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When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« on: February 03, 2020, 10:35:50 PM »
A vid of Gunther Schlierkamp and his training at the famous/infamous GOLD'S GYM California training for that 2002 Olympia when he for all intents and purposes BEAT Ronnie Coleman


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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2020, 11:06:20 PM »
A good friend of mine said that Tom Prince giving Gunter the Nazi salute at the beginning showed signs of poor social skills on Tom's part [my friend is a Canadian "Neo-Nazi" like myself, but just felt that it was in poor taste].  YouTube no longer auto-populates Hitler's name when you put "hitl" as the search term because 95% of the videos about Hitler were overwhelmingly positive, as were their respective ratings, LOL.  So it's possible that Tom himself didn't buy into anti-German propaganda, and didn't think much of that salute.  Or maybe it was just socially inept.

As for Gunter - he really stepped up that year, and was 300-lb at the contest, up from [I believe] 293-lb in 2001, and 285-287 in 2000.

He also weighed 300-lb [or just over] in 2003, but his conditioning wasn't the same as it was in 2002.  It came back to that level in 2005 when he competed at 2005.  Then he had a lackluster 10th place finish in 2006, in a performance described by his trainer Charles Glass on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly [an Ironage bodybuilding podcast, before podcasts were cool] that "What happened to Gunter happened."

Then Gunter retired - possibly for health preservation reasons.  He was only 36 at the time, so I would have to assume it was health preservation reasons.  And he had just started dating Kim Lyons, and maybe he wanted to start a family.  His son Jake Schlierkamp will be turning 10 in June!  Gunter said that he will probably end up being taller than him, so I assume he has pretty good bodybuilding genetics.

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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2020, 11:45:18 PM »
A good friend of mine said that Tom Prince giving Gunter the Nazi salute at the beginning showed signs of poor social skills on Tom's part [my friend is a Canadian "Neo-Nazi" like myself, but just felt that it was in poor taste].  YouTube no longer auto-populates Hitler's name when you put "hitl" as the search term because 95% of the videos about Hitler were overwhelmingly positive, as were their respective ratings, LOL.  So it's possible that Tom himself didn't buy into anti-German propaganda, and didn't think much of that salute.  Or maybe it was just socially inept.

As for Gunter - he really stepped up that year, and was 300-lb at the contest, up from [I believe] 293-lb in 2001, and 285-287 in 2000.

He also weighed 300-lb [or just over] in 2003, but his conditioning wasn't the same as it was in 2002.  It came back to that level in 2005 when he competed at 2005.  Then he he a lackluster 10th place finish in 2006, in a performance described by his trainer Charles Glass on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly [an Ironage bodybuilding podcast, before podcasts were cool] that "What happened to Gunter happened."

Then Gunter retired - possibly for health reasons.  He was only 36 at the time, so I would have to assume it was health reasons.  And he had just started dating Kim Lyons, and maybe he wanted to start a family.  His son Jake Schlierkamp will be turning 10 in June!  Gunter said that he will probably end up being taller than him, so I assume he has pretty good bodybuilding genetics.

You really don’t do well in real life social settings do you man?

Look at my response to Twaddle in the “everyone racist” thread and you will see that I am in no way a leftie - but claiming to be a “neo-Nazi” is really gay. I really think that guys should be mandated to serve in the military ( real military not Canadian - you cats don’t have a Marine Corps??). It would harden you up and show you that wasting time whining about which race is best is just weak.
Fck anyone who says I have white / male privilege and the same to anyone who says ALL blacks are inferior. We’ve just become too pussified. Men bitching like women is disgusting. Fck affirmative action - that’s racist as hell - and fck black lives matter. That said - fck the praise of that greasy ass - body odor / poor hygenic / METH HEAD that was Hitler. The dude was a fagg artist that failed and so he blamed others. He MASTERED the art of communication and lead his countrymen into insanity. There is nothing about that odd lil fck to admire (other than his incredibly masterful marketing ability).

As far as the question - if you want to change your race you’re a fckn retard / pussy. Whatever race you are can NEVER hold you back. It’s our decisions and actions that make or break us. 

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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2020, 12:18:26 AM »
You really don’t do well in real life social settings do you man?

Yes...

...and NO.  ;D

It depends on whether or not I purposely indulge in autism.

I assume it's something the same for people with OCD tendencies - if they indulge in them, that may become an issue...or if they keep them in check, they will probably be ok.

I have changed my posting stance since coming back to Getbig, for example.  As per my discussion with Ron at an Arnold Classic - I bought him a pop, and he removed me from Time Out as a result!  Nice guy!!

I told him that I would not start threads that derail the topic of discussion at hand on Getbig - in other words, not start threads talking about politics, here on a bodybuilding forum.  I said that I would only discuss such topics in threads started by other people, so as to not derail on-topic posts.

There were some other small changes I made - but basically, I told Ron that I wouldn't let me politics be the focal point of anything.  I think my post above is around the deepest I want to go, politics-wise, in a non-political post on here.  Only because what I was talking about did happen in the video posted...so it was somewhat on-topic...but going much further than that could easily delve out of bounds.

As I said, I promised Ron I wouldn't that day at an Ironage Arnold Classic that we both attended, where I bought him a pop.  And I have mostly [ ;D] kept my word.  :)

To summarize, I can keep my behaviour in check socially - although sometimes I do let it slide.  I find that, for the most part, I do a pretty good job behaving well socially though.

Look at my response to Twaddle in the “everyone racist” thread and you will see that I am in no way a leftie - but claiming to be a “neo-Nazi” is really gay. I really think that guys should be mandated to serve in the military ( real military not Canadian - you cats don’t have a Marine Corps??). It would harden you up and show you that wasting time whining about which race is best is just weak.
Fck anyone who says I have white / male privilege and the same to anyone who says ALL blacks are inferior. We’ve just become too pussified. Men bitching like women is disgusting. Fck affirmative action - that’s racist as hell - and fck black lives matter. That said - fck the praise of that greasy ass - body odor / poor hygenic / METH HEAD that was Hitler. The dude was a fagg artist that failed and so he blamed others. He MASTERED the art of communication and lead his countrymen into insanity. There is nothing about that odd lil fck to admire (other than his incredibly masterful marketing ability).

As far as the question - if you want to change your race you’re a fckn retard / pussy. Whatever race you are can NEVER hold you back. It’s our decisions and actions that make or break us.  

Interesting post.  I was in the military myself, and trained with the JTF-2, and was commended by the prime minister at the time for doing so [Jean Chretien].  They are close to Canada comes as having marines.  But you are right to say that we have no marines.

Regarding your comments on racial differences, would you also say that Black sprint speed, for example, doesn't denote a genetic advantage for Africans?

How about basketball?  How about football [aside from the quarterback position]?

It would seem to me those skills are determined pretty strongly by genetics.

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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2020, 02:44:00 AM »
Look at my response to Twaddle in the “everyone racist” thread and you will see that I am in no way a leftie - but claiming to be a “neo-Nazi” is really gay. I really think that guys should be mandated to serve in the military ( real military not Canadian - you cats don’t have a Marine Corps??). It would harden you up and show you that wasting time whining about which race is best is just weak.
Fck anyone who says I have white / male privilege and the same to anyone who says ALL blacks are inferior. We’ve just become too pussified.

This video is actually relevant because it showed up immediately after the 2002 Gunter video posted above, in my YouTube auto-play, lol.

Also because it demonstrates superior Black bodybuilding genetics.  Although to be fair, Blacks and Whites are about even in bodybuilding - much like in MMA.  I would say that if we look at the percentage of Blacks in the population, and the number of Mr. Olympia winners who have been Black [over 50%], that while Blacks and Whites are represented fairly evenly in some aspects of bodybuilding [overall quality of pros], and in some ways, White bodybuilders are even better than Black bodybuilders [in terms of conditioning - as Andreas Munzer, Rich Gaspari, and Dorian Yates were three of the absolutely most shredded bodybuilders ever, matching or surpassing any top-conditioned Black bodybuilder], that once we consider the Black share of the American population at 13% and compare it to non-Hispanic Whites who are close to 5x that number [around 63%], I would argue that, yes, Blacks have an advantage in bodybuilding.

Not as much as Blacks have an advantage in sprinting, or that Whites have in strongman or Olympic weight lifting [which Whites and Asians dominate], but I would say that it would be possible to argue that Blacks have a genetic advantage in bodybuilding.

I also don't think it's "racist" to analyze these types of questions - nor is it saying that one race is "superior" or "inferior" to another one exactly, but rather - that the races are simply different.

Ronnie Coleman, however, IS superior, lol!!!  Gunter Schlierkamp too [in bodybuilding, and having a kilowatt smile.  8)]


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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2020, 03:15:03 AM »
A vid of Gunther Schlierkamp and his training at the famous/infamous GOLD'S GYM California training for that 2002 Olympia when he for all intents and purposes BEAT Ronnie Coleman




His name is not “Gunther”

His name is GUNTER

And Gunter coined the term: GUNTERMANIA

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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2020, 03:20:14 AM »
A good friend of mine said that Tom Prince giving Gunter the Nazi salute at the beginning showed signs of poor social skills on Tom's part [my friend is a Canadian "Neo-Nazi" like myself, but just felt that it was in poor taste].  YouTube no longer auto-populates Hitler's name when you put "hitl" as the search term because 95% of the videos about Hitler were overwhelmingly positive, as were their respective ratings, LOL.  So it's possible that Tom himself didn't buy into anti-German propaganda, and didn't think much of that salute.  Or maybe it was just socially inept.

As for Gunter - he really stepped up that year, and was 300-lb at the contest, up from [I believe] 293-lb in 2001, and 285-287 in 2000.

He also weighed 300-lb [or just over] in 2003, but his conditioning wasn't the same as it was in 2002.  It came back to that level in 2005 when he competed at 2005.  Then he had a lackluster 10th place finish in 2006, in a performance described by his trainer Charles Glass on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly [an Ironage bodybuilding podcast, before podcasts were cool] that "What happened to Gunter happened."

Then Gunter retired - possibly for health preservation reasons.  He was only 36 at the time, so I would have to assume it was health preservation reasons.  And he had just started dating Kim Lyons, and maybe he wanted to start a family.  His son Jake Schlierkamp will be turning 10 in June!  Gunter said that he will probably end up being taller than him, so I assume he has pretty good bodybuilding genetics.

Being over 6 feet tall , is certainly not good genetics for bodybuilding.   Look at history.   

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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2020, 03:24:36 AM »
Being over 6 feet tall , is certainly not good genetics for bodybuilding.   Look at history.  

Good point on that.  I suppose if Jake grows to 6'3" or taller, he could still end up being a massive man [obviously even more, if enhanced], but from a sheer professional bodybuilding perspective, you would be correct to say that we should all fear for Jake's contest placings, if he grows that tall.

In fact, at 6'1.5", Gunter's 4th place finish in 2005 was the highest placing of any bodybuilder that tall since Berry DeMey in 1988.  But to be fair, Berry competed in the era just before enhanced bodybuilding sort of..."accelerated", which I would say happened when Dorian Yates started winning his Sandows.

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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2020, 04:01:16 AM »
A vid of Gunther Schlierkamp and his training at the famous/infamous GOLD'S GYM California training for that 2002 Olympia when he for all intents and purposes BEAT Ronnie Coleman




A time when gold’s Venice had iron plated Ivanko weights and plated dumbbells, I miss those times, I hate that they replaced it with the rubber shit that all commercial gyms use

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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2020, 04:02:12 AM »
A time when gold’s Venice had iron plated Ivanko weights and plated dumbbells, I miss those times, I hate that they replaced it with the rubber shit that all commercial gyms use

Are those the over-sized rubber dumbbells?

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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2020, 04:22:42 AM »
Are those the over-sized rubber dumbbells?

Yep, they have been using those for over a decade now, don’t understand why they would spend money to change on something that wasn’t broken, maybe they didn’t want all those noise levels of people dropping weights constantly

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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2020, 04:30:15 AM »
A vid of Gunther Schlierkamp and his training at the famous/infamous GOLD'S GYM California training for that 2002 Olympia when he for all intents and purposes BEAT Ronnie Coleman




He beat him at Show Of Strength, not the Olympia.

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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2020, 05:26:15 AM »
A good friend of mine said that Tom Prince giving Gunter the Nazi salute at the beginning showed signs of poor social skills on Tom's part [my friend is a Canadian "Neo-Nazi" like myself, but just felt that it was in poor taste].  YouTube no longer auto-populates Hitler's name when you put "hitl" as the search term because 95% of the videos about Hitler were overwhelmingly positive, as were their respective ratings, LOL.  So it's possible that Tom himself didn't buy into anti-German propaganda, and didn't think much of that salute.  Or maybe it was just socially inept.

As for Gunter - he really stepped up that year, and was 300-lb at the contest, up from [I believe] 293-lb in 2001, and 285-287 in 2000.

He also weighed 300-lb [or just over] in 2003, but his conditioning wasn't the same as it was in 2002.  It came back to that level in 2005 when he competed at 2005.  Then he had a lackluster 10th place finish in 2006, in a performance described by his trainer Charles Glass on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly [an Ironage bodybuilding podcast, before podcasts were cool] that "What happened to Gunter happened."

Then Gunter retired - possibly for health preservation reasons.  He was only 36 at the time, so I would have to assume it was health preservation reasons.  And he had just started dating Kim Lyons, and maybe he wanted to start a family.  His son Jake Schlierkamp will be turning 10 in June!  Gunter said that he will probably end up being taller than him, so I assume he has pretty good bodybuilding genetics.

Didn't see a Nazi-salute? At what time was it?
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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2020, 05:30:34 AM »
You really don’t do well in real life social settings do you man?

Look at my response to Twaddle in the “everyone racist” thread and you will see that I am in no way a leftie - but claiming to be a “neo-Nazi” is really gay. I really think that guys should be mandated to serve in the military ( real military not Canadian - you cats don’t have a Marine Corps??). It would harden you up and show you that wasting time whining about which race is best is just weak.
Fck anyone who says I have white / male privilege and the same to anyone who says ALL blacks are inferior. We’ve just become too pussified. Men bitching like women is disgusting. Fck affirmative action - that’s racist as hell - and fck black lives matter. That said - fck the praise of that greasy ass - body odor / poor hygenic / METH HEAD that was Hitler. The dude was a fagg artist that failed and so he blamed others. He MASTERED the art of communication and lead his countrymen into insanity. There is nothing about that odd lil fck to admire (other than his incredibly masterful marketing ability).

As far as the question - if you want to change your race you’re a fckn retard / pussy. Whatever race you are can NEVER hold you back. It’s our decisions and actions that make or break us. 

100% agree with your points regarding the hitler..

He was a genius in terms of his ability to speak and connect with the sentiments of the common man during the pre war period but was ultimately a total failure who destroyed a good portion of his country and people.

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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2020, 05:31:26 AM »
Gunter didn't beat ronnie or Kevin in 02 ...

5th may have been a bit harsh but no way he won.

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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2020, 05:36:08 AM »
100% agree with your points regarding the hitler..

He was a genius in terms of his ability to speak and connect with the sentiments of the common man during the pre war period but was ultimately a total failure who destroyed a good portion of his country and people.

Hitler would've been a great Getbigger if he had found the forums back in 38
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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2020, 05:45:52 AM »
Gunther was fantastic but he didn't have the goods of Ronnie. As a more general "good looking" bodybuilder he excelled of course.

On another note - if you're buying into the NeoNazi cliche then all hope is lost. Wonder why state police is often running nazi-rings? Just take a look at the NPD in Germany.
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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2020, 05:50:08 AM »
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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2020, 06:42:35 AM »
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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2020, 06:54:13 AM »
Yep, they have been using those for over a decade now, don’t understand why they would spend money to change on something that wasn’t broken, maybe they didn’t want all those noise levels of people dropping weights constantly

That's funny, because we got them here in Thunder Bay, Canada back in 2008.  At least that was when I first saw them here.

I think you are right about the noise levels associated with people dropping the plated weights - in addition to a greater chance of them being damaged.  The rubber ones can probably be dropped hundreds of times or more without sustaining any damage requiring repair.

They may be cheaper than the plated dumbbells as well - but if they had lifespans 50% longer, even paying the same price for them would be worth it.  I can't speak on price [I'm just speculating], but I'd bet money they tend to last longer.

Maybe they came out all over, just over a decade ago.  Like I said, they showed up in 2008 in my neck of the woods.

They are a bit annoying to use though.  Markus Ruhl said using the 200-lb dumbbells for flat bench is annoying because they are so over-sized.  That's basically what the rubberized dumbbells feel like starting at 100-lb, lol.  Just annoying to handle at times.  :-X

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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2020, 07:48:01 AM »
His name is not “Gunther”

His name is GUNTER

And Gunter coined the term: GUNTERMANIA


I went according to the name on the video...
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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2020, 08:12:43 AM »
Gunter had a great build. Except for all those spaghetti veins near his knee

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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2020, 07:05:59 PM »
He beat him at Show Of Strength, not the Olympia.
I was there.  He looked great.

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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2020, 07:38:49 PM »
he was the man

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Re: When Gunther Schlierkamp Beat Ronnie Coleman
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2020, 07:45:39 PM »
A vid of Gunther Schlierkamp and his training at the famous/infamous GOLD'S GYM California training for that 2002 Olympia when he for all intents and purposes BEAT Ronnie Coleman




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