Power Lifting doesn't strengthen the lower back

[pellius]

Does this make any sense at all? The lower back comes very much into play when doing squats and deadlifts. I know this because if you have a sore back you can't do these movements.

https://ergo-log.com/powerlifting-makes-your-muscles-stronger-but-not-the-muscles-in-your-lower-back.html

[Powerlift66]

Would be interesting to hear what Fortress thinks.

Squat? Hmm, a lot of compression on lower back, does it make it stronger? Maybe not.

Deadlift? The lockout, pushing the hips FWD, does it make lower back stronger? Maybe not.
But then again, researchers are wrong every day of the week as well.

Training the area w/ assistance stuff like SLD's, hypers, reverse hypers, etc will though (like Captain Obvious mentions in the article).

Is that a Supinator in that article on that page?

[harmankardon1]

Imo you have to do a lot of ancillary movements to truely strengthen the back...

Squats and deads alone will, in a lot of people, Damage the back.....

[joswift]

the argument could be made that we shouldnt be walking upright....

[Powerlift66]

Imo you have to do a lot of ancillary movements to truely strengthen the back...

Squats and deads alone will, in a lot of people, Damage the back.....

Yup ^^

[Beefjake]

the argument could be made that we shouldnt be walking upright....

Walking upright is ok. We've evolved into it.
But we are spending most of our time sitting down. That causes problems.

[wes]

Reverse hypers on a plate loaded machine...............TH ANK ME LATER !!

[IroNat]

Squats and deads definitely strengthen the lower back.

Going too heavy can strain or injure your back.

Duh.

[Powerlift66]

Reverse hypers on a plate loaded machine...............TH ANK ME LATER !!

I love the reverse hyper, no access to one at this time (old gym has one). Did regular hypers after deadlifting today though, then used gravity table...

[Fortress]

Interesting.

I’d imagine heavy lifting/power moves is kinda a give-take “relationship”.

It’s strengthening and deterioration at the same time.

The scale can tip greater either way, depending on innumerable variables.

[oldtimer1]

Just insanity. Squats and dealifts hit the lower back hard. 

[Rambone]

Reverse hypers on a plate loaded machine...............TH ANK ME LATER !!

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

[Fortress]

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

Good stuff, yeah.

[pellius]

Just insanity. Squats and dealifts hit the lower back hard. 

Exactly. If say you start out deadlifting 315 then progress to 500, how could that be possible without your lower back getting stronger. Same with squats. In both movements, you can see the bending at the waist. When you can't straighten up with just your glutes.

[harmankardon1]

You are getting a stronger back at doing deadlifts and squats but what about when walking around, or picking something up off the floor, or bending to the side twisting when moving something......

When doing day to day movements the imbalance in strength between the big muscles developed during deads and squats and the underdeveloped ancillary muscles that are not hit much during the squat and dead causes the issues.

[Flexacon]

Walking upright is ok. We've evolved into it.
But we are spending most of our time sitting down. That causes problems.

Yes. Anyone with back complaints should try walking 5 miles everyday as it can really help.

[pellius]

You are getting a stronger back at doing deadlifts and squats but what about when walking around, or picking something up off the floor, or bending to the side twisting when moving something......

When doing day to day movements the imbalance in strength between the big muscles developed during deads and squats and the underdeveloped ancillary muscles that are not hit much during the squat and dead causes the issues.

Isn't deadlifting picking something up off the floor? If people who don't do shit can walk normally why would someone who squats and deadlifts have more trouble walking?

And what ancillary muscles are not being hit by deadlifts that will cause an imbalance affecting day to day activity? The whole muscles up and down the back are contracting and exerting themselves, including traps and rear delts. Every muscle in the lower body from calves to glutes are being used. You're even hitting your grip and forearm muscles.

[joswift]

anyone ever watch toddlers lift things, they never do a deadlift movement

[harmankardon1]

Isn't deadlifting picking something up off the floor? If people who don't do shit can walk normally why would someone who squats and deadlifts have more trouble walking?

And what ancillary muscles are not being hit by deadlifts that will cause an imbalance affecting day to day activity? The whole muscles up and down the back are contracting and exerting themselves, including traps and rear delts. Every muscle in the lower body from calves to glutes are being used. You're even hitting your grip and forearm muscles.

The stabilisers in and around the spine are not getting the same degree of activation as the erectors, glutes traps etc.... This breeds the imbalance. Also you are in a rigid set position, Strict form up and down over and over more and more weight, it's very different to actually bending over, twisting and rounding of the back that is needed when doing something functionally.

Do you round out your back when you squat and dead ? We're taught to never do this... For good reason, but in actual day to day movements this is a common position.

I dont say these are definately bad movements (though they can be for some) but I do think they need to be done with other supportive movements to enhance functional strength not just get a better dead or squat.

[pamith]

Lol powerlifting means having sore low back muscle pain 24/7, from deadlifts

[Hulkotron]

"Stabilizer muscles" oh brother

[joswift]

are there any instances in the animal kingdom where apes lift huge heavy objects from the floor?

[Van_Bilderass]

The stabilisers in and around the spine are not getting the same degree of activation as the erectors, glutes traps etc.... This breeds the imbalance. Also you are in a rigid set position, Strict form up and down over and over more and more weight, it's very different to actually bending over, twisting and rounding of the back that is needed when doing something functionally.

Do you round out your back when you squat and dead ? We're taught to never do this... For good reason, but in actual day to day movements this is a common position.

I dont say these are definately bad movements (though they can be for some) but I do think they need to be done with other supportive movements to enhance functional strength not just get a better dead or squat.

Some powerlifters do intentionally rounded back good-mornings. Many would say this is insanity, but maybe the risk is overblown if the load is increased slowly.

Some powerlifting "stabilizer" moves:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B8fFetUJpki/?igshid=1e85dfrmusx6n

https://www.instagram.com/p/B3BBKVchIAE/?igshid=hkiquiwblexp

[Humble Narcissist]

anyone ever watch toddlers lift things, they never do a deadlift movement

They also don't use the potty on their own.

[pamith]

Powerlifting destroys your lower back