Shocking views from joswift that surprised me

[Flexacon]

Saddam Hussein had rape squads. Employed soldiers for the purpose of raping mothers and daughters to torment those who had offended him. One member of his own cabinet disagreed with him and he was beaten nearly to death, his house bulldozed, his two daughers (one was 11 years old the other 14) and wife repeatedly raped. This is not to mention the countless of his own people he has tortured (some being fed to lions and put in woodchippers feet first).

Kim Jung-un has murdered and tortured his own people and even had killed members of his own family.

Osama bin Laden wanted everyone who did not convert to his religion to be put to death.

And joswift believes that our and other Western leaders are no better or no worse than these tyrants and monsters.

I had no idea he was such a nut job.

Here is a question for you. If a western leader could get away with carrying out such acts or even if it made them more popular, how many do you thing would be okay doing them?

My guess is far more than we'd like to believe.

[pellius]

oh, so now morality has different levels?

Right OK... will God forgive him for all his infidelities?

You are either morally sound or you are not, when God gave us our morals did he share them out equally or did Western leaders get over their fair share?

Again you show you know nothing about morality and religion. The idea that man, inherently flawed, has to be morally perfect to be save.

Like I said, you show more and more what a shallow and vapid person you are. Stick to worrying how your body looks and trying to win that trophy so you can show us what you've accomplished in life other than being a personal trainer making 35 grand a year (the figure you quoted) at 55 years old.

[pellius]

there is none, pellius never reads any evidence, I have posted him links in the past he refuses to read them..

Like I said, anybody can post links to support anything. I don't want to get into a battle of who can post the most links. I speak for myself. Can you?

[pellius]

Pellius, you take this forum way too seriously.

If you don't think this is serious subject then there's nothing I can do. There are really people out there that think this way and it's dangerous. I am not type to remain silent when people who benefited from our country shit on it.

[pellius]

Here is a question for you. If a western leader could get away with carrying out such acts or even if it made them more popular, how many do you thing would be okay doing them?

My guess is far more than we'd like to believe.

I can't read peoples minds or know what motivates them. All I can be sure of is what they actually do. Bush didn't have any of his relatives or people who disagrees with him executed.

I judge people on what they actually do and not what I think they might do.

[Dave D]

I know he didn't say he said that Hussein was a good leader. I said he claimed they are morally equivalent. Wasn't that obvious? Do you think that our Western leaders are just as bad as Hussein who tortured and killed his own people? I know there a lot of people that do. The nutjobs. Do you feel the reports on Hussein, Kim Jung-un, Osama bin Laden was just media propaganda? Are you one of them?

LOL yes our leaders are above reproach and can take the moral high ground when compared to the EVIL middle eastern rulers.....

Dude your argument is why people say we should ban guns, multiple public shootings should never take place.

Jeffrey Epstein.

Was his sex slave/trade of minors better than what Saddam did because they werent tortured by gunmen? Were these acts permissible because our "leaders" and "people of power" didnt make them public?

Eric Snowden, is he a traitor or someone the government is singling out because they have the power to frame the narrative?

How do you think other nations explain our homeless issues? Do they villianize the US because the mentally ill roam the streets uncared for?  

Bro you are an easily triggered individual.

[Dave D]

If you don't think this is serious subject then there's nothing I can do. There are really people out there that think this way and it's dangerous. I not type to remain silent when people who benefited from our country shit on it.

The world is dangerous place.

What do you suggest we do, eliminate everyone that doesnt have the same beliefs as you?  How do we start?

Do we give them the opportunity to change and if they dont act accordingly imprison them? Or should they be euthanized?

[pellius]

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I know he didn't say he said that Hussein was a good leader. I said he claimed they are morally equivalent. Wasn't that obvious? Do you think that our Western leaders are just as bad as Hussein who tortured and killed his own people? I know there a lot of people that do. The nutjobs. Do you feel the reports on Hussein, Kim Jung-un, Osama bin Laden was just media propaganda? Are you one of them?


LOL yes our leaders are above reproach and can take the moral high ground when compared to the EVIL middle eastern rulers.....

Dude your argument is why people say we should ban guns, multiple public shootings should never take place.

Jeffrey Epstein.

Was his sex slave/trade of minors better than what Saddam did because they werent tortured by gunmen? Were these acts permissible because our "leaders" and "people of power" didnt make them public?

Eric Snowden, is he a traitor or someone the government is singling out because they have the power to frame the narrative?

How do you think other nations explain our homeless issues? Do they villianize the US because the mentally ill roam the streets uncared for? 

Bro you are an easily triggered individual.

I don't see your logic. I am an NRA member for 25 years and a gun owner.

We are comparing nation leaders. You now want to compare civilian criminals as representing our country. It's apples and oranges, my friend.

And, yes, I'm easily triggered. So don't "trigger" me if you are not up to defending your position.

[SF1900]

If you don't think this is serious subject then there's nothing I can do. There are really people out there that think this way and it's dangerous. I am not type to remain silent when people who benefited from our country shit on it.

I never said it wasn't a serious topic. I said you take this place way too seriously. There's a difference.

[pellius]

The world is dangerous place.

What do you suggest we do, eliminate everyone that doesnt have the same beliefs as you?  How do we start?

Do we give them the opportunity to change and if they dont act accordingly imprison them? Or should they be euthanized?

Is that your take away message? Because I think it's absurd and immoral to make a moral equivalence of brutal tyrants and Western leaders that I want to eliminate, which I take as meaning to kill, people who disagree with me? Really?

[pellius]

I never said it wasn't a serious topic. I said you take this place way too seriously. There's a difference.

You've read my post for years. I take serious topics seriously and lighthearted topics in kind.

You know I'm a big fan of Rory and support your loyalty to Auto Zone.

[Dave D]

I don't see your logic. I am an NRA member for 25 years and a gun owner.

We are comparing nation leaders. You now want to compare civilian criminals as representing our country. It's apples and oranges, my friend.

And, yes, I'm easily triggered. So don't "trigger" me if you are not up to defending your position.

I didnt trigger you. Joswift did.

If you cant see the correlations between multiple public shootings (they are bad, horrible and evil) and people holding leadership and the President accountable than I cant explain it.

When you worked as a security guard if you let someone that didnt live in the complex in and they robbed multiple units would you have kept your job, even though you didnt rob anyone?

You're an interesting individual. I bet you made a great boss in the workplace.

[Dave D]

Is that your take away message? Because I think it's absurd and immoral to make a moral equivalence of brutal tyrants and Western leaders that I want to eliminate, which I take as meaning to kill, people who disagree with me? Really?

Im asking what you suggest we do to people who make such offensive comments? How do we stop this?

[pellius]

I didnt trigger you. Joswift did.

If you cant see the correlations between multiple public shootings (they are bad, horrible and evil) and people holding leadership and the President accountable than I cant explain it.

When you worked as a security guard if you let someone that didnt live in the complex in and they robbed multiple units would you have kept your job, even though you didnt rob anyone?

You're an interesting individual. I bet you made a great boss in the workplace.

I never said you triggered me. When I freely admit that I am easily triggered and to keep that mind if you don't want a long drawn out debate why do you take that to mean that I am saying you triggered me?

It's fascinating to me how people read into things and embellish them. When I say our world leaders are morally superior to murderous tyrants then some conclude that I'm saying our leaders are beyond reproach. So many are just not clear thinkers.

And no, I don't see much correlation between our leaders and shootings. We have had leaders from all sides of the political spectrum and shootings have only gone up. Guns used to be more easily available. When my dad was a kid you could buy one out of the Sears catalog.

Guns basically haven't changed, the availability of guns is more restricted, so it's the people who have changed. And it's more than the president that influences culture and conscious.

[pellius]

Im asking what you suggest we do to people who make such offensive comments? How do we stop this?

Great question! I'll get back to you on this one.

Anyway, I have to go to the gym. Sooner or later joswift is going to challenge me to a pose down and in that respect I have to admit that I fall short, by not a small margin I might add. As with my days as a competitive athlete when I knew defeat was pretty much inevitable I want to at least make a brave show of it.

[joswift]

Of course. Are you that much of an idiot? Best friend have often become bitter enemies as circumstances change. Stalin and FDR had a common enemy they were fighting. When that was done the Soviet Union wanted to expand Communism and their influence throughout the world and we were in their way.

Too bad you never educated yourself but just relied on the internet to find views that support your outlook.

So by your reasoning as long as we are friends at the time they can do what they like and if they do something we dont agree with then all bets are off and they are tyrants to be exterminated?

the CIA funded Afghan jihadists under the guise of Operation Cyclone when they were fighting Russia, a few years later the USA send in a kill squad to eliminate Osama Bin Laden

Dont you see its not about taking out leaders because they are despots, its purely for political reasons.

You seriously think these people are kiled because we believe they have skewed morals?

[joswift]

And, yes, I'm easily triggered. So don't "trigger" me if you are not up to defending your position.

I never said you triggered me. When I freely admit that I am easily triggered and to keep that mind if you dont want a long drawn out debate why do you take that to mean that I am saying you triggered me?

[Humble Narcissist]

Saddam Hussein had rape squads. Employed soldiers for the purpose of raping mothers and daughters to torment those who had offended him. One member of his own cabinet disagreed with him and he was beaten nearly to death, his house bulldozed, his two daughers (one was 11 years old the other 14) and wife repeatedly raped. This is not to mention the countless of his own people he has tortured (some being fed to lions and put in woodchippers feet first).

Kim Jung-un has murdered and tortured his own people and even had killed members of his own family.

Osama bin Laden wanted everyone who did not convert to his religion to be put to death.

And joswift believes that our and other Western leaders are no better or no worse than these tyrants and monsters.

I had no idea he was such a nut job.

Joswift just disagrees to disagree.  If you say water is wet he will disagree with you.  Best to ignore him.

[joswift]

Its just business....

[joswift]

Joswift just disagrees to disagree.  If you say water is wet he will disagree with you.  Best to ignore him.

Being a liquid, water is not itself wet, but can make other solid materials wet.

Wetness is the ability of a liquid to adhere to the surface of a solid, so when we say that something is wet, we mean that the liquid is sticking to the surface of a material.

[chaos]

So?

[D.O.A.]

Being a liquid, water is not itself wet, but can make other solid materials wet.

Wetness is the ability of a liquid to adhere to the surface of a solid, so when we say that something is wet, we mean that the liquid is sticking to the surface of a material.

Hahahaha!
Joswift delivers, always!

[Irongrip400]

Pellius is simply trying to character asassinate me by trying to rouse the rabble, maybe hes forgotten about the time he made comments and was labelled a pedo by 90% of the people here jumping to conclusions and putting words in his mouth.

People in glass houses..

Joswift=shizzo

Welcome back bro

[pellius]

Joswift=shizzo

Welcome back bro

It's the boogeyman, Joon.

[pellius]

Im asking what you suggest we do to people who make such offensive comments? How do we stop this?

I am not in the business of suppressing offensive comments. I am not personally offended by joswift's beliefs. I disagree with them and think they are shallow and ignorant. People will read this, and not just from joswift, but others that think this way, and believe it because many don't think for themselves or try to think through the arguments presented. I try to argue my case and let others decide after hearing both sides. The idea that because our leaders have had innocents killed in times of war, or assassinate those that do harm to our country and people, that they are somehow morally equivalent to brutal dictators like Kim Jung-un. Try to speak against Kim Jung-un and see what happens to you. In this country not only can you speak against the President, but you can also do it to his face with impunity.

You can call their bluff the same way that you call out other people who shit on this country and consider America a horrible place. Ask them why they don't live somewhere else it this country is so bad. Why do so many people want to come here than any other country?

If someone had the choice between living under Kim Jung-un or President Trump who would they choose? Would they just flip a coin as it doesn't make any difference? Notice that all the bloviating Leftists that threatened to leave this country if Trump was elected grow very quiet when he was.