Shocking views from joswift that surprised me

[pellius]

Saddam Hussein had rape squads. Employed soldiers for the purpose of raping mothers and daughters to torment those who had offended him. One member of his own cabinet disagreed with him and he was beaten nearly to death, his house bulldozed, his two daughers (one was 11 years old the other 14) and wife repeatedly raped. This is not to mention the countless of his own people he has tortured (some being fed to lions and put in woodchippers feet first).

Kim Jung-un has murdered and tortured his own people and even had killed members of his own family.

Osama bin Laden wanted everyone who did not convert to his religion to be put to death.

And joswift believes that our and other Western leaders are no better or no worse than these tyrants and monsters.

I had no idea he was such a nut job.

You are aware that those people were no better or worse than any political leaders in the West, you just seem to want to kill people who you disagree with or dont like.
Do you want George Bush and Tony Blair killed?

Would you have had all the leaders during the 2nd World war on the allied forces who were all fully aware of the Holocaust and chose to do nothing in case it diverted resources to the wrong place?

And I gurantee the guy want dead does not wish you harm, unless you have wronged him in some way..what did you do to him?

You can't guarantee (note correct spelling) shit. You have no idea what or who you are talking about. This crazy bum has been arrested numerous times and gets right back on the street. He has randomly assaulted people, he exposes himself to children and makes cat-calls ("show me your panties") as the kids have to walk past him because they have to get to the bus stop. He has threatened me countless times saying he will put a knife in my back. So STFU. You keep talking about things you know nothing about.

"You are aware that those people were no better or worse than any political leaders in the West."

Wow! I want everybody on this board to read this. This surprises me even coming from you. You are equating monsters like Kim Jung-un, Saddam Hussein, and Osama bin Laden? People who have slaughtered their own people for disagreeing with them and killing innocents because they don't share their religion with our leaders.

I had no idea what a nut case you are.

[joswift]

https://theintercept.com/2018/12/01/the-ignored-legacy-of-george-h-w-bush-war-crimes-racism-and-obstruction-of-justice/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/21/america-loves-excusing-its-war-criminals-trump-pardons/
https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-03-12/5-major-atrocities-us-military-history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes

Who do you think invented Concentration Camps?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps

[TTfit]

https://theintercept.com/2018/12/01/the-ignored-legacy-of-george-h-w-bush-war-crimes-racism-and-obstruction-of-justice/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/21/america-loves-excusing-its-war-criminals-trump-pardons/
https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-03-12/5-major-atrocities-us-military-history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes

Who do you think invented Concentration Camps?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps

C'mon bro. You're really reaching on this. 

[joswift]

C'mon bro. You're really reaching on this.  

Pellius is simply trying to character asassinate me by trying to rouse the rabble, maybe hes forgotten about the time he made comments and was labelled a pedo by 90% of the people here jumping to conclusions and putting words in his mouth.

People in glass houses..

[Skeletor]

Saddam Hussein had rape squads. Employed soldiers for the purpose of raping mothers and daughters to torment those who had offended him. One member of his own cabinet disagreed with him and he was beaten nearly to death, his house bulldozed, his two daughers (one was 11 years old the other 14) and wife repeatedly raped. This is not to mention the countless of his own people he has tortured (some being fed to lions and put in woodchippers feet first).

Kim Jung-un has murdered and tortured his own people and even had killed members of his own family.

Osama bin Laden wanted everyone who did not convert to his religion to be put to death.

And joswift believes that our and other Western leaders are no better or no worse than these tyrants and monsters.

I had no idea he was such a nut job.

Where did you see that?

[Dave D]

Pellius are you being serious?

He didnt say Saddam was a good leader he said he was no worse than the western leaders. You would have thought after the Jeffrey Epstein revelations you would realize the this.


Propaganda created to fit the narrative. Just look at a case from your personal life. The media painted Mark Fuhrman as a rasict during the OJ trial and now hes an expert for Fox news.

[TTfit]

Pellius is simply trying to character asassinate me by trying to rouse the rabble, maybe hes forgotten about the time he made comments and was labelled a pedo by 90% of the people here jumping to conclusions and putting words in his mouth.

People in glass houses..

Of course he is. He loves stirring the pot. He's still right though.

[joswift]

Of course he is. He loves stirring the pot. He's still right though.

Right about what?

[pellius]

Pellius is simply trying to character asassinate me by trying to rouse the rabble, maybe hes forgotten about the time he made comments and was labelled a pedo by 90% of the people here jumping to conclusions and putting words in his mouth.

People in glass houses..

Exactly. By quoting your own words and how you stand by them I want people here to know what kind of character you have. It will influence your credibility on other matters considering your life perspective and world view -- including that you don't believe in absolute moral right and moral wrongs -- just opinions. Opinions that, and do, change all the time.

If I am putting words in your mouth out of context then please explain your remark. The essential argument you are making is "They killed people, we killed people." There is no difference in the moral context. Show me where I am wrong.

And unlike, ND, I didn't just post a snippet to mislead but I posted the whole post.

God, your spelling is like that of a 3rd grader.

[pellius]

Where did you see that?

You don't believe it? Would it make a difference if I found a link? And if I can't find it what will you conclude. That Hussein is no better or no worse than Bush, Obama, Clinton, Trump?

[joswift]

Exactly. By quoting your own words and how you stand by them I want people here to know what kind of character you have. It will influence your credibility on other matters considering your life perspective and world view -- including that you don't believe in absolute moral right and moral wrongs -- just opinions. Opinions that, and do, change all the time.

If I am putting words in your mouth out of context then please explain your remark. The essential argument you are making is "They killed people, we killed people." There is no difference in the moral context. Show me where I am wrong.

And unlike, ND, I didn't just post a snippet to mislead but I posted the whole post.

God, your spelling is like that of a 3rd grader.

https://www.salon.com/2014/03/08/35_countries_the_u_s_has_backed_international_crime_partner/

You are aware that those people were no better or worse than any political leaders in the West

If you dont beleive thats true then you need to start reading something other than Western propaganda

All the people you listed are the ones vilified in the Western press as evil dictators

[pellius]

Pellius are you being serious?

He didnt say Saddam was a good leader he said he was no worse than the western leaders. You would have thought after the Jeffrey Epstein revelations you would realize the this.


Propaganda created to fit the narrative. Just look at a case from your personal life. The media painted Mark Fuhrman as a rasict during the OJ trial and now hes an expert for Fox news.

I know he didn't say he said that Hussein was a good leader. I said he claimed they are morally equivalent. Wasn't that obvious? Do you think that our Western leaders are just as bad as Hussein who tortured and killed his own people? I know there a lot of people that do. The nutjobs. Do you feel the reports on Hussein, Kim Jung-un, Osama bin Laden was just media propaganda? Are you one of them?

[pellius]

https://www.salon.com/2014/03/08/35_countries_the_u_s_has_backed_international_crime_partner/

You are aware that those people were no better or worse than any political leaders in the West

If you dont beleive thats true then you need to start reading something other than Western propaganda

All the people you listed are the ones vilified in the Western press as evil dictators

Oh, I see. You found people on the internet that hate the West and are part of the Blame America First crowd. What a surprise.

[joswift]

You don't believe it? Would it make a difference if I found a link? And if I can't find it what will you conclude. That Hussein is no better or no worse than Bush, Obama, Clinton, Trump?

Saddam was our friend at one point..

The West wanted him removed for political reasons, not because he was killing people..
https://www.vox.com/2016/2/16/11022104/iraq-war-neoconservatives

this is perfect...

[pellius]

Saddam was or friend at one point..

The West wanted him removed for political reasons, not because he was killing people..
https://www.vox.com/2016/2/16/11022104/iraq-war-neoconservatives

this is perfect...

So was Stalin. We fought with bin Laden in Afghanistan. And???

You really are not very bright, are you?

[joswift]

I know he didn't say he said that Hussein was a good leader. I said he claimed they are morally equivalent. Wasn't that obvious? Do you think that our Western leaders are just as bad as Hussein who tortured and killed his own people? I know there a lot of people that do. The nutjobs. Do you feel the reports on Hussein, Kim Jung-un, Osama bin Laden was just media propaganda? Are you one of them?

Morality?

[pellius]

Morality?

And that makes him morally equivalent to someone who feeds enemies to lions and has relatives assassinated.

See what becomes of a person with no moral compass?

[Skeletor]

You don't believe it? Would it make a difference if I found a link? And if I can't find it what will you conclude. That Hussein is no better or no worse than Bush, Obama, Clinton, Trump?

I haven’t seen any concrete evidence supporting it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein%27s_alleged_shredder

[joswift]

So was Stalin. We fought with bin Laden in Afghanistan. And???

You really are not very bright, are you?

So, at one time they were fine and then another they suddenly became evil dictators that need to be wiped off the face of the earth?

Judge people on the company they keep..

[joswift]

And that makes him morally equivalent to someone who feeds enemies to lions and has relatives assassinated.

See what becomes of a person with no moral compass?

oh, so now morality has different levels?

Right OK... will God forgive him for all his infidelities?

You are either morally sound or you are not, when God gave us our morals did he share them out equally or did Western leaders get over their fair share?

[joswift]

I haven’t seen any concrete evidence supporting it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein%27s_alleged_shredder

there is none, pellius never reads any evidence, I have posted him links in the past he refuses to read them..

[joswift]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/01/world/africa/africa-terror-attacks.html

[SF1900]

Pellius, you take this forum way too seriously.

[pellius]

I haven’t seen any concrete evidence supporting it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein%27s_alleged_shredder

I'll look it up later but say it's not true, does that change anything? That Bush and Hussein are morally equivalent?

[pellius]

So, at one time they were fine and then another they suddenly became evil dictators that need to be wiped off the face of the earth?

Judge people on the company they keep..

Of course. Are you that much of an idiot? Best friend have often become bitter enemies as circumstances change. Stalin and FDR had a common enemy they were fighting. When that was done the Soviet Union wanted to expand Communism and their influence throughout the world and we were in their way.

Too bad you never educated yourself but just relied on the internet to find views that support your outlook.