Shocking views from joswift that surprised me

[pellius]

You have to understand that this kind of level of stupidity cannot exist in the mentally stable person. To be as stupid as he is, you need to have some kind of mental disorder or mental handicap. This is only way to explain that level of stupidity, which this dimwit presents.

I don't think necessarily mentally ill it's having no moral sense. No value system to guide him but just personal opinion based on current circumstances. That's what makes him so incredibly shallow and empty.

[pellius]

He is largely correct.We have barely evolved at all in 400 years, but go back that amount of time we'd have all been in the town Square to enjoy a good hanging, or if we were especially lucky a beheading or a drawing and quartering.I always say we are around 2-3 weeks from turning in to savages who would murder to stay alive.An emp taking out the entire electrical grid and killing every electronic device would see us in a walking dead scenario where it's everyman for himself before you could even fully process the situation.Any other view on humanity is naive.Like joswift said Nazi Germany got a whole country to either murder or turn a blind eye to the death of millions, and that was only 80 years ago.

You fail to understand, what I think is a very basic concept, the argument here. It's not that there are bad people and that if decent society collapses all hell would break loose. That's why we have laws and people that enforce them. The argument here is that no one is any better or worse than someone else. Do you believe that? Every time they post a bunch of ape-like Hebrews committing horrible and disgusting crimes that you are no better than they are. You just haven't been put in their situation and if you were you would be the exact same way. If that was the case, how can anybody be responsible for anything when their actions are already coded in their DNA and expressed solely by their circumstances. Can conceive of a situation where you would rape a 7-year-old little girl and then bury her alive?

[pellius]

Yes this is exactly what I say - Shut Down all electrical power - No Petrol Pumps No Food supplies No medicines Etc for 4-6 wks max - it’d be a Fight Of Survival - People attacking, Robbing, Killing one another for food ( it'd be quicker than that in Black inner cities as they already Killing one & another in great No.s )
Man hasn’t evolved very much really - This society is very precariously held together.
All these Liberal Leftists/ Snowflakes/ Vegans/ Vegetarians/ Would Either Man the Fuck up Real Quick or Be The 1st Lot To Go.

I’ve planned for it. Just in case. It’d be Kill or Be Killed - The Bigger The Cities the quicker it would deteriorate - Living in the Country would be slightly better.

Again, refer to my previous post. Do you think you are no better or no worse than the animals and monsters we hear about? That it is only due to circumstances that you are not the same way? If that were the case why should anybody be held responsible for their actions when it's already encoded in their DNA and circumstances? They simply cannot in any other way. Given the circumstances, you can just as easily due the most cruel things imaginable that monsters masquerading as human beings do. You'll just as easily cut off the balls and other body parts of a 17-year-old boy because he doesn't belong to you gang? If you were in that gang you would just go along with it because you don't think you have a value system that overrides such human depravity?

[pellius]

Go read "Ordinary men"

Its the story of a group of men, volounteers who were drafted into the Reserve Police Battalion 101 to help with the clearance of Jews in Poland in 1942.

They were told what was expected (killing pregnant women and children) and were given the option to not do it and step down, almost all of them went ahead, there were a few reasons for that, but the least of those reasons was because they thought they would enjoy it.

Almost everyone looks down on murderers and say "I could never do that", wrong, yes you could...and maybe enjoy it.

You have yourself already admitted to wanting to kill a guy in your neighbourhood.. not many people are ready to admit to that.

People watch Schindlers list and if asked say , Oh I would be like Oscar Shindler, I would save people"... errrr no, no you wouldnt, because people didnt.

Go watch some videos of "The Milgram Experiment"

Really? Again you piss on and disgrace all those brave men and women that risked and even sacrifice their lives to save perfect strangers throughout history. People in Nazi Germany did help and risk -- and lost -- their lives trying to save Jews. First-hand stories are told about how they were able to flee Germany with the help of others. Some even hid Jewish families within their own homes at great risk to themselves. Maybe you should read "The Diary of Anne Frank".

The way you dismissed all the good people throughout history and today who have sacrificed their lives to save others. You truly are a despicable and morally corrupt person.

[illuminati]

Again, refer to my previous post. Do you think you are no better or no worse than the animals and monsters we hear about? That it is only due to circumstances that you are not the same way? If that were the case why should anybody be held responsible for their actions when it's already encoded in their DNA and circumstances? They simply cannot in any other way. Given the circumstances, you can just as easily due the most cruel things imaginable that monsters masquerading as human beings do. You'll just as easily cut off the balls and other body parts of a 17-year-old boy because he doesn't belong to you gang? If you were in that gang you would just go along with it because you don't think you have a value system that overrides such human depravity?

Cleary we are Better at Behaving & Not Doing Such Atrocious Acts. Or we’d be out Doing them Now.
Sadly some are.

My point is - Society is held together by a very thin Veneer & IF / When Things Breakdown Most
Will do whatever they have to to Survive - I believe far more are capable of murder & killings & despicable
Deeds if they
1, Had to Survive
2, There was No Repercussions

Sadly there are a lot of Sickos out there that hold it together because they’re scared of being caught / repercussions.

I’m honest enough to acknowledge that the Human Species really hasn’t evolved/ progressed very far
When the Going gets tough - our Animal / Survival instincts kick in.

Why did so many partake in the horrors of German Death Camps  & All The Other Murderous atrocities since when they could’ve avoided doing so??

I’d be Very Very Surprised if you didn’t agree with Me on this.

[pellius]

Cleary we are Better at Behaving & Not Doing Such Atrocious Acts. Or we’d be out Doing them Now.
Sadly some are.

My point is - Society is held together by a very thin Veneer & IF / When Things Breakdown Most
Will do whatever they have to to Survive - I believe far more are capable of murder & killings & despicable
Deeds if they
1, Had to Survive
2, There was No Repercussions

Sadly there are a lot of Sickos out there that hold it together because they’re scared of being caught / repercussions.

I’m honest enough to acknowledge that the Human Species really hasn’t evolved/ progressed very far
When the Going gets tough - our Animal / Survival instincts kick in.

Why did so many partake in the horrors of German Death Camps  & All The Other Murderous atrocities since when they could’ve avoided doing so??

I’d be Very Very Surprised if you didn’t agree with Me on this.

I do agree with this but that is not what we are talking about. It's the notion that everybodu is no better or no worse than anybody else.

[illuminati]

I do agree with this but that is not what we are talking about. It's the notion that everybodu is no better or no worse than anybody else.

Thanks 👍🏻
My Bad - Very Clearly Some People are very decent & some are walking scumbags intent on doing bad things whenever possible.

[joswift]

You fail to understand, what I think is a very basic concept, the argument here. It's not that there are bad people and that if decent society collapses all hell would break loose. That's why we have laws and people that enforce them. The argument here is that no one is any better or worse than someone else. Do you believe that? Every time they post a bunch of ape-like Hebrews committing horrible and disgusting crimes that you are no better than they are. You just haven't been put in their situation and if you were you would be the exact same way. If that was the case, how can anybody be responsible for anything when their actions are already coded in their DNA and expressed solely by their circumstances. Can conceive of a situation where you would rape a 7-year-old little girl and then bury her alive?

The argument here is that no one is any better or worse than someone else.

No, thats not the argument, the argument is that everyone is capable of the same atrocities given the right circumstances

Can conceive of a situation where you would rape a 7-year-old little girl and then bury her alive?
Did Hitler , Saddam, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin do that?

To do that you have to be a pedophile, are you arguing that isnt hard wired in?

[joswift]

Again, refer to my previous post. Do you think you are no better or no worse than the animals and monsters we hear about? That it is only due to circumstances that you are not the same way? If that were the case why should anybody be held responsible for their actions when it's already encoded in their DNA and circumstances? They simply cannot in any other way. Given the circumstances, you can just as easily due the most cruel things imaginable that monsters masquerading as human beings do. You'll just as easily cut off the balls and other body parts of a 17-year-old boy because he doesn't belong to you gang? If you were in that gang you would just go along with it because you don't think you have a value system that overrides such human depravity?

Yes, yes you would, to all thoise questions... you just dont want to admit that you could do it, what are you scared of?

Just because you make choices not to do those things doesnt mean you wouldnt do it...
You havent kiled your neighbour yet, but it could happen given the right circumstances..

I myself dont want to kill anyone, you have already admitted you would do it if you could get away with it, your moral compass is already skewed..

[Ropo]

I don't think necessarily mentally ill it's having no moral sense. No value system to guide him but just personal opinion based on current circumstances. That's what makes him so incredibly shallow and empty.

Missing my point completely? Let me explain: Intelligence is the most ruling part of human behaviour, and lack of it make people do silly things. Stupid things, like all of us do every now and then. But when you combine stupidity to complete ignorance, spite and total absence of logic, it goes so far beyond stupidity, that it can't be done without mental illness or handicap. So if it is impossible to be as stupid as dimwit is, and still  alive, there has to be logical explanation for this miracle, and that is simple: there has to be caretaker looking after that ape, so he doesn't hurt himself. You know, someone who tell him when breath in, when breath out..

[wes]

I have no dog in this "fight" got the utmost respect for both of these fine gentlemen.

Not that it`s a fight per se` !

[joswift]

Missing my point completely? Let me explain: Intelligence is the most ruling part of human behaviour, and lack of it make people do silly things. Stupid things, like all of us do every now and then. But when you combine stupidity to complete ignorance, spite and total absence of logic, it goes so far beyond stupidity, that it can't be done without mental illness or handicap. So if it is impossible to be as stupid as dimwit is, and still  alive, there has to be logical explanation for this miracle, and that is simple: there has to be caretaker looking after that ape, so he doesn't hurt himself. You know, someone who tell him when breath in, when breath out..

So, you believe everything I have written makes me to dumb to live in a world without me having someone to tell me to breath in and out..

OK.. everything I have written is based on listening to Jordan Peterson and the "Shadow" by Carl Jung.

If Im that level stupid then Im in good company..

[illuminati]

Go read "Ordinary men"

Its the story of a group of men, volounteers who were drafted into the Reserve Police Battalion 101 to help with the clearance of Jews in Poland in 1942.

They were told what was expected (killing pregnant women and children) and were given the option to not do it and step down, almost all of them went ahead, there were a few reasons for that, but the least of those reasons was because they thought they would enjoy it.

Almost everyone looks down on murderers and say "I could never do that", wrong, yes you could...and maybe enjoy it.

You have yourself already admitted to wanting to kill a guy in your neighbourhood.. not many people are ready to admit to that.

People watch Schindlers list and if asked say , Oh I would be like Oscar Shindler, I would save people"... errrr no, no you wouldnt, because people didnt.

Go watch some videos of "The Milgram Experiment"

Damn I’d forgotten about the Milgram Experiment - It’s a Very Compelling Argument
To why so many do such horrible things to others - Because of Authority/ They’re told to -
Like That makes it OK or They’re Not Responsible 🙄🙄🙄
Goes to show what simple Creatures we are & how easy to Manipulate.

[Kwon]

Nothing surprises or shocks me anymore.


Been living in Sweden for 50 years and seen it driven to sheit.

You could take a picture of Sweden from the 70s next to one from 2020 and you wouldn't believe it was the same country.

[illuminati]

Nothing surprises or shocks me anymore.


Been living in Sweden for 50 years and seen it driven to sheit.

You could take a picture of Sweden from the 70s next to one from 2020 and you wouldn't believe it was the same country.

Really - That’s a Very sad indictment
And this is Manily Because of EU / Liberal Leftists Policy ??

[joswift]

Nothing surprises or shocks me anymore.


Been living in Sweden for 50 years and seen it driven to sheit.

You could take a picture of Sweden from the 70s next to one from 2020 and you wouldn't believe it was the same country.

[_bruce_]

Nothing surprises or shocks me anymore.


Been living in Sweden for 50 years and seen it driven to sheit.

You could take a picture of Sweden from the 70s next to one from 2020 and you wouldn't believe it was the same country.

You're not alone but it's obvious that Sweden took one of the biggest hits.

[pellius]

Yes, yes you would, to all thoise questions... you just dont want to admit that you could do it, what are you scared of?

Just because you make choices not to do those things doesnt mean you wouldnt do it...
You havent kiled your neighbour yet, but it could happen given the right circumstances..

I myself dont want to kill anyone, you have already admitted you would do it if you could get away with it, your moral compass is already skewed..

Your torrential flow of illogical is almost fascinating. You can't speak for me. You don't know what's in my heart or anybody else's. It's your staggering conceit and hubris that thinks you can. And the idea that I would rather die than do certain acts, as many do and have, means that I am afraid? What a warped point of view you have. And the fact that I don't do something bad that I would want to do means exactly that I have a moral compass that guides, not my thoughts, but my actions. What's fascinating is that you are so oblivious to this obvious example that proves just the opposite that makes you so morally confuse and illogical.

And the fact that I do make choices not to do something that I would rather not do is the perfect example that I wouldn't do it. I don't judge people by what they feel or desire but what they do. This even applies to the most mundane things. I may not feel like going to the gym but by choice I do. Most natural human desires are not good or noble. It is more natural and easier to be lazy, selfish, greedy, dishonest... Part of being a moral and decent person is overcoming these traits even if you can get away with it without anybody knowing. You obviously have never been taught this, hence, you have no moral foundation and only a product of your nature and circumstances.

But keep talking. Keep telling us what you believe and what kind of person you are. Keep "delivering".

[pellius]

The argument here is that no one is any better or worse than someone else.

No, thats not the argument, the argument is that everyone is capable of the same atrocities given the right circumstances

Can conceive of a situation where you would rape a 7-year-old little girl and then bury her alive?
Did Hitler , Saddam, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin do that?

To do that you have to be a pedophile, are you arguing that isnt hard wired in?

These, to use ND's favorite expression, "your words". If you want to retract them then please do. And Saddam had rape squads whose job was to rape enemies to torture and humiliate them and that included, men, women, and children. He knew the horror and torture it would be to have parents watch as their little sons and daughters are gang-raped. You don't have to be a hard wired homo or pedo to rape them if it's your job and you want to inflict torture. But it doesn't matter, according to you we are all hardwired the same to commit evil.

"You are aware that those people were no better or worse than any political leaders in the West"

"Think of the most evil people in history , you , you yourself could do exactly the same thing."

[pellius]

Damn I’d forgotten about the Milgram Experiment - It’s a Very Compelling Argument
To why so many do such horrible things to others - Because of Authority/ They’re told to -
Like That makes it OK or They’re Not Responsible 🙄🙄🙄
Goes to show what simple Creatures we are & how easy to Manipulate.

I remember that experiment very well. It didn't surprise me. One of the problems this country is having is that they assume most people want to be free. Actually, most people want to be taken care of and have decisions made for them that's why Socialism is so attractive to so many people -- but not all.

[Ropo]

So, you believe everything I have written makes me to dumb to live in a world without me having someone to tell me to breath in and out..

OK.. everything I have written is based on listening to Jordan Peterson and the "Shadow" by Carl Jung.

If Im that level stupid then Im in good company..

That's what you say, anyway. But as we all know, you are full of shit, so what difference it makes what you say? Even my cat is listening when someone is talking, and I bet that it understand it better than you, with those crap filled brains of yours. And that is the point: you can listen who ever you want, but because your main problem is understanding, it doesn't help you at all. You should listen Samuel Colt, just like you always do, let his words go in one ear, and out from the other..

[joswift]

These, to use ND's favorite expression, "your words".

There is an especially egregious homeless person in our neighborhood that I wish was dead. If I didn't believe it was a sin I would put a bullet in his wretched head and go to sleep knowing that I, in a small way made, the world a better place. And no one would give a shit but breathe a sigh of relief.

that's pretty much what Hitler said about the Jews.,..

[joswift]

These, to use ND's favorite expression, "your words". If you want to retract them then please do. And Saddam had rape squads whose job was to rape enemies to torture and humiliate them and that included, men, women, and children. He knew the horror and torture it would be to have parents watch as their little sons and daughters are gang-raped. You don't have to be a hard wired homo or pedo to rape them if it's your job and you want to inflict torture. But it doesn't matter, according to you we are all hardwired the same to commit evil.

"You are aware that those people were no better or worse than any political leaders in the West"

"Think of the most evil people in history , you , you yourself could do exactly the same thing."

And the guards in the concentration camps were just family men who loved their wives and children.
So were the soldiers involved in the Nanking Massacre.
So were the soilders working under Pol Pot
So were the soilders and police working for Adi Amin

Not monsters, not psychopaths, just regular guys like you and me who likely didnt even think they were capable of doing what they did..

A large majority of traumatised veterans are not traumatised by what they have seen, its what they have done...

You keep believing that people are morally sound , even you yourself dont show yourself as a shining example of morality

[Army of One]

Your torrential flow of illogical is almost fascinating. You can't speak for me. You don't know what's in my heart or anybody else's. It's your staggering conceit and hubris that thinks you can. And the idea that I would rather die than do certain acts, as many do and have, means that I am afraid. What a warped point of view you have. And the fact that I don't do something bad that I would want to do means exactly that I have a moral compass that guides, not my thoughts, but my actions. What's fascination is that you are so oblivious to this obvious example that proves just the opposite that makes you so morally confuse and illogical.

And the fact that I do make choices not to do something that I would rather not do is the perfect example that I wouldn't do it. I don't judge people by what they feel or desire but what they do. This even applies to the most mundane things. I may not feel like going to the gym but by choice I do. Most natural human desires are not good or noble. It is more natural and easier to be lazy, selfish, greedy, dishonest... Part of being a moral and decent person is overcoming these traits even if you can get away with it without anybody knowing. You obviously have never been taught this, hence, you have no moral foundation and only a product of your nature and circumstances.

But keep talking. Keep telling us what you believe and what kind of person you are. Keep "delivering".

the poor, hungry, homeless bum you physically attacked outside the burger joint a few months back over nothing, what would you have done to him if he and his friends raped and killed a family member of yours during war?

[pellius]

that's pretty much what Hitler said about the Jews.,..

No, he didn't. He actually had Jews killed.

God, you're an idiot who shows time and again the ability to think logically.