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Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« on: February 04, 2020, 01:16:28 AM »
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Iowa Democratic vote-reporting meltdown hands opening to Trump
CNN ^ | Feb 4, 2020 | Analysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN
Posted on 2/4/2020, 4:01:42 AM by 11th_VA

(CNN)The Democratic 2020 crusade to oust President Donald Trump could not have got off to a more disastrous and embarrassing start.

The party couldn't even deliver a first-in-the-nation election night winner after a vote-reporting debacle in Iowa — where candidates spent months and millions of dollars vying for a glittering opening prize in their nominating duel.

"Iowa, you have shocked the nation," said former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg.

It was a bold attempt to declare victory in the absence of a result, but the 38-year-old inadvertently cast an ironic judgment on a political train wreck.

The big Hawkeye State miss will be agonizing for whoever comes out on top but for any candidates who under performed -- perhaps former Vice President Joe Biden -- it might turn into a priceless lifeline.

The caucus nightmare also played right into the hands of a President spoiling for months to brand his rivals as weak, disorganized and even worse — plotting to rig the results to hand its crown to an establishment favorite. There's little doubt that Trump, who consistently erodes distrust in institutions and governing systems, will weaponize such a narrative if it looks like he will lose in November.

Trump operatives are already spinning conspiracy theories and disinformation about what the Iowa Democratic Party said were "inconsistencies" in its results. Their aim is to create a narrative that tars the eventual nominee as illegitimate. And on the eve of his State of the Union address and two days before he's set to be acquitted in his impeachment trial, things cannot have worked out better for the President.

"It would be natural for people to doubt the fairness of the process. And these are the people who want to run our entire health care system?” ...

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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2020, 03:15:10 AM »
Apparently, they need more witnesses in Iowa, too.

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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2020, 04:54:32 AM »
Pete Buttigieg declares VICTORY in Iowa amid Democratic vote fiasco saying 'you shocked the nation' despite there being NO official results - and Bernie Sanders publishes his results claiming HE is the winner

Daily Mail UK ^ | Feb. 4, 2020 | Geoff Earle, Deputy U.s. Political Editor In Des Moines For Dailymail.com and Nikki Schwab, Senior U
Posted on 02/03/2020 10:40:33 PM




South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg declared himself the winner in Iowa after technical glitches and snafus prevented the state party from announcing any caucus results Monday night.

Buttigieg, who was hoping to get a boost out of the nation's first caucus state to drive past more seasoned rivals, went beyond any of the other Democratic presidential contenders his his caucus-night speech.

'We don't know all of the results. But we do know that by the time it's all said and done, Iowa: you have shocked the nation. Because by all indications we are going on to New Hampshire victorious,' Buttigieg told cheering supporters - in the kind of statement that might ordinarily follow a strong measure of public information.

Instead there was no official result in any form, and the Iowa Democratic Party rushed out a statement promising that they had not been hacked and would now be using paper results with a count which will stretch into daylight on Tuesday morning.

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2020, 04:59:49 AM »
Iowa official slams viral claim of suspicious voter registration activity as false
Reuters ^ | February 4, 2020 | by Elizabeth Culliford
Posted on 2/4/2020, 5:58:28

A viral claim by a conservative activist group that voter registration numbers in Iowa are suspiciously large ahead of the first U.S. presidential nominating contest on Monday is false, a senior state government official said, and called on the group to end its “misinformation campaign.”

Iowa’s Secretary of State Paul Pate, a Republican, said the claim by Washington D.C.-based group Judicial Watch that total registration numbers for caucuses in eight Iowa counties were larger than the eligible voter population had been disproven by official data.

“It’s unfortunate this organization continues to put out inaccurate data regarding voter registration, and it’s especially disconcerting they chose the day of the Iowa Caucus to do this,” Pate said in a news release posted on Twitter, criticizing their data as flawed.

“They should stop this misinformation campaign immediately.”

Judicial Watch’s Facebook post on Monday garnered 10,000 shares and, on Twitter, a tweet on Sunday from conservative student group Turning Point USA’s president Charlie Kirk sharing the same information has been retweeted more than 40,000 times.

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton called Pate’s denial of its claim “shameful.”

“It is shameful that the secretary state of Iowa would mislead Iowans and Americans about the accuracy of the state’s registration rolls,” he said in a tweet.

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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2020, 05:01:47 AM »

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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2020, 05:06:10 AM »
DES MOINES, IOWA — Joe Biden’s campaign lawyer sent an excoriating late-night letter to the chair of Iowa’s Democratic Party over Monday’s caucus meltdown demanding an explanation for the delayed results.

Dana Remus, general counsel for the Biden campaign, lashed into Iowa Democrats for “acute failures” which forced candidates to take the stage just before midnight without any official results.

“We appreciate that you plan to brief the campaigns momentarily on these issues, and we plan to participate,” Remus wrote in the letter to party chair Troy Price and executive director Kevin Geiken, first reported by NBC News.

“However, we believe that the campaigns deserve full explanations and relevant information regarding the methods of quality control you are employing, and an opportunity to respond, before any official results are released,” she continued.

The party first blamed unspecified “quality checks” for the massively delayed results before pinning the problem on “inconsistencies on the data” after using a new phone app which reportedly failed.

Results were expected to start streaming in as Iowans caucused at 7 p.m. local time, with the final results expected around 10 p.m.

But only 25 percent of Iowa’s 1,765 precincts had been collected by that point — meaning none of the campaigns could declare victory.

Des Moines County Chair Tom Courtney said an app created to report results was “a mess” and caucus organizers were reduced to having to phone in their results to state party headquarters, which was, at times, too busy to pick up.

“The app that was intended to relay Caucus results to the Party failed; the Party’s back-up telephonic reporting system likewise has failed,” Remus continued.

“In the meantime, we are on to New Hampshire, on the road to the most important election of our lifetimes,” she wrote later.

Candidates for the first time left Iowa for New Hampshire with no clear idea of who won.


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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2020, 05:15:39 AM »
Iowa official slams viral claim of suspicious voter registration activity as false
Reuters ^ | February 4, 2020 | by Elizabeth Culliford
Posted on 2/4/2020, 5:58:28

A viral claim by a conservative activist group that voter registration numbers in Iowa are suspiciously large ahead of the first U.S. presidential nominating contest on Monday is false, a senior state government official said, and called on the group to end its “misinformation campaign.”

Iowa’s Secretary of State Paul Pate, a Republican, said the claim by Washington D.C.-based group Judicial Watch that total registration numbers for caucuses in eight Iowa counties were larger than the eligible voter population had been disproven by official data.

“It’s unfortunate this organization continues to put out inaccurate data regarding voter registration, and it’s especially disconcerting they chose the day of the Iowa Caucus to do this,” Pate said in a news release posted on Twitter, criticizing their data as flawed.

“They should stop this misinformation campaign immediately.”

Judicial Watch’s Facebook post on Monday garnered 10,000 shares and, on Twitter, a tweet on Sunday from conservative student group Turning Point USA’s president Charlie Kirk sharing the same information has been retweeted more than 40,000 times.

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton called Pate’s denial of its claim “shameful.”

“It is shameful that the secretary state of Iowa would mislead Iowans and Americans about the accuracy of the state’s registration rolls,” he said in a tweet.

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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2020, 05:17:17 AM »
The Democrats Are Rigging Their Process Again
DB Daily Update ^ | David Blackmon
Posted on 2/4/2020, 7:17:51


If you believe a single word the Democrat Party is telling you about the Iowa Caucus results, please give me a call because boy, do I have a deal on some Central Texas property for you.

No, seriously, if you believe anything the Democrat Party tells you, then you certainly are buying the propaganda from the Chinese government that it, like, totally has that coronavirus awesomely under control. I know, right?

If you believe the Democrat Party today, then you no doubt believed Adam Schiff on Monday when he said that President Trump will give Alaska away to the Russians unless the Senate removes him from office. If you believe the Democrat Party today, then you were no doubt completely reassured last night when Fox News brought out former DNC Chairman Donna Brazile – who fed Hillary Clinton debate questions in advance and played a major role in rigging the party’s 2016 nominating process against Bernie Sanders – to reassure us that, hey, don’t worry, everything’s on the up and up out there in Iowa.

Folks, we are talking about counting maybe, what, 40,000 total votes here? 50,000 tops? I personally could have had it all totaled up, precinct by precinct, candidate by candidate, wrapped it and put a bow on it by about 10 p.m. CT last night using an abacus. I could have had it all done with a telephone, a pencil, a note pad and my aging brain by 10:30.

But the Democrat Party, the Party that has already clearly and unambiguously demonstrated to the world that it had no compunction whatsoever about rigging its nominating process in 2016, doing its best to rig the general election a few months later that year, and working its ass off to rig this year’s process to prevent an outright takeover by The Commie and his Marxist hordes, tells us that the whole thing fell apart last night because some smart phone app created by a company owned by Hillary Clinton operatives failed, and we’re supposed to just say, yeah, ok, you guys wouldn’t lie, would you? C’mon.

What, because a smart phone app fails, the party’s precinct chairmen are too stupid and dependent on technology that they are no longer capable of actually dialing a phone number and calling in their results? Most of these precincts only had a few dozen people show up. Maybe half of them had to count numbers into the hundreds. Only a handful had to count above 1,000.

But we’re supposed to believe that hey, a smart phone app failed, so it’s totes reasonable that nobody knows who did what this morning. Has the entire state of Iowa turned into Palm Beach and Broward County?

Or maybe the Democrat Party has now so devolved into leftist dogma that it really just wanted to create the situation we saw last night where everyone walked away with a participation trophy. We had the spectacle of no fewer than three candidates – Preacher Pete, The Commie and Lieawatha – declaring victory.

Quid Pro Joe – who by all anecdotal reports finished a poor fourth in most precincts – didn’t declare victory, but he did tell his few dozen demented followers that “we will walk away with our share” of delegates. No one knows what the Unfrozen Caveman Senator meant by that, and neither does he.

I warned you on Sunday that all the signs of this thing being rigged were out there, and here we sit this morning, with all the signs of its still being rigged having come about. It’s obvious that Party leaders didn’t like the way the actual caucus voting process went, so they are in the process of creating a final outcome that they can live with, and working hard to make sure that everyone involved fully understands the talking points before they make that outcome public. This is just how these corrupt people operate.

And hey, the DNC literally owns this nominating process, so they can rig it any way they want to. What the rest of us need to understand is that, if we keep electing Democrats to office, our general elections will be rigged in the same manner. Hell, they’ve already been able to make that happen in parts of Florida, Arizona and California. If we don’t stop them, it’s just a matter of time before the entire country is rigged.

As we watch this rigging process play itself out, everyone needs to take a moment to reflect on the fact that the people who are claiming they are incapable of counting 50,000 votes without a smart phone app are the very same people who want to be in charge of your health care. Breathtaking.

They won’t stop, until they are stopped.

That is all.

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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2020, 05:34:54 AM »
Dems Lay a Big Caucus Egg: No Results From Iowa Election
US News ^ | Feb 4, 2020 | By STEVE PEOPLES, THOMAS BEAUMONT and ALEXANDRA JAFFE, Associated Press
Posted on 02/04/2020 1:45:28 AM



DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Democratic party officials in Iowa worked furiously Tuesday to deliver the delayed results of their first-in-the-nation caucus, as frustrated presidential candidates claimed momentum and plowed ahead in their quest for the White House.

Technology problems and reporting “inconsistencies” kept Iowa Democratic Party officials from releasing results from Monday's caucus, the much-hyped kickoff to the 2020 primary. It was an embarrassing twist after months of promoting the contest as a chance for Democrats to find some clarity in a jumbled field with no clear front-runner.

Instead, caucus day ended with no winner, no official results and many fresh questions about whether Iowa can retain its coveted “first” status.

...Democrats faced the possibility that whatever numbers they ultimately released would be questioned. And beyond 2020, critics began wondering aloud whether the Iowa caucuses, a complicated set of political meetings staged in a state that is whiter and older than the Democratic Party, are a tradition whose time had past.

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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2020, 06:31:02 AM »
The clear winner of the Iowa caucuses = President Donald Trump

If Pete Buttplug is the best the Democrats have, then President Trump is going to massacre him in the debates.

Strawboy wept....

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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2020, 07:18:47 AM »
The clear winner of the Iowa caucuses = President Donald Trump

If Pete Buttplug is the best the Democrats have, then President Trump is going to massacre him in the debates.

Strawboy wept....

You knew he was gonna rub it in. Massive triggering taking place at this time:



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The Democrat Party in Iowa really messed up, but the Republican Party did not. I had the largest re-election vote in the history of that great state, by far, beating President Obama’s previous record by a lot. Also, 97% Plus of the vote! Thank you Iowa!
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When will the Democrats start blaming RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, instead of their own incompetence for the voting disaster that just happened in the Great State of Iowa?

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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2020, 07:56:59 AM »
Bernie's supporters are radicals, and the only energy in the party is the free shit army.

They are calling this what it is. Dem party will be dissolved and re-shaped into a socialist party. It's what they and the media have been asking for the last 3 years.

All old, white, working class voters are not welcome in the revolution....but they haven't figured it out yet as they are being pushed out. SAD!  ;)

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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2020, 09:31:38 AM »
WTF?  LOL...what a disaster.   :D

Story County Precinct Secretary on CNN tries to report Iowa Caucus results on air but gets hung up


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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2020, 10:38:57 AM »
Democrats are definitely deep throating a lot of caucuses this morning

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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2020, 10:40:50 AM »
Shadow Inc: The Mysterious Clinton-Linked Company Counting Iowa's Caucus Votes

The firm behind the phone app that caused delays in reporting the results of the Iowa Democratic caucus is operated by three Hillary Clinton campaign veterans.

The firm has also done business during the 2020 election cycle with Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg’s campaign.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shadow-inc-mysterious-clinton-linked-162000428.html

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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2020, 11:44:50 AM »
How great is it to see these fuckholes exposed for the incompetent boobs that they are?


This is one of those gifts that is going to keep giving when Libs talk about we’d be better off if they ran every industry.

“But you can’t even run a caucus that you’ve been preparing for three years!”

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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2020, 12:08:51 PM »
How great is it to see these fuckholes exposed for the incompetent boobs that they are?


This is one of those gifts that is going to keep giving when Libs talk about we’d be better off if they ran every industry.

“But you can’t even run a caucus that you’ve been preparing for three years!”


These are the same jerkoffs who want to run healthcare

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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2020, 12:17:59 PM »
MSNBC's Zerlina Maxwell Explains Iowa Caucus Chaos: 'Systemic Racism'
PJ Media Election 2020 ^ | 2-4-2020 | Jim Treacher
Posted on 2/4/2020, 3:15:10

If you haven't been following the news about the 2020 Iowa Democratic caucuses, I'll try to sum it up with a quote from the classic film Idiocracy: Their $#!+ is all retarded. Nobody knows what's going on. It's chaos and pandemonium. Backbiting and recriminations. They're really embarrassed themselves, and it's making them very very angry. In other words, it's absolutely marvelous. I haven't stopped smiling all day.

(snip)

MSNBC's Zerlina Maxwell... knows whose fault this fiasco is. HINT: It rhymes with "white steeple."

"Maybe I'll be the only person to say this today. The Iowa caucus is essentially the perfect example of systemic racism. 91% of the voters in Iowa are white. The reason why you see a drop in turnout -- I'm just speculating here -- it could be perhaps that white children are not in the cages. So when you're talking about the tangible pain that black and brown people are feeling, they feel a sense of urgency because their kids are being put in cages. Right? And so if you have a 91% white electorate, that sense of urgency may not be reflected in the turnout numbers. I'm not saying that's the reason for this. It could be a factor."

Maxwell isn't the only person to say this on cable news, though. CNN's Van Jones said something similar. They both claim that making Iowa the first primary state is racist, because it's predominantly white. And I know that Maxwell and Jones are correct in saying so, because I'm white and they're not. I'm not allowed to disagree with them.

So listen up, Iowa Democrats. This is your wakeup call. ... If you didn't want to get called out for your systemic racism, you shouldn't have decided to be white.

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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2020, 01:03:19 PM »
Democratic Infighting Escalates as Candidates Await Iowa Results. Fault lines deepened, and jockeying increased, as the Iowa Democratic Party said in a midday statement that it would begin to announce partial results late in the afternoon.

New York Times ^ | February 4, 2020 3:50 p.m. ET | Alexander Burns and Shane Goldmacher


DES MOINES — The top Democratic presidential candidates sparred on Tuesday with leaders of the Iowa Democratic Party, and at times with one another, in a strenuous effort to shape the terms and timing of the release of results from the presidential caucuses here.

Fault lines that emerged between the campaigns on Monday night quickly deepened on Tuesday, as several campaigns pressed the state party for a speedy and full release of the results and representatives of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. continued to criticize the legitimacy of the process.

The state party said in a midday statement that it would begin to announce partial results late in the afternoon, frustrating campaigns that feared a partial release of data would offer a misleading picture of the outcome and throw the presidential race into further disarray. Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont did not wait for Iowa officials; citing his campaign’s internal data, he all but declared victory as he waited to fly to New Hampshire.

Troy Price, the state party chairman at the center of the maelstrom, declined to lay out a timeline for completing the tabulation and releasing the results.

On a midday conference call and in other private conversations with Iowa party leaders, representatives for Mr. Sanders, former Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Ind., and Senators Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota urged local officials to provide the most complete set of results possible, and several campaign emissaries pushed for access to the paper trail that the party was using to verify returns from the caucuses.

Mr. Biden’s campaign took a more combative approach, repeatedly questioning — in public and private — the integrity of the caucuses and objecting to the party’s plans for releasing the results.

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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2020, 01:08:00 PM »
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Re: Iowa Caucuses mess for Democrats. Ha ha ha ha
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2020, 01:12:21 PM »
Iowa caucuses turnout: Entrance poll shows dip in first-timers


This year's level of new participants is well shy of that in 2008, when a whopping 57 percent of Democrats said they had never caucused before.




Feb. 3, 2020, 8:50 PM CST / Updated Feb. 3, 2020, 11:32 PM CST
By Daniel Arkin
Iowa's presidential caucuses were expected to draw record turnout Monday, but early data from the NBC News entrance poll show a big dip in participants attending a Democratic caucus for the first time.

The entrance poll showed just about a third of voters — 35 percent — caucusing this year are first-timers, a lower level than in 2016, when first-timers made up 44 percent of the Hawkeye State's Democratic caucusgoers.

And this year's level of new participants is well shy of that in 2008, when a whopping 57 percent of Democrats said they had never caucused before.

In a statement addressing a delay in results, the Iowa Democratic Party said that early data indicate turnout could eventually match that of 2016.

"What we know right now is that around 25 percent of precincts have reported, and early data indicates turnout is on pace for 2016," IDP communications director Mandy McClure said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/iowa-caucuses-turnout-entrance-poll-shows-dip-first-timers-n1129381