Someone please explain what makes Robert Kennedy an authority?

[Roast Beef Pecs]

Where did this guy come from and why has he written hundreds of bodybuilding books? Does he even lift??

[obsidian]

He was a business man first who saw an opportunity to make money. I've seen photos of him where he was in shape and lifted weights. He is more a Weider type. Not a huge bodybuilder but a business man. Anyway he died in 2012 as I am sure everyone knows - bing / google is your friend!

His second wife is a certified cougar. Raw no pulling out - would hit!

[BB]

He had contact with lots of bodybuilders from the early middle years of the hobby - onward, and that work as a writer and archivist makes him a expert. His level of expertise is the same as Weider, Hoffman, and many other writers of the era, etc....

The pictures are hard to find, but he had a decent physique at one time too.

[Matt]

Apparently his son was in a pretty major accident, and later passed away.  Sad stuff.

Getbig's own Fortress worked for Bob Kennedy back in the day - he wrote many articles for Bob's flagship magazine MUSCLEMAG, during bodybuilding's coveted Ironage.

Bob himself felt that the Ironage was the best era in bodybuilding - with bodybuilders taking too much "Vitamin S" in more recent times.

Also, little known fact about Bob - he never wrote any articles on a computer or laptop, or any other electronic device.  He would write all of his articles in longhand, on office paper, and one of his employees of his bodybuilding publishing empire would transcribe the handwritten articles to electronic text, for publication.

RIP Bodybuilding Media Mogul and Ironage Bodybuilding Publishing Icon Robert Kennedy [1938-2012]

[BB]

The Physiques of The Muscle Publishers -


Kennedy -

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Arthur Jones -

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Hoffman -

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Peary Rader -

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John Balik -

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Weider -

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Doesn't include guys like Park, Lurie, etc.... that were pros first.

[Roast Beef Pecs]

The Physiques of The Muscle Publishers -


Kennedy -

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Arthur Jones -

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Hoffman -

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Peary Rader -

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John Balik -

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Weider -

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Doesn't include guys like Park, Lurie, etc.... that were pros first.

Amazing that Arthur Jones convinced anybody that he knew anything about bodybuilding and lifting. The man was a puny runt.

[Matt]

Ironage bodybuilding publishing empire media mogul Dan Lurie!

Dan Lurie was the AAU Most Muscular Man in America from 1942 through to 1944.

I like what Lurie mentions in this video how even though Joe Weider had more financial success than he did, that Lurie wouldn't trade his family for any of that wealth.  Lurie mentions in the video how he had five children, 15 grandchildren, and six great-grandchildren!

Meanwhile, Joe Weider had a nephew. 

There's no way that I would trade a brood of kids and descendants that size for a quarter of a billion dollars or whatever bodybuilding media mogul Joe Weider was worth by the time he died in 2013.

Family is everything to me.  Fatherhood made everything else in my life seem insignificant.  There is nothing I would place higher than family and fatherhood.

[Fortress]

Bob was a clever, creative, charismatic, unique, and knowing man.

He had forgotten more about the culture of bodybuilding than the next thousand “kill it” commandos will ever know.

Bob was my friend.

RIP

[Roast Beef Pecs]

Bob was a clever, creative, charismatic, unique, and knowing man.

He had forgotten more about the culture of bodybuilding than the next thousand “kill it” commandos will ever know.

Bob was my friend.

RIP

Always a little weird when a guy who doesn't really work out is so "knowledgeable" about bodybuilding. Lonnie Teper also comes to mind

[oldtimer1]

That was the best picture of Arthur Jones I've have seen. The majority of his life he seemed to weight under 150lbs. Kennedy was a smart guy regarding training. Sometimes the best coaches can't be the champ but they know how to get there through their empirical life experience.

A question was asked of Kennedy about intensity training. I don't want to put words in his mouth but he said in effect one set to failure will get you the majority of benefit from that one set. Having said that he said multiple sets are better. He said each addition set was better than one set but in diminishing returns. I get what he was trying to convey.  One set to failure might get you 80% returns. A second set another 5%. a third another 4% and so on.  I don't think he was talking in concrete terms but in theory. 

Sometimes the best training advice isn't the guy that was a natural muscular 200lbs guy in high school that with training in college was 220lbs then started using steroids and became a monster. Sometimes the best advice comes from a guy that was 145lbs as a high school senior then became a decent physique at 180lbs naturally and continued to have a good physique for many decades training naturally. Show me a 65 year old guy with a great natural body and I will listen to what he has to say about training over the guy with temporary drug muscles.

[Matt]

Always a little weird when a guy who doesn't really work out is so "knowledgeable" about bodybuilding. Lonnie Teper also comes to mind

Lonnie Teper is a knowledgeable guy, but to be fair to Robert Kennedy - there are photos of him where he was in shape.  To my knowledge, there are no such photos of Lonnie Teper ever being in shape.

Peter McGough and Wayne DeMilia had both been talked about in terms of two guys who were not in shape, but photos emerged of both of these Ironage bodybuilding experts having previously been in shape.

I can't speak for Lonnie Teper - I have never personally seen photos of Lonnie in shape, but perhaps one of Getbig's Ironage members has, and is able to share.

[harmankardon1]

Any pics of Peter mcgough in shape matt??

It's hard for me to even imagine lol.

[galain]

That was the best picture of Arthur Jones I've have seen. The majority of his life he seemed to weight under 150lbs. Kennedy was a smart guy regarding training. Sometimes the best coaches can't be the champ but they know how to get there through their empirical life experience.

A question was asked of Kennedy about intensity training. I don't want to put words in his mouth but he said in effect one set to failure will get you the majority of benefit from that one set. Having said that he said multiple sets are better. He said each addition set was better than one set but in diminishing returns. I get what he was trying to convey.  One set to failure might get you 80% returns. A second set another 5%. a third another 4% and so on.  I don't think he was talking in concrete terms but in theory. 

Sometimes the best training advice isn't the guy that was a natural muscular 200lbs guy in high school that with training in college was 220lbs then started using steroids and became a monster. Sometimes the best advice comes from a guy that was 145lbs as a high school senior then became a decent physique at 180lbs naturally and continued to have a good physique for many decades training naturally. Show me a 65 year old guy with a great natural body and I will listen to what he has to say about training over the guy with temporary drug muscles.

Nicely said. I've often thought Boyer Coe would be the man to ask about ab training. He didn't have much ab development but I guarantee he tried everything.

Musclemag was always a good read - bit more 'gossipy' than Flex or Ironman. I enjoyed it until it sold it's soul to Muscletech.

If I remember rightly, Robert Kennedy was a guy who heavily pushed the 'beach body' look' over the monster bodybuilder.

[Royalty]

He had knowledge. He was interesting.


Something that today’s bodybuilding ‘experts’ lack. Today’s experts sit around and talk about different drugs all day. The only people that they impress are delusional morons.

[keanu]

   Kennedy was an art teacher who lived his passion for bodybuilding. He started Musclemag on a wing and a prayer, inviting Gino and his family to join him. They made a hell of a team. Both trained hard regularly with weights and did cardio. He was into the lean beach body look. Both trained with most of the champs including the likes of Sergio, Arnold, and Franco. Boh trained with top trainers like Vince Gironda. He wasn't a huge fan of the drug culture but always seemed to appreciate the size of the all drugs guys, wrestlers and other athletes who regularly visited Musclemag. He sure loved staring at the asses and boobs of the fitness models!

  Robert had a heart of gold. A man of his word. Invited many of his staff to his home for gatherings. Things were going great for him until the internet came along. From there Bob's luck in life turned sour. A car accident resulted in terrible injuries to his young son. He was a vegetable with round the clock care after that. Many of the staff remember him running around as a young kid at Kennedy's parties. So sad. Following the accident, Kennedy's wife killed herself. As time passed Musclemag became Muscletech mag as the dominant advertiser controlled the magazine. Musclemag began shilling for Muscletech. The combination of the three took a toll on him. I miss Rob, and Gino. I miss those days.

[pellius]

Amazing that Arthur Jones convinced anybody that he knew anything about bodybuilding and lifting. The man was a puny runt.

I know. Mike Mentzer and Dorian Yates were suckers.

And Freddie Roach and Cus D'Amato couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag.

[joswift]

I know. Mike Mentzer and Dorian Yates were suckers.

And Freddie Roach and Cus D'Amato couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag.

Freddie Roach used to be a decent fighter...

[Matt]

Any pics of Peter mcgough in shape matt??

It's hard for me to even imagine lol.

It took me FOREVER to find these Ironage photos, LOL.  I recalled the first photo, of Peter doing barbell biceps curls, being posted on the boards at some point in the past 5-10+ years [not sure when exactly], and that is the Ironage photo of Peter that I was looking for.  I had never seen the second Ironage photo though.

pellius' post about Freddie Roach was the latest post in this thread when I started searching for these photos, and I found them under 10 minutes ago - so it looks like I may have spent over 40 minutes searching for them.  

So, without further adieu [LOL], here are two Ironage photos of bodybuilding journalist, Peter McGough - it is pretty clear from the first photo that Peter was in very good shape at some point in his life, and for some portion of his life...as of today, he is battling cancer, which would make adherence to a bodybuilding "regime" not only unproductive, but potentially dangerous.  Perhaps light cardio or something similar, would be good for Peter.  I suspect his doctor is advising him in this capacity.

On that note, Ronnie Coleman should probably be on the same program.

Ironage Peter McGough - in shape:

[pellius]

Freddie Roach used to be a decent fighter...

What about Cus?

Andy Reid, head coach for the Super Bowl victors, never played a day of pro ball.

[Royalty]

It took me FOREVER to find these Ironage photos, LOL.  I recalled the first photo, of Peter doing barbell biceps curls, being posted on the boards at some point in the past 5-10+ years [not sure when exactly], and that is the Ironage photo of Peter that I was looking for.  I had never seen the second Ironage photo though.

So, without further adieu [LOL], here are two Ironage photos of bodybuilding journalist, Peter McGough:

I’ve seen the 1st pic. But I also never saw the 2nd pic until just now.


You won’t find any such pics of Teper. The only pics you’ll find is Teper making goofy faces in the gym. Apparently he thinks that he is funny.

[Matt]

I’ve seen the 1st pic. But I also never saw the 2nd pic until just now.


You won’t find any such pics of Teper. The only pics you’ll find is Teper making goofy faces in the gym. Apparently he thinks that he is funny.

Just FYI, I edited my post that you quoted, from what you quoted, to this:

So, without further adieu [LOL], here are two Ironage photos of bodybuilding journalist, Peter McGough - it is pretty clear from the first photo that Peter was in very good shape at some point in his life, and for some portion of his life...as of today, he is battling cancer, which would make adherence to a bodybuilding "regime" not only unproductive, but potentially dangerous.  Perhaps light cardio or something similar, would be good for Peter.  I suspect his doctor is advising him in this capacity.

On that note, Ronnie Coleman should probably be on the same program.

Ironage Peter McGough - in shape:

I just felt it was fair to point out that McGough is battling cancer right now, and can't be expected to be following bodybuilding at any high level - or even at a serious level as a natural lifter.  Bodybuilding isn't "going to war" or "battling", but to beat cancer is quite a battle, and I wish McGough the best in his endeavour to do so.

McGough was the first one to release the news that Johnnie O. Jackson's doctor found a tumor on his lung.  This was around Spring of 2017, if my memory serves me.  I don't know how Jackson has been doing since receiving that diagnosis, but I hope that he too has beaten cancer.

Awful disease.

Also, Royalty - you are right about finding no such photos of Lonnie Teper in shape online.

None, to my knowledge, have surfaced.

This leads me to believe that Teper only follows the bodybuilding world because he is a bender.  Most likely, he is attracted to men, and follows bodybuilding for that reason - just as a sexual turn-on, and not for any other reason.

I could be wrong - but why else would someone who appears to have never worked out a day in his life [and possibly HAS NEVER worked out a day in his life] like bodybuilding so much?  My guess is that that is because Lonnie Teper is a bender, but I could be wrong on that, and anyone else is welcome to chime in and let me know if I'm wrong there.

[joswift]

What about Cus?

Andy Reid, head coach for the Super Bowl victors, never played a day of pro ball.

they know how to manage people and motivate them, as long as the people they work with have the skill and desire then they are a winning combination.

[joswift]

Kennedy had everything except genetics

There are guys at our gym who take boatloads of gear, eat like a champion train like maniacs yet look like shit..
Other people breeze through training, eat what they like and take next to nothing and blow them out the water..

[Kwon]

Where did this guy come from and why has he written hundreds of bodybuilding books? Does he even lift??

He was a rich businessman


Just like our own Ron Avidan, he was before his time.

A genius, a guru, a swami.

[Matt]

they know how to manage people and motivate them, as long as the people they work with have the skill and desire then they are a winning combination.

My friend told me that Wayne Gretzky was a bad hockey coach because his eye and mind for the game were so sharp, that he couldn't teach his ability to other pro hockey players.  I don't know if that is true, but I do recall hearing elsewhere that he was not great as a hockey coach.

Funny about the bodybuilding world - it seems like the "formula" for success is to start coaching some good clients who are already on the way up, and then, once they turn pro, you get "credit" for having coached someone who turned pro, even though that person was likely going to turn pro anyway.

I know that George Farah was coaching Jeff Long when he turned pro around a decade ago, and he started working with him when he was already competing in pro qualifiers.  Next thing you know, Jeff Long [or another top amateur] turns pro, and then Farah gets a reputation as being a Pro Maker.  In fact, wasn't Hany Rambod's nickname "The Pro Maker"?

So basically, you "coach" a handful of guys who are already coming up, and you offer them a good deal initially, and then by the time they turn pro, you get credit for having helped a handful of guys getting their pro cards, when that was just inevitable anyway.

Then other amateurs and bodybuilding enthusiasts see you as being a guru of sorts, and then more come to you, and you build up a clientele by rinsing/repeating the above formula of working with guys on the verge of acquiring pro status anyway, and it becomes sort of self-fulfilling, eventually with a big enough lineup of guys that you helped to advertise for you.

Am I missing something here?

Also, what is the education required to be a "diet guru"?  Do either Hany Rambod or George Farah have a specific education in nutrition or "bodybuilding science"?

Remember that Tom Platz posted online that he was a "Professor of Bodybuilding Sciences". 

I love bodybuilding...but what an odd industry at times.