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Re: RAMY Doing The Cryo-Freeze Tank Recovery
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2020, 09:33:48 PM »
Fuck off

Probably even let ole Harvey Wallbanger wail on his buns.

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Re: RAMY Doing The Cryo-Freeze Tank Recovery
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2020, 10:11:00 PM »
Joints feeling better is easy to believe, it suppresses inflammation after all, there's no contradiction with what I said. The research is on muscle adaptation. You want a certain degree of inflammation for the muscle to respond to training. Some have even theorized that increasing inflammation through arachidonic acid supps should increase muscle growth - William Llewellyn, who wrote the Anabolics books, patented this fatty acid for this purpose. NSAIDs also reduce muscle adaptation and hypetrophy. Yet research in the elderly showed that ibuprofen apparently increased hypertrophy. Why? It's likely the ibuprofen allowed these oldies to actually exercise, so the net effect ended up being a positive, even if it suppressed muscle growth to a degree.
Almost all athletes use NSAIDs perodically and the net effect is often positive, even if the per se effect of the drug hampers adaptation.

Check it out, a blog post on it, better format for the average reader than just the actual study.
https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2015/07/using-ice-cold-water-immersion-after.html?m=1

Bollocks, I was under impression that old people hate cold !.

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Re: RAMY Doing The Cryo-Freeze Tank Recovery
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2020, 03:12:43 PM »
Joints feeling better is easy to believe, it suppresses inflammation after all, there's no contradiction with what I said. The research is on muscle adaptation. You want a certain degree of inflammation for the muscle to respond to training. Some have even theorized that increasing inflammation through arachidonic acid supps should increase muscle growth - William Llewellyn, who wrote the Anabolics books, patented this fatty acid for this purpose. NSAIDs also reduce muscle adaptation and hypetrophy. Yet research in the elderly showed that ibuprofen apparently increased hypertrophy. Why? It's likely the ibuprofen allowed these oldies to actually exercise, so the net effect ended up being a positive, even if it suppressed muscle growth to a degree.
Almost all athletes use NSAIDs perodically and the net effect is often positive, even if the per se effect of the drug hampers adaptation.

Check it out, a blog post on it, better format for the average reader than just the actual study.
https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2015/07/using-ice-cold-water-immersion-after.html?m=1

if one is a fairly decent cycle..... how much effect can it have?

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Re: RAMY Doing The Cryo-Freeze Tank Recovery
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2020, 09:37:21 PM »
if one is a fairly decent cycle..... how much effect can it have?

You mean how much of a negative effect cold therapies would have? Impossible to say but perhaps something to keep in mind. One could maybe theorize that in certain situations it might be outright beneficial to reduce runaway inflammation as a result of extreme training. I have played with contrast showers after hard workouts and it feels like it causes immediate recovery of some strength - even if it reduces long term adaptation.

Lots of strength athletes feel NSAIDs help too. Same with high dose antioxidants, though the scientifically minded say to restrict their use to competition situations where they may have acute performance enhancing effects. Long term use though should reduce or even abolish positive adaptation. Then again many good bodybuilders use multi-gram vitamin C for example, though most time is spent on a plateau or losing and regaining lost size. Very little time is spent gaining totally new size.

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Re: RAMY Doing The Cryo-Freeze Tank Recovery
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2020, 01:03:07 AM »
Joints feeling better is easy to believe, it suppresses inflammation after all, there's no contradiction with what I said. The research is on muscle adaptation. You want a certain degree of inflammation for the muscle to respond to training. Some have even theorized that increasing inflammation through arachidonic acid supps should increase muscle growth - William Llewellyn, who wrote the Anabolics books, patented this fatty acid for this purpose. NSAIDs also reduce muscle adaptation and hypetrophy. Yet research in the elderly showed that ibuprofen apparently increased hypertrophy. Why? It's likely the ibuprofen allowed these oldies to actually exercise, so the net effect ended up being a positive, even if it suppressed muscle growth to a degree.
Almost all athletes use NSAIDs perodically and the net effect is often positive, even if the per se effect of the drug hampers adaptation.

Check it out, a blog post on it, better format for the average reader than just the actual study.
https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2015/07/using-ice-cold-water-immersion-after.html?m=1

This is it right here. And also explains that NSAIDS actually helps with hypertrophy when you're old whereas when you're young it hinders it because it mutes the inflammation process necessary as a result of training. It helps old people just exactly as Van B said. Not because it mutes the inflammation process per se but because it just allows them to train.

It's heat that is best after training. It keeps the blood vessels dilated improving blood circulation and also relaxes the muscle. It also promotes some positive hormonal action which I can't remember the specifics.

Cold will definitely help with joint pain because it reduces inflammation just like when you ice an injury. But inflammation is needed for healing. Your body swells for a reason. Back in the late 90s I use to do prolotherapy which required multiple injections, about six all at once, where they inject a fluid in the tendons all across the joint. This was done to promote inflammation. Tendons don't get the blood supply like muscles do so the idea was to irritate it and cause inflammation to force the body to get circulation into that area. It worked. Can get it done here in Hawaii. It's also done by a real medical doctor.

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Re: RAMY Doing The Cryo-Freeze Tank Recovery
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2020, 03:08:55 AM »


It's heat that is best after training. It keeps the blood vessels dilated improving blood circulation and also relaxes the muscle. It also promotes some positive hormonal action which I can't remember the specifics.


I have thought about this before. So after say a brutal leg workout you pop som Viagra or Cialis and some nitric oxide boosters and wear extra small compression tights through the night? :D

https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2017/10/compression-garments-recovery-enhancer.html?m=1


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Re: RAMY Doing The Cryo-Freeze Tank Recovery
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2020, 06:06:57 AM »
He blew Weinstein. I have no doubts now.

For his Planet of Apes-movies?

Or for the Dirk Diggler-movie?
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Re: RAMY Doing The Cryo-Freeze Tank Recovery
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2020, 06:29:03 AM »
Maybe they can just keep Ramy in the cryo tank until the next olympia. Then they can take him out of the tank and put him on stage. He will have a very cool and dry look.

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Re: RAMY Doing The Cryo-Freeze Tank Recovery
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2020, 07:09:01 AM »
Joints feeling better is easy to believe, it suppresses inflammation after all, there's no contradiction with what I said. The research is on muscle adaptation. You want a certain degree of inflammation for the muscle to respond to training. Some have even theorized that increasing inflammation through arachidonic acid supps should increase muscle growth - William Llewellyn, who wrote the Anabolics books, patented this fatty acid for this purpose. NSAIDs also reduce muscle adaptation and hypetrophy. Yet research in the elderly showed that ibuprofen apparently increased hypertrophy. Why? It's likely the ibuprofen allowed these oldies to actually exercise, so the net effect ended up being a positive, even if it suppressed muscle growth to a degree.
Almost all athletes use NSAIDs perodically and the net effect is often positive, even if the per se effect of the drug hampers adaptation.

Check it out, a blog post on it, better format for the average reader than just the actual study.
https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2015/07/using-ice-cold-water-immersion-after.html?m=1
This is interesting but cryo is different than the ice baths used in the testing. I wonder if the results would be the same? I've seen studies that show it's benefits and also it's detriments. Speaking only on my experience with cryo twice a week, I can say that my joints feel better and I recover faster for sure.
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Re: RAMY Doing The Cryo-Freeze Tank Recovery
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2020, 08:50:07 AM »
This is interesting but cryo is different than the ice baths used in the testing. I wonder if the results would be the same? I've seen studies that show it's benefits and also it's detriments. Speaking only on my experience with cryo twice a week, I can say that my joints feel better and I recover faster for sure.

I never tried cryo. Do they charge a lot for the cryo sessions?

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Re: RAMY Doing The Cryo-Freeze Tank Recovery
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2020, 12:17:55 PM »
I never tried cryo. Do they charge a lot for the cryo sessions?
$25-30 per session for the walk in treatment, not the typical cylinder ones. Walk in rooms are far more efficient in getting the entire exposed body cold. Skin temp is around 9°c when you come out. Whole process in 3 ½ minutes vs the ice treatments at 10-30 minutes.
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