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« on: May 15, 2015, 10:58:03 PM »

I was watching the movie "Footloose" and thought of this question:

What is your opinion on Christian (or any other religious denomination) Rock music? My best friends brother (lets call him Joe) and wife are crazy religious. I mean, they make you and tbombz look normal when it comes to religion (no offense). They are so crazy, that they were going to move to the same state to be closer to their "leader." I forgot which religious sect they are.

Anyway, Joe and his family belonged to some church. I don't know the details, but there was a discussion about using Christian rock music to promote their religion (lets pretend they are christian, because I forgot which religious sect they belong to). The priest/pastor/minister (whatever he was) was highly against this. I guess he considered this "blasphemy." Joe was totally for christian rock music. He said as long as it praised God, its just fine. He said this is a good way to get teens into christianity. As long as the rock music praised God and Jesus, then that is what mattered. I believe Joe thought the priest was out of touch with today's times. Joe is about 40 years old. The priest was very old. Joe wound up leaving the church for another one.

Tdongz and MOS, would you be okay with Christian "rock" music? Using instruments to praise God? If God is in our hearts and mind, then clearly He has imbued himself into those who can play instruments to express themselves. Why give someone the beautiful gift of music (being able to play drums and guitar), yet not allow that person to express their love of God via music? It would seem counter-intuitive to give someone the gift of music, yet expect them to suppress it. Dancing and singing and praising the Lord!! I think Tbombz and MOS should start a christian rock group.  Cheesy Grin

In the movie "Footloose" Kevin Bacon (Ren) states:

"From the oldest of times, people danced for a number of reasons. They danced in prayer... or so that their crops would be plentiful... or so their hunt would be good. And they danced to stay physically fit... and show their community spirit. And they danced to celebrate."

Psalm 149 "Praise ye the Lord. Sing unto the Lord a new song. Let them praise His name in the dance"?

"Wearing a linen ephod, David was dancing before the LORD with all his might."
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2015, 06:06:09 AM »

I have no problem with Christian rock music.   It's not a favorite of mine though.

I have no problem with some secular music either.  That "some" isn't God-centered but it isn't anti-God either.

I'm simple. ...if something is offensive or offputting I don't listen.   Majority of the time I'm listening to CCM or gospel music cause I enjoy it.

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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2015, 08:03:47 AM »

I have no problem with Christian rock music.   It's not a favorite of mine though.

I have no problem with some secular music either.  That "some" isn't God-centered but it isn't anti-God either.

I'm simple. ...if something is offensive or offputting I don't listen.   Majority of the time I'm listening to CCM or gospel music cause I enjoy it.



Why do you think this priest had such a problem with Christian Rock music?  Huh
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2015, 11:44:22 AM »

I have no problem with Christian rock music.   It's not a favorite of mine though.

I have no problem with some secular music either.  That "some" isn't God-centered but it isn't anti-God either.

I'm simple. ...if something is offensive or offputting I don't listen.   Majority of the time I'm listening to CCM or gospel music cause I enjoy it.



MOS, which "secular" music/bands do you like? Slayer? Black Sabbath?  Grin Grin
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2015, 06:35:12 AM »

Why do you think this priest had such a problem with Christian Rock music?  Huh

Some folks think it's a gateway to something sinful.....too much blending and indulgence of the secular world.

Scripture tells us to make a joyful noise unto the Lord....why can't Christian rock be that joyful noise?

Some just don't like the term "rock".  There was a terrific youth group at a church I used to belong called "Solid Rock" but elders objected to the word "Rock" and wanted to call it "Solid Ground".  Ignorant folks IMHO.  Christ himself nicknamed his apostle Simon as Peter which means "rock".  Christ also referred to himself as the rock upon which the church would be built.  He nicknamed his apostles James and John the "Sons of Thunder".  Sounds pretty 80s hairband LOL,  but it's not.

I don't know. ...some folks think whatever they do.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2015, 06:48:41 AM »

MOS, which "secular" music/bands do you like? Slayer? Black Sabbath?  Grin Grin

I grew up on Metallica but I'm from South Texas so that's pronounced TALLICA (with a bad mexican accent)!!!!!  From Kill Em All to Black albums I was faithful.  I still know every word of Kill, Lightning, Puppets, Justice and Black  LOL.

AC/DC, Sabbath, GnR, Pantera, 80s hairbands, Lynyrd Skynyrd and later Nirvana, STP, Pearl Jam, etc...were all part of the mix tapes.

Today I just want to glorify God because of the change he made in me.
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2015, 01:14:26 PM »

I grew up on Metallica but I'm from South Texas so that's pronounced TALLICA (with a bad mexican accent)!!!!!  From Kill Em All to Black albums I was faithful.  I still know every word of Kill, Lightning, Puppets, Justice and Black  LOL.

AC/DC, Sabbath, GnR, Pantera, 80s hairbands, Lynyrd Skynyrd and later Nirvana, STP, Pearl Jam, etc...were all part of the mix tapes.

Today I just want to glorify God because of the change he made in me.

Okay, but you didn't answer which secular bands you now listen. The above bands were in the past. Which do you listen to NOW? You said there were still a few.
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2015, 09:33:43 PM »

Okay, but you didn't answer which secular bands you now listen. The above bands were in the past. Which do you listen to NOW? You said there were still a few.

Nothing of today's secular music interests me.....an occassional song does.

I primarily listen to CCM and gospel.   Top40, today's rock, country, etc I don't follow.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2015, 09:45:35 PM »

Nothing of today's secular music interests me.....an occassional song does.

I primarily listen to CCM and gospel.   Top40, today's rock, country, etc I don't follow.

Whats wrong with Neal Diamond?  Cry Cry
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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2015, 07:58:19 AM »

Whats wrong with Neal Diamond?  Cry Cry

I get my "Sweet Caroline" or "September Morn" on once in awhile!

Couple of weeks ago I listened to nothing but Christopher Cross.  Sometimes I listen to nothing but Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder.

A couples month ago I listened to Stevie Ray Vaughn everyday for hours.

My wife and daughter keep me completely in touch with all things Taylor Swift so I know he current albums backwards and fowards LOL.
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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2015, 12:28:22 PM »

I get my "Sweet Caroline" or "September Morn" on once in awhile!

Couple of weeks ago I listened to nothing but Christopher Cross.  Sometimes I listen to nothing but Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder.

A couples month ago I listened to Stevie Ray Vaughn everyday for hours.

My wife and daughter keep me completely in touch with all things Taylor Swift so I know he current albums backwards and fowards LOL.

What would you do if your children or wife or friends were listening to Heavy Metal or Rock music?
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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2015, 07:10:46 AM »

What would you do if your children or wife or friends were listening to Heavy Metal or Rock music?

Couple of my friends from years past are still huge metalheads.  I used to go see Metallica or King Diamond with them, but today things are different.

They're grown men now so they do their own thing.  They're more turned off today that I'm a family man.

My wife used to go to concerts with me and she used to love Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails and Tool, but she doesn't listen to it today.  Today her favorite secular band is U2.

My musical tastes have been very broad.  From metal, to rock, to top 40, to soft rock, bluegrass, blues, big band, straight up jazz, funk, country, classical, orchestral, CCM and gospel.   Probably the only form of music that never resonated with me was reggae....don't hate it, but don't listen either.

Even during my metal years my favorite artist is still a Canadian born jazz musician (trumpet player) named Maynard Ferguson.  I own about 70 of his albums, saw him many times over 20 years and met him a couple of times.  Love his music from the 30s and 40s with the Stan Kenton big band up until he passed away in August 2006 with his Big Bop Noveau band.

There is no "what if" scenario for my wife....that time has come and gone.....her adult preferences are cemented.  My daughter, on the other hand, is very young today and from me she gets exposure to CCM and gospel and she loves a lot of it.  From her mother she gets CCM, some top 40 and country.  

She'll make her own choices as she gets older, but she'll also know exactly where Mommy and Daddy stand.

[the underlined points above will be the initial foundation for the "brainwashing" charge later on]

********  Here's the shift in this topic.....this is where "the trap" is set based upon my next expected comments  ********   Smiley Smiley

Now there will be no occult or Satanic music in my house though (whatever that entails)....still my house LOL.  If she happens to want to indulge in that stuff she'll do it outside of the house.

I'll raise her in a Christian environment, but ultimately she'll make her own choices about everything and as she matures will work through those choices like each of us do. If she needs help she's got it.

The difference will be that when the she comes with questions about religion, the bible and God that her Daddy will be different from other parents in that he won't give her a "deer in the headlights" expression and stammer ignorantly with "uhhhhh.....uhhhhhh.....u hhhhhh" when she asks "tough bible questions" that she learned herself or were taught by others.  I'll answer questions, walk her through scripture, walk her through theology and present the other side of the coin....as best I'm able.  I won't do what so many other parents do and toss out a casual "you gotta have more faith" or "ask the teacher in Sunday school".....she'll get a confident, direct response from her Dad.   Wink

[the underlined points above will be the secondary foundation for the later argument about brainwashing and challenging "I thought she could make her own choices"]

********  Here's the breaking point of things....the shift in topic if you will......already knew exactly where this was headed  ********   Smiley Smiley

Now, I know you want me to give my daughter no religious influence whatsoever and allow her to discover all things on her own.  Keep her a blank slate in that regard so that her choices to be religious or not religious are completely her own and "uncorrupted" by her religious-nutter parents because "religion and theism is the most divisive, dangerous position on earth".  If me and her mother go to church that's fine, but don't take her with us....find her a non-religious alternative.  If she later decides on her own to go to church then fine, but only then.

That isn't going to happen LOL.  

To which you'll respond, "So you're comfortable brainwashing your child with religious nonsense and aren't really giving her a choice.  Some parent you are.......etc."  Some version of that, but more drawn out.

Everything I said previously about letting her makes her own choices will be tossed out and the word "influence" will be translated into "brainwashing".  References to bizarre, fundamentalist religious camps with children weeping aloud to God will occur.  More generalizations and offtopic comments about my "religious nuttery" will be casually tossed out in red herring fashion.  All manner of "what if" circumstances will potentially be laid out and referenced as the truth of the matter going forward.

I'll refer you back to my original posts, but it won't matter.  This would go on back and forth for several cycles.  Me saying the same thing and you telling me why I'm wrong, a bad parent, a brainwasher of children, a religious tyrant forcing my beliefs on children.  At this stage the scope of my "brainwashing" will have shifted from just my daughter to a generalization of ALL children I encounter....I'll be the "religious boogeyman" LOL.  

It will literally follow something very close to this.  And all this because of tastes in music.

There it's been nipped in the bud.  Wink
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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2015, 11:14:46 AM »

Couple of my friends from years past are still huge metalheads.  I used to go see Metallica or King Diamond with them, but today things are different.

They're grown men now so they do their own thing.  They're more turned off today that I'm a family man.

My wife used to go to concerts with me and she used to love Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails and Tool, but she doesn't listen to it today.  Today her favorite secular band is U2.

My musical tastes have been very broad.  From metal, to rock, to top 40, to soft rock, bluegrass, blues, big band, straight up jazz, funk, country, classical, orchestral, CCM and gospel.   Probably the only form of music that never resonated with me was reggae....don't hate it, but don't listen either.

Even during my metal years my favorite artist is still a Canadian born jazz musician (trumpet player) named Maynard Ferguson.  I own about 70 of his albums, saw him many times over 20 years and met him a couple of times.  Love his music from the 30s and 40s with the Stan Kenton big band up until he passed away in August 2006 with his Big Bop Noveau band.

There is no "what if" scenario for my wife....that time has come and gone.....her adult preferences are cemented.  My daughter, on the other hand, is very young today and from me she gets exposure to CCM and gospel and she loves a lot of it.  From her mother she gets CCM, some top 40 and country. 

She'll make her own choices as she gets older, but she'll also know exactly where Mommy and Daddy stand.

[the underlined points above will be the initial foundation for the "brainwashing" charge later on]

********  Here's the shift in this topic.....this is where "the trap" is set based upon my next expected comments  ********   Smiley Smiley

Now there will be no occult or Satanic music in my house though (whatever that entails)....still my house LOL.  If she happens to want to indulge in that stuff she'll do it outside of the house.

I'll raise her in a Christian environment, but ultimately she'll make her own choices about everything and as she matures will work through those choices like each of us do. If she needs help she's got it.

The difference will be that when the she comes with questions about religion, the bible and God that her Daddy will be different from other parents in that he won't give her a "deer in the headlights" expression and stammer ignorantly with "uhhhhh.....uhhhhhh.....u hhhhhh" when she asks "tough bible questions" that she learned herself or were taught by others.  I'll answer questions, walk her through scripture, walk her through theology and present the other side of the coin....as best I'm able.  I won't do what so many other parents do and toss out a casual "you gotta have more faith" or "ask the teacher in Sunday school".....she'll get a confident, direct response from her Dad.   Wink

[the underlined points above will be the secondary foundation for the later argument about brainwashing and challenging "I thought she could make her own choices"]

********  Here's the breaking point of things....the shift in topic if you will......already knew exactly where this was headed  ********   Smiley Smiley

Now, I know you want me to give my daughter no religious influence whatsoever and allow her to discover all things on her own.  Keep her a blank slate in that regard so that her choices to be religious or not religious are completely her own and "uncorrupted" by her religious-nutter parents because "religion and theism is the most divisive, dangerous position on earth".  If me and her mother go to church that's fine, but don't take her with us....find her a non-religious alternative.  If she later decides on her own to go to church then fine, but only then.

That isn't going to happen LOL. 

To which you'll respond, "So you're comfortable brainwashing your child with religious nonsense and aren't really giving her a choice.  Some parent you are.......etc."  Some version of that, but more drawn out.

Everything I said previously about letting her makes her own choices will be tossed out and the word "influence" will be translated into "brainwashing".  References to bizarre, fundamentalist religious camps with children weeping aloud to God will occur.  More generalizations and offtopic comments about my "religious nuttery" will be casually tossed out in red herring fashion.  All manner of "what if" circumstances will potentially be laid out and referenced as the truth of the matter going forward.

I'll refer you back to my original posts, but it won't matter.  This would go on back and forth for several cycles.  Me saying the same thing and you telling me why I'm wrong, a bad parent, a brainwasher of children, a religious tyrant forcing my beliefs on children.  At this stage the scope of my "brainwashing" will have shifted from just my daughter to a generalization of ALL children I encounter....I'll be the "religious boogeyman" LOL.   

It will literally follow something very close to this.  And all this because of tastes in music.

There it's been nipped in the bud.  Wink

Sorry, feeling saucy today!   Wink
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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2015, 09:50:17 PM »

Couple of my friends from years past are still huge metalheads.  I used to go see Metallica or King Diamond with them, but today things are different.

They're grown men now so they do their own thing.  They're more turned off today that I'm a family man.

My wife used to go to concerts with me and she used to love Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails and Tool, but she doesn't listen to it today.  Today her favorite secular band is U2.

My musical tastes have been very broad.  From metal, to rock, to top 40, to soft rock, bluegrass, blues, big band, straight up jazz, funk, country, classical, orchestral, CCM and gospel.   Probably the only form of music that never resonated with me was reggae....don't hate it, but don't listen either.

Even during my metal years my favorite artist is still a Canadian born jazz musician (trumpet player) named Maynard Ferguson.  I own about 70 of his albums, saw him many times over 20 years and met him a couple of times.  Love his music from the 30s and 40s with the Stan Kenton big band up until he passed away in August 2006 with his Big Bop Noveau band.

There is no "what if" scenario for my wife....that time has come and gone.....her adult preferences are cemented.  My daughter, on the other hand, is very young today and from me she gets exposure to CCM and gospel and she loves a lot of it.  From her mother she gets CCM, some top 40 and country.  

She'll make her own choices as she gets older, but she'll also know exactly where Mommy and Daddy stand.

[the underlined points above will be the initial foundation for the "brainwashing" charge later on]

********  Here's the shift in this topic.....this is where "the trap" is set based upon my next expected comments  ********   Smiley Smiley

Now there will be no occult or Satanic music in my house though (whatever that entails)....still my house LOL.  If she happens to want to indulge in that stuff she'll do it outside of the house.

I'll raise her in a Christian environment, but ultimately she'll make her own choices about everything and as she matures will work through those choices like each of us do. If she needs help she's got it.

The difference will be that when the she comes with questions about religion, the bible and God that her Daddy will be different from other parents in that he won't give her a "deer in the headlights" expression and stammer ignorantly with "uhhhhh.....uhhhhhh.....u hhhhhh" when she asks "tough bible questions" that she learned herself or were taught by others.  I'll answer questions, walk her through scripture, walk her through theology and present the other side of the coin....as best I'm able.  I won't do what so many other parents do and toss out a casual "you gotta have more faith" or "ask the teacher in Sunday school".....she'll get a confident, direct response from her Dad.   Wink

[the underlined points above will be the secondary foundation for the later argument about brainwashing and challenging "I thought she could make her own choices"]

********  Here's the breaking point of things....the shift in topic if you will......already knew exactly where this was headed  ********   Smiley Smiley

Now, I know you want me to give my daughter no religious influence whatsoever and allow her to discover all things on her own.  Keep her a blank slate in that regard so that her choices to be religious or not religious are completely her own and "uncorrupted" by her religious-nutter parents because "religion and theism is the most divisive, dangerous position on earth".  If me and her mother go to church that's fine, but don't take her with us....find her a non-religious alternative.  If she later decides on her own to go to church then fine, but only then.

That isn't going to happen LOL.  

To which you'll respond, "So you're comfortable brainwashing your child with religious nonsense and aren't really giving her a choice.  Some parent you are.......etc."  Some version of that, but more drawn out.

Everything I said previously about letting her makes her own choices will be tossed out and the word "influence" will be translated into "brainwashing".  References to bizarre, fundamentalist religious camps with children weeping aloud to God will occur.  More generalizations and offtopic comments about my "religious nuttery" will be casually tossed out in red herring fashion.  All manner of "what if" circumstances will potentially be laid out and referenced as the truth of the matter going forward.

I'll refer you back to my original posts, but it won't matter.  This would go on back and forth for several cycles.  Me saying the same thing and you telling me why I'm wrong, a bad parent, a brainwasher of children, a religious tyrant forcing my beliefs on children.  At this stage the scope of my "brainwashing" will have shifted from just my daughter to a generalization of ALL children I encounter....I'll be the "religious boogeyman" LOL.  

It will literally follow something very close to this.  And all this because of tastes in music.

There it's been nipped in the bud.  Wink

Maybe your friends don't hang out with you as much, not because you're a family man, but because you try to shove religion down their throat every time you hang out?  Shit, if I was your friend, I would have probably told you to fuck off by now. I think youre telling yourself its because youre a family man. Maybe it has nothing to do with that. Perhaps they just don't like to be preached too because they are adults and can make their own decisions. I am sure you will tell me you never ever preach to them.  Undecided Undecided Cheesy Cheesy Which is hard to believe, because we know religious people can't help themselves. Waking me up at 8am in the morning and handing out their pamphlets.  Angry Angry

As for you brainwashing your child, well, I disagree that she should not be allowed to listen to certain music because its YOUR house. I do not think that is good parenting, but to each their own. Your child, her life. Not my child. Don't care about her. Do as you wish  Cheesy Cheesy
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Maybe your friends don't hang out with you as much, not because you're a family man, but because you try to shove religion down their throat every time you hang out?  Shit, if I was your friend, I would have probably told you to fuck off by now. I think youre telling yourself its because youre a family man. Maybe it has nothing to do with that. Perhaps they just don't like to be preached too because they are adults and can make their own decisions. I am sure you will tell me you never ever preach to them.  Undecided Undecided Cheesy Cheesy Which is hard to believe, because we know religious people can't help themselves. Waking me up at 8am in the morning and handing out their pamphlets.  Angry Angry

As for you brainwashing your child, well, I disagree that she should not be allowed to listen to certain music because its YOUR house. I do not think that is good parenting, but to each their own. Your child, her life. Not my child. Don't care about her. Do as you wish  Cheesy Cheesy

Well, there are some that have abandoned ship because of my faith, but these guys are different.  They left long ago because me and another friend we both got married and had kiddos.  This was before I got my heart right with God.....they don't even know about my faith.  They ran for the hills as soon as we announced my wife was pregnant.

But yes, faith in Christ does cause both family and friends to remove themselves from a believer's life.  Not always, but it does happen.  I have some family that won't talk about religion unless I'm not in the room.  My best friend won't talk about religion at all anymore around me (he's a nonbeliever).

There's folks on GB that were cool with me for years and when my heart changed haven't said a word to me.  Hey, it is what it is. 


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