Are people exaggerating about the American Healthcare system or is it that bad?

[Humble Narcissist]

Exactly.  Bang on.

Check out the stats of my city anywhere online - Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada.

We are consistently the "murder capital of Canada", due solely to murders caused by Indigenous people and, more recently, Black gangs from Toronto and Ottawa.

Meanwhile, if you look at only the White homicide rate, we have roughly the same homicide rate as Denmark, sitting at under 2.0 per 100,000 population per year.

Toronto has recently exceeded New York City in terms of its homicide rate, and this is once again due to "diverse" murders.

It effects education as well.  If you take the standardized test scores of Asian Americans they are similar to Asian countries, white Americans similar to white Europeans, blacks similar to African nations.  Showing a countries average doesn't tell you much unless it is a homogeneous population.

[el numero uno]

The personal choices of Blacks and Hispanics, which result in poorer health outcomes, drastically brings down the impression of quality of the American healthcare system.

Compare that to Canada, where we have a 74% White population, and had a 96% White population in 1971, and 86% White population in 2001, and where most of the data about our healthcare system only assesses the White population.  OBVIOUSLY our results are going to look better, without a negative outcome from a massive Black and Hispanic population to drag it down.

Is there a part of these factual statements that you don't understand?

Leftist: "Oh look at the USA, which has a huge Black population.  *GASP*: OMGZ, LOOK AT HOW HIGH THE MURDER RATE IS!!!"

Person with common sense: "Yeah...the two are actually related, since young Black males are 3.5% of the American population, but commit 52% of the murder.  Young Black males actually commit more murder than the rest of the population of all other races COMBINED.  But if you take the Black population out of the picture [and Hispanic population], the USA has the same murder rate as Denmark."

Leftist: "OMGZEvilRacistWhoWants2K ill6MillionJooz!!!11"

Person with common sense: "Oh...meanwhile, I just thought I was stating facts.  Sorry!"

No one ever mentioned rankings on this thread. You brought that up and to be honest, I think it's irrelevant to the conversation.

This thread was about how American Getbiggers (and you're not one BTW) perceive their healthcare system.

Do they pay too much? Do they feel they're getting ripped off? The horror stories we hear only happen when there's no insurance? This was about this.

You want facts? You're autistic with no social skills, and are under the impression that every bad thing that's ever happened to mankind is because of non-whites.

Stop polluting my threads with your retarded thoughts.

[dearth]

healthcare in the USA is awful. just look at the illegitimate POTUS !

[mphgrove]

The minority populations may be a large factor, although Hispanic mortality and morbidity shows a pretty good picture. I don’t have statistics to back it up, but I think the poor outcomes in US relates to all racial categories. Look at West Virginia, for example or Kentucky. Very poor health outcomes in all white settings. The fast food culture, poor eating, lack of exercise syndrome crosses all racial categories in the US. But if you look at affluent white suburban population in certain parts of the country, you might get statistics comparable to Switzerland, for example.

[Powerlift66]

Its criminal what they, and the insurance companies charge people. Do Dr's need to be millionaires and live like Rock Stars?

Its a job/profession. Maybe make much more than the average since they save lives, but c'mon, ridiculous. (80.00 for an apple juice at the hospital when no insurance is involved).
Again, criminal...

Matt being called out for turning it into race, meanwhile Dearth, Straw like to turn everything into an anti-Trump thread. Like this healthcare stuff just started in 2016. Brain-dead...

Like Ghey Barry's 2.1 Billion dollar health-care website?? You know, the things that normally cost like in the thousands?? Also, pic is shopped Dearth (unlike the one's of your Ma in the Tranny bukakke vids), but nice try...

[Ropo]

Are people exaggerating about the American Healthcare system or is it that bad if you don't have insurance?

Didn't Michael Moore explain this in his movie few years back? American health care is quite  good, if you are a millionaire, or you have bullet proof insurance. All other cases it is crap, but as we know, public healthcare is pure communism. It is quite common all of the capitalistic countries all over the western world, but in the USA it is communism. Just like schools, library's, police and fire departments etc. public  funded organisations are there. It is filthy communism, period. This is what your government has told you, because health care is quite effective money machine for the elite. It makes billions and billions for the rich minority, while it leave poor people to die with no mercy at all  

[Humble Narcissist]

The minority populations may be a large factor, although Hispanic mortality and morbidity shows a pretty good picture. I don’t have statistics to back it up, but I think the poor outcomes in US relates to all racial categories. Look at West Virginia, for example or Kentucky. Very poor health outcomes in all white settings. The fast food culture, poor eating, lack of exercise syndrome crosses all racial categories in the US. But if you look at affluent white suburban population in certain parts of the country, you might get statistics comparable to Switzerland, for example.

The healthcare system is not responsible for people's poor lifestyle choices.

[SF1900]

As someone with good healthcare coverage, meaning, I won’t go broke if I need major medical procedures, it’s pretty bad. It’s criminal.

[Powerlift66]

As someone with good healthcare coverage, meaning, I won’t go broke if I need major medical procedures, it’s pretty bad. It’s criminal.

Perfect way to word it IMO for those of us w/ good insurance. ^^

[oldtimer1]

Liberals want free health care paid for by the government. The problem is the government has no money. Only the money they take from the workers. Taking money from the workers to give to the slackers is a recipe for disaster.

The way health care works in this country is that you get a good full time job. Your employer pays for health insurance. Those that don't have insurance go to the free medical clinics that are found in every city. Others go to the emergency room.

If you think government can run health care you have never been to the Motor vehicle agency in a city or haven't paid attention in the Iowa Democrat primary vote count. No one in the US runs to England or Canada when they have a severe medical problem. People from Canada and England if they have the means come here for medical attention.

This is where some liberal with a beard and metro glasses pipe in the life expectancy in Cuba is great and no one pays for medical care. The truth is they cook the stats. Very few cars so very few accidents. Cuba only shows their best hospital rooms to the world. In reality their hospitals look like third world dumps lacking in medicines and supplies.

Liberals love hearing free from Democrat candidates. Until they find out how much it will cost them from their pay checks. If you work part time with a college degree living in your mom's house then you want free everything. When the people who vote for a living out number the people that work for living this country will crash.

[Humble Narcissist]

Liberals want free health care paid for by the government. The problem is the government has no money. Only the money they take from the workers. Taking money from the workers to give to the slackers is a recipe for disaster.

The way health care works in this country is that you get a good full time job. Your employer pays for health insurance. Those that don't have insurance go to the free medical clinics that are found in every city. Others go to the emergency room.

If you think government can run health care you have never been to the Motor vehicle agency in a city or haven't paid attention in the Iowa Democrat primary vote count. No one in the US runs to England or Canada when they have a severe medical problem. People from Canada and England if they have the means come here for medical attention.

This is where some liberal with a beard and metro glasses pipe in the life expectancy in Cuba is great and no one pays for medical care. The truth is they cook the stats. Very few cars so very few accidents. Cuba only shows their best hospital rooms to the world. In reality their hospitals look like third world dumps lacking in medicines and supplies.

Liberals love hearing free from Democrat candidates. Until they find out how much it will cost them from their pay checks. If you work part time with a college degree living in your mom's house then you want free everything. When the people who vote for a living out number the people that work for living this country will crash.

Truth.

[Ropo]

Liberals want free health care paid for by the government. The problem is the government has no money. Only the money they take from the workers. Taking money from the workers to give to the slackers is a recipe for disaster.

The way health care works in this country is that you get a good full time job. Your employer pays for health insurance. Those that don't have insurance go to the free medical clinics that are found in every city. Others go to the emergency room.

If you think government can run health care you have never been to the Motor vehicle agency in a city or haven't paid attention in the Iowa Democrat primary vote count. No one in the US runs to England or Canada when they have a severe medical problem. People from Canada and England if they have the means come here for medical attention.

This is where some liberal with a beard and metro glasses pipe in the life expectancy in Cuba is great and no one pays for medical care. The truth is they cook the stats. Very few cars so very few accidents. Cuba only shows their best hospital rooms to the world. In reality their hospitals look like third world dumps lacking in medicines and supplies.

Liberals love hearing free from Democrat candidates. Until they find out how much it will cost them from their pay checks. If you work part time with a college degree living in your mom's house then you want free everything. When the people who vote for a living out number the people that work for living this country will crash.

Ok. So why so many countries have a great working public funded health care, and it is working with no problems? And before you start your rant, why USA health care system is ranked so low in comparison of list of the world best health care? There is 12 countries before it in the ranking, two shared placings, but 11th place after countries which all have public funded heath care?

Why people come to USA for the health care? Because most of the other countries you can't buy you new kidneys etc. You have to wait your turn in the waiting list, so these people want to use a ridiculous amount of money instead of waiting something, which they would have free in few years..

[IroNat]

Ok. So why so many countries have a great working public funded health care, and it is working with no problems? And before you start your rant, why USA health care system is ranked so low in comparison of list of the world best health care? There is 12 countries before it in the ranking, two shared placings, but 11th place after countries which all have public funded heath care?

Why people come to USA for the health care? Because most of the other countries you can't buy you new kidneys etc. You have to wait your turn in the waiting list, so these people want to use a ridiculous amount of money instead of waiting something, which they would have free in few years..

After they're dead.

[oldgolds]

Ok. So why so many countries have a great working public funded health care, and it is working with no problems? And before you start your rant, why USA health care system is ranked so low in comparison of list of the world best health care? There is 12 countries before it in the ranking, two shared placings, but 11th place after countries which all have public funded heath care?

Why people come to USA for the health care? Because most of the other countries you can't buy you new kidneys etc. You have to wait your turn in the waiting list, so these people want to use a ridiculous amount of money instead of waiting something, which they would have free in few years..

Did you read the previous posts?   Obviously not...

[Atlas pump]

How can ot be as bad as people say when the top health care and innovations usually STEM from the usa?

Google top hospitals in the wod. Most are from gods country!

[IroNat]

The quality of healthcare in the USA is excellent.

But it's expensive and you must have insurance or be wealthy enough to pay yourself.

The destitute go to the emergency room or free clinics.

There are also free medical services provided by Medicare for poor people in some states.

Someone in the middle class without health insurance who goes to a hospital will probably go bankrupt.

[IroNat]

Patients Stuck With Bills After Insurers Don’t Pay As Promised

https://khn.org/news/prior-authorization-revoked-patients-stuck-with-bills-after-insurers-dont-pay-as-promised/

"The more than $34,000 in medical bills that contributed to Darla and Andy Markley’s bankruptcy and loss of their home in Beloit, Wisconsin, grew out of what felt like a broken promise."

[Thin Lizzy]

The American system is bad but not for the reason Canadians, Europeans, &
leftists think.

The primary feature of the American system is Employer Based Healthcare.

This did not come from the free market but from a world war 2 price control intervention which capped employee wages. As a workaround employers started offering healthcare as part of the wage package. This was then made non taxable.

Eventually healthcare costs started rising as consumers had no incentive to shop price and providers had no incentive to provide cheap healthcare.

Employer based healthcare is also a low grade form of slavery as your access to healthcare is dependent on your employer, “Job Lock.”

This abomination also created the need for the now bankrupt Medicare system as retired people couldn’t afford healthcare.

To really fix the system you have to gut it and start from scratch. The Republicans don’t have the stomach for it, and the Dems want single payer. So, we’re gonna keep trudging along with this piss poor inefficient system.

[GymnJuice]

Outcomes are skewed because Americans are fat and lazy. The best healthcare system in the world won't help prevent diabetes, heart disease, and strokes if everyone is eating McDonalds and donuts and watching the Kardashians on TV all day long instead of exercising.

[mphgrove]

The American system is bad but not for the reason Canadians, Europeans, &
leftists think.

The primary feature of the American system is Employer Based Healthcare.

This did not come from the free market but from a world war 2 price control intervention which capped employee wages. As a workaround employers started offering healthcare as part of the wage package. This was then made non taxable.

Eventually healthcare costs started rising as consumers had no incentive to shop price and providers had no incentive to provide cheap healthcare.

Employer based healthcare is also a low grade form of slavery as your access to healthcare is dependent on your employer, “Job Lock.”

This abomination also created the need for the now bankrupt Medicare system as retired people couldn’t afford healthcare.

To really fix the system you have to gut it and start from scratch. The Republicans don’t have the stomach for it, and the Dems want single payer. So, we’re gonna keep trudging along with this piss poor inefficient system.

I agree with the statements above. There is not much will to do away with employer based health care even though it creates exactly the anxiety producing “job lock” discussed above. So we will limp along with trying to prop up Obamacare and keep putting the poorest on Medicaid to plug the holes. Obamacare got our uninsured rate down from about 15 percent to 8 percent which is still embarrassing for a developed nation, the richest nation on the planet.

Here is the political reality:
1. Most Americans remain pretty stuck on their employer based coverage despite all the anxiety and costs involved
2. Republicans have offered ZERO solutions other than grandstanding
3. Democrats are torn between continuing to prop up Obamacare or gutting the whole thing and ushering in Medicare For All (which means government financed BUT NOT government provided care. Note: there is no stomach at all in the US for the government actually providing the care because we are too libertarian and, no matter what we may hear about the UK or Canada, etc., we do not believe our own government would do a good job of that).

So we limp along. But keep in mind we still have the most advanced medicine in the world and, as with social media, the majority of medical advancements come from the US.

[epic is back]

its actually worse to have insurance than to have it.

if you pay cash you find out really fast they flat out make up the prices

pay with insurance for mri  5200 insurance pays all if you meet deductable 4500  it used to be 500 prior to obozo care

leaves you paying 700

if you pay cash its 800

i had a nurse tell me under her breath if i paid cash im much better off

bozo obummer ruined things big time

biggest welfare increase ever

[IroNat]

Follow up:

My sister died a couple months ago.

Not of heart failure but cancer.

[mphgrove]

its actually worse to have insurance than to have it.

if you pay cash you find out really fast the flat out make up the prices

pay with insurance for mri  5200 insurance pays all if you meet deductable 4500  it used to be 500 prior to obozo care

leaves you paying 700

if you pay cash its 800

i had a nurse tell me under her breath if i paid cash im much better off

bozo obummer ruined things big time

biggest welfare increase ever

Well, the only problem is that having no insurance at all is a one way ticket to bankruptcy if you get into a serious medical situation unless you are already so poor that you are on Medicaid. For example, a $300,000 hospital bill can bankrupt you even if they give you a break and charge you $80,000. Obama’s legislation greatly reduced the occurrence of that type of bankruptcy. But I will agree with you on one point. Despite all the “provider contracting” and negotiation between employers and insurance companies and hospitals and doctors, all three parties actually conspire to keep high levels of money flowing to those involved. Even the employees more or less go along with it.

[epic is back]

one way ticket to banktupcy eh

you actuually believe that?

if im a poor person i get everything free

if im
illegal my bill is zero

baby is born free

indigent= free ride

i pay cash and dont worry about catastrophe

you sound like a insurance salesman

[Thin Lizzy]

At this point there are no good solutions. IMO the path of least resistance would be single payer which would inevitably collapse. Then, a true free market system could be instituted.