Las Vegas and we all come down for team breakfast at the start of the whole training camp," Bosh said. "And Kobe comes in with ice on his knees. He's got sweat drenched through his workout gear. And I'm like, 'It's 8 o'clock in the morning. Where is he coming from?'"

Wade added, "Everybody else just woke up. We're all yawning, and he's already three hours and a full workout into his day."

It wasn't just on the court. Bryant claims to have taught himself to play Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata on the piano throughout the course of a season.

As a business pro, yes, outworking your peers can be a strategy.[/size]

[Army of One]

Nobody is born a champion,you can be gifted but if you don't put the work you'll never be a champion , I don't know how gifted Kobe was as a kid but what I know is that he started playing when he was 3 years old ,his dad was a NBA player , his grandpa  used to send him basketball videos  to Italy when he was a kid , he was obsessed with basketball , it is easy to say they were just born like that  ,   many people see the final product but they  don't  have any  idea how much these athletes sacrifice  to get there





Bryant's work ethic is legendary (and that's an understatement).

Bryant would show up for 7 a.m. practices at 5 a.m. After high school practices, he'd make teammates stay to play games of one-on-one to 100.

Lakers head coach Byron Scott would find a sweaty 18-year-old rookie Bryant in a darkened gym, two hours before practice, doing individual shooting and dribbling drills.

He routinely outworked the NBA's best players. During the run-up to the 2008 Olympics, he did full predawn workouts before official practices started.

Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade recounted such an episode to ESPN's Michael Wallace. "We're in Las Vegas and we all come down for team breakfast at the start of the whole training camp," Bosh said. "And Kobe comes in with ice on his knees. He's got sweat drenched through his workout gear. And I'm like, 'It's 8 o'clock in the morning. Where is he coming from?'"

Wade added, "Everybody else just woke up. We're all yawning, and he's already three hours and a full workout into his day."

It wasn't just on the court. Bryant claims to have taught himself to play Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata on the piano throughout the course of a season.

As a business pro, yes, outworking your peers can be a strategy.[/size]

Mental strength, work ethic and iq are just as big gifts.Everything comes down to genetics.

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Video of the crash

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[joswift]

Link is gone

it was fake anyway

[che]

You were a high-level boxer. Why didn't you become the champ? If it's because you lost interest do you think you could have been champ if you wanted to? I believe you were in the same weight class and era of Oscar De La Hoya

I suffered a traumatic brain injury  as a result of a motorcycle accident ,that was the end of my boxing career .

[pellius]

Nobody is born a champion,you can be gifted but if you don't put the work you'll never be a champion , I don't know how gifted Kobe was as a kid but what I know is that he started playing when he was 3 years old ,his dad was a NBA player , his grandpa  used to send him basketball videos  to Italy when he was a kid , he was obsessed with basketball , it is easy to say they were just born like that  ,   many people see the final product but they  don't  have any  idea how much these athletes sacrifice  to get there





Bryant's work ethic is legendary (and that's an understatement).

Bryant would show up for 7 a.m. practices at 5 a.m. After high school practices, he'd make teammates stay to play games of one-on-one to 100.

Lakers head coach Byron Scott would find a sweaty 18-year-old rookie Bryant in a darkened gym, two hours before practice, doing individual shooting and dribbling drills.

He routinely outworked the NBA's best players. During the run-up to the 2008 Olympics, he did full predawn workouts before official practices started.

Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade recounted such an episode to ESPN's Michael Wallace. "We're in Las Vegas and we all come down for team breakfast at the start of the whole training camp," Bosh said. "And Kobe comes in with ice on his knees. He's got sweat drenched through his workout gear. And I'm like, 'It's 8 o'clock in the morning. Where is he coming from?'"

Wade added, "Everybody else just woke up. We're all yawning, and he's already three hours and a full workout into his day."

It wasn't just on the court. Bryant claims to have taught himself to play Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata on the piano throughout the course of a season.

As a business pro, yes, outworking your peers can be a strategy.[/size]

Remember, I said, "They are the truly gifted ones with the discipline to nurture it."
Kobe worked hard but I'm sure he wasn't the only one. A lot of bbers work hard and juice themselves to death but will never be a Coleman or Heath. Why?

I've seen five Gracie brothers train at various times. They all have the same genetics, same environment, same training. They all worked hard because their father expected and demanded it. The just grew up training and hard training was all they knew and it was normal for them. But of all of them the third eldest, Rickson, was head and tails above the rest. Why? You can't get any more of a "controlled environment" as that. Same nutrition, household, training, motivation... yet only one stood out above the rest.

Again I'll ask you, why didn't you become a world champion? You just were not willing to work hard enough and if that was the case do you think you would have been champion if you did taking into account that there were thousands just like you working just as hard?

[SF1900]

Nobody is born a champion,you can be gifted but if you don't put the work you'll never be a champion , I don't know how gifted Kobe was as a kid but what I know is that he started playing when he was 3 years old ,his dad was a NBA player , his grandpa  used to send him basketball videos  to Italy when he was a kid , he was obsessed with basketball , it is easy to say they were just born like that  ,   many people see the final product but they  don't  have any  idea how much these athletes sacrifice  to get there





Bryant's work ethic is legendary (and that's an understatement).

Bryant would show up for 7 a.m. practices at 5 a.m. After high school practices, he'd make teammates stay to play games of one-on-one to 100.

Lakers head coach Byron Scott would find a sweaty 18-year-old rookie Bryant in a darkened gym, two hours before practice, doing individual shooting and dribbling drills.

He routinely outworked the NBA's best players. During the run-up to the 2008 Olympics, he did full predawn workouts before official practices started.

Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade recounted such an episode to ESPN's Michael Wallace. "We're in Las Vegas and we all come down for team breakfast at the start of the whole training camp," Bosh said. "And Kobe comes in with ice on his knees. He's got sweat drenched through his workout gear. And I'm like, 'It's 8 o'clock in the morning. Where is he coming from?'"

Wade added, "Everybody else just woke up. We're all yawning, and he's already three hours and a full workout into his day."

It wasn't just on the court. Bryant claims to have taught himself to play Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata on the piano throughout the course of a season.

As a business pro, yes, outworking your peers can be a strategy.[/size]

Was Mr. Goodrums success due to genetics or environment?

[che]

Was Mr. Goodrums success due to genetics or environment?

Both,  exceptionally and profoundly gifted human being .

[pellius]

Haney was only training about 6 years when he won his first Olympia, Shawn Ray was on the Olympia stage at 22, a lot of the genetic elite go from stepping into a gym to pro bodybuilder in around 5 or 6 years

I didn't know that about Haney. I grew up in the same area so I was hearing about Shawn Ray when he was still a teenager.

With bbing it's easy to see how much genetics play a part in being a champion because it's right before your eyes. You see everybody doing pretty much the same thing but one guy just transforms himself in a matter of months. I remember this one black kid who just seem to get bigger and bigger every week. Six months time he was more developed than most of the guys that were training and juicing for decades. When he started juicing he was on a whole different level. You're talking about a span of like three years. And though he was gifted and got to the Olympia stage, it still wasn't enough when he had to compete with other even more gifted athletes. He trained hard, and trained even harder when more was on the line, but he could never match Dillet who sleepwalked through his workouts holding a towel in his mouth. His name was J.J. Marsh.

[joswift]

I didn't know that about Haney. I grew up in the same area so I was hearing about Shawn Ray when he was still a teenager.

With bbing it's easy to see how much genetics play a part in being a champion because it's right before your eyes. You see everybody doing pretty much the same thing but one guy just transforms himself in a matter of months. I remember this one black kid who just seem to get bigger and bigger every week. Six months time he was more developed than most of the guys that were training and juicing for decades. When he started juicing he was on a whole different level. You're talking about a span of like three years. And though he was gifted and got to the Olympia stage, it still wasn't enough when he had to compete with other even more gifted athletes. He trained hard, and trained even harder when more was on the line, but he could never match Dillet who sleepwalked through his workouts holding a towel in his mouth. His name was J.J. Marsh.

Great physique

[pellius]

I suffered a traumatic brain injury  as a result of a motorcycle accident ,that was the end of my boxing career .

Sorry to hear that. But do you think you would have been a world champion if you didn't suffer this brain injury?

[tommywishbone]

I'd bet we were there at the same times, seeing the same things, looking out over the floor from the high perch of the stationary bikes 

  Yes indeed. The stationary bikes high above the action in the front room. My favorite seat many mornings for fasted cardio. Hmm?  Let me think...

[che]

Sorry to hear that. But do you think you would have been a world champion if you didn't suffer this brain injury?

That was my dream ,that's what I trained for,    maybe,  maybe not, who knows  .

[tommywishbone]

Seems like from the radar and pings that the pilot literally flew the helicopter in to the mountain at 160mph while maintaining a level altitude, more than likely didnt even see the mountain through the fog and they all died instantly.

100 percent.

[Moontrane]

Very interesting comments from a witness.

[Dave D]

That was my dream ,that's what I trained for,    maybe,  maybe not, who knows  .

Che there is no doubt Kobe worked harder and was more disciplined than almost anyone.  But his genetics and lineage played a large role in his success.

If he was 5’9 from Thunderbay, Canada he may have used that same work ethic to get to the NBA. But he was a 6’7 son of an NBA player with an incredible work ethic. On talent/genetics alone he would have been an NBA player.

Alex Curraso could train twice as hard as Lebron James and he would never be half the player Lebron is.

Tracy McGrady or Vince Carter with Kobe’s work ethic would be at a completely different status today.

All pro athletes train hard. The truly great push themselves to a different level.

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[TacoBell]

Che there is no doubt Kobe worked harder and was more disciplined than almost anyone.  But his genetics and lineage played a large role in his success.

If he was 5’9 from Thunderbay, Canada he may have used that same work ethic to get to the NBA. But he was a 6’7 son of an NBA player with an incredible work ethic. On talent/genetics alone he would have been an NBA player.

Alex Curraso could train twice as hard as Lebron James and he would never be half the player Lebron is.

Tracy McGrady or Vince Carter with Kobe’s work ethic would be at a completely different status today.

All pro athletes train hard. The truly great push themselves to a different level.

You really can't knock Vince Carter's work ethic... Dude is still in the league.

[Dave D]

You really can't knock Vince Carter's work ethic... Dude is still in the league.

I’m not knocking it, I said if he had the work ethic of Kobe. VC was a great player, his athleticism is still phenomenal at 42. He obviously worked and took care of his body, he’s had a HOF career but if he had Kobe’s drive he’s a different player.

*Kobe could have hung around like Vince and been a role player off the bench and still be playing today.

[Army of One]

I’m not knocking it, I said if he had the work ethic of Kobe. VC was a great player, his athleticism is still phenomenal at 42. He obviously worked and took care of his body, he’s had a HOF career but if he had Kobe’s drive he’s a different player.

*Kobe could have hung around like Vince and been a role player off the bench and still be playing today.

Again, genetics. If kobe had Jordans mental strength and calm under pressure he'd have been even better. What separates the athletic elite in the nba is their minds.

[pellius]

Again, genetics. If kobe had Jordans mental strength and calm under pressure he'd have been even better. What separates the athletic elite in the nba is their minds.

Don't you think there were other players with the mental strength, drive, determination, and presence of mind as Jordan or was he the only one?