Matt Jansen Opens up About Dallas McCarver's Death [RXMuscle].

[Matt]

[harmankardon1]

Good interview cheers for posting

[Bevo]

What do you think Matt, you think Jansen used a moderate protocol on Dallas like he’s suggesting, but Dallas didn’t follow it, and used more himself? Or you think Jansen is lying, and of course, he’s not going to say he used crazy amounts on Dallas?

[harmankardon1]

He's downplaying dosages. he's running more, especially was in Dallas, they were pushing that shit hard.

[Bevo]

He's downplaying dosages. he's running more, especially was in Dallas, they were pushing that shit hard.

I agree, He’s def not going to say he had Dallas on a lot more

Makes sense he was pushing him considering Dallas was a favorite to win many shows and possible Mr O

[harmankardon1]

I agree, He’s def not going to say he had Dallas on a lot more

Makes sense he was pushing him considering Dallas was a favorite to win many shows and possible Mr O

Yeah for sure and Dallas was clearly on board with the whole situation....

[SAMSON123]

Dallas's death was odd to say the least

He was living with Lenartowitz at the time and Lenartowitz claims he and Dallas were eating at the time and he went to the bathroom and when he came back to the room , Dallas was dead on the floor from a heart attack...

Odd scenario as heart attacks are not instant and not always fatal.

The person goes through lots of agony during the heart attack and will attempt to get to help/someone during the heart attack; will knock over glasses/furniture/items/thrash about etc..

The way Lenartowitz described it doesn't fit the actual process... neither does his demeanor fit in with witnessing such an event.

Dave Palumbo claims one of his coronaries was 90 percent blocked.... well you have three coronary arteries supplying blood to the heart.. one being nearly blocked will not kill a person.

And because Dallas has suffered a scary situation on stage not long before this "heart attack" it would have made him and his coach/sponsors say, hey let's get this guy some medical intervention to see what is wrong with him... but alas nothing was investigated supposedly.

If he had blocked coronaries, that would have been treated before it became an issue.

So, I just feel there is more to his death than we are being told...

[harmankardon1]

Dallas's death was odd to say the least

He was living with Lenartowitz at the time and Lenartowitz claims he and Dallas were eating at the time and he went to the bathroom and when he came back to the room , Dallas was dead on the floor from a heart attack...

Odd scenario as heart attacks are not instant and not always fatal.

The person goes through lots of agony during the heart attack and will attempt to get to help/someone during the heart attack; will knock over glasses/furniture/items/thrash about etc..

The way Lenartowitz described it doesn't fit the actual process... neither does his demeanor fit in with witnessing such an event.

Dave Palumbo claims one of his coronaries was 90 percent blocked.... well you have three coronary arteries supplying blood to the heart.. one being nearly blocked will not kill a person.

And because Dallas has suffered a scary situation on stage not long before this "heart attack" it would have made him and his coach/sponsors say, hey let's get this guy some medical intervention to see what is wrong with him... but alas nothing was investigated supposedly.

If he had blocked coronaries, that would have been treated before it became an issue.

So, I just feel there is more to his death than we are being told...

Josh was at the gym doing cardio, when he got back to Dallas house, Dallas was dead on the floor ( already blue) had been dead for a while at that point....

As for them ignoring the obvious warning signs health wise, Dallas was a young guy, 26 years old, at that age we think were bulletproof, he was thinking only about getting huge and bbing, investigating health issues could only get in the way of that.

[Van_Bilderass]

And because Dallas has suffered a scary situation on stage not long before this "heart attack" it would have made him and his coach/sponsors say, hey let's get this guy some medical intervention to see what is wrong with him... but alas nothing was investigated supposedly.

But what exactly happened at the show? All I saw was the guy almost fainted on stage and that is nothing unusual in itself, just from being dehydrated and posing hard. But there may have been more stuff going on, I don't know.

As far as medical intervention, every doctor would recommend every single pro to immediately stop everything if health is a priority. What doctor would tell any top 10 Mr O competitor that everything is fine, just keep doing what you have been doing? Of course different pros could have more or less acute health risks but if examined close to a show they all would have blood work out of whack for example. They all have enlarged hearts and from what I know that could cause electrical problems eventually.

Palumbo himself has a defibrillator in his chest... I think someone on this forum mentioned it. I saw where Palumbo mentioned that since going clean his heart has shrunk some so obviously had enlargement like the rest. This is probably why he claims he doesn't even touch HRT now.

If I were to venture a guess, Dallas probably already was on some blood pressure and/or heart medication either with or without a doctors help. I know many are self-prescribing a bunch of stuff nowadays to attempt some damage control. From what I've seen things like Telmisartan and Cialis are popular in the scene. A few take beta blockers, others diuretics. And so on.

[willl]

From what I've seen things like Telmisartan and Cialis are popular in the scene. A few take beta blockers, others diuretics. And so on.

VB what's ur experience with blood pressure meds? which ones have u tested and which ones work best (side effects taken into consideration)?

i've tried diuretics, ace inhibitors, calcium channel blockers and sartans

ace inhibitors didnt work
calcium channel blockers (even at high doses) didn't work
diuretics work for a couple of days, then stops working
sartans work, especially the strongest of the lot, olmesartan.

the sartans are the only meds that don't interfere with my training and allow a necessary retention of water
but don't use them when in procreation mode, bad for fetal development

[SAMSON123]

Josh was at the gym doing cardio, when he got back to Dallas house, Dallas was dead on the floor ( already blue) had been dead for a while at that point....

This story has been changed then.

The initial claim Josh made was they were eating together in the room and talking and Josh claimed he went to the bathroom and when he came out Dallas was dead on the floor... I found that way too odd as we all have seen a person have a heart attack (even if it was in the movies, where pretty accurate descriptions/visuals are acted out)  https://www.newser.com/story/247594/bodybuilder-dallas-mccarver-dead-from-choking-report.html

As for them ignoring the obvious warning signs health wise, Dallas was a young guy, 26 years old, at that age we think were bulletproof, he was thinking only about getting huge and bbing, investigating health issues could only get in the way of that.

Even being young and foolish a person's attitude changes quick when they have a scare like that. NO ONE WANTS TO DIE, even when they are doing something that heightens that possibility.

So I just find it odd that Dallas would not of his own self seek some type of medical intervention. Just look at the amount of guys that bowed out of BBing after a scare of one type or another. Jason Huh, Justin Compton, Dohne, Melvin Anthony, Gunter Schlierkamp, Dennis Wolf etc

[Taffin]

So as I'm hearing it (from around the 7min mark), in a nutshell Coach Jansen is saying 2 things:


1.   He advises Pro's (for example mentioning DeAsha) to take around 100/150mg Test per day max (~0.5 - 1cc maybe?)

2.   He 'calculated' that McCarver was (possibly ignoring that advice and) taking ~9cc's a day to give that Tox reading


Seems legit.

[JuicedKangaroo]

The initial claim Josh made was they were eating together in the room and talking and Josh claimed he went to the bathroom and when he came out Dallas was dead on the floor... I found that way too odd as we all have seen a person have a heart attack (even if it was in the movies, where pretty accurate descriptions/visuals are acted out)  https://www.newser.com/story/247594/bodybuilder-dallas-mccarver-dead-from-choking-report.html[/color]

I don't believe this is true.

If you listened to the 911 call, when asked how long Dallas had been in that condition Josh said that he was unsure and said something to the effect of "between 30 and 40 minutes" which would have coincided with his absence from the home, as he was doing cardio at the gym. Josh also mentions "insulin" on the call (though going hypo was not the cause of death).

It was pretty gut wrenching to listen to the call, I am surprised that it got out there.

[SAMSON123]

I don't believe this is true.

If you listened to the 911 call, when asked how long Dallas had been in that condition Josh said that he was unsure and said something to the effect of "between 30 and 40 minutes" which would have coincided with his absence from the home, as he was doing cardio at the gym. Josh also mentions "insulin" on the call (though going hypo was not the cause of death).

It was pretty gut wrenching to listen to the call, I am surprised that it got out there.

Listen to that call again as Josh dances around from 10 minutes to 30 - 40 minutes

How could he know how long Dallas was dead? Where was the panic in his voice? In the time it would have taken him to get to the gym, do cardio, socialize, get back home... MORE THAN 10 MINUTES WOULD HAVE ELAPSED AND CERTAINLY IN TOTALITY IT WOULD HAVE EXCEEDED THE 30-40 MINUTE WINDOW.

HIS CARDIO SESSION COULD NOT HAVE BEEN LONGER THAN 10 MINUTES FOR ALL OF THIS TO HAPPEN IN THE TIME FRAME HE CLAIMED...

I smell a RAT in this... Let's hope this is not one of those MASONIC HITS placed on Dallas

[Bevo]

Josh was at the gym doing cardio, when he got back to Dallas house, Dallas was dead on the floor ( already blue) had been dead for a while at that point....

This story has been changed then.

The initial claim Josh made was they were eating together in the room and talking and Josh claimed he went to the bathroom and when he came out Dallas was dead on the floor... I found that way too odd as we all have seen a person have a heart attack (even if it was in the movies, where pretty accurate descriptions/visuals are acted out)  https://www.newser.com/story/247594/bodybuilder-dallas-mccarver-dead-from-choking-report.html

As for them ignoring the obvious warning signs health wise, Dallas was a young guy, 26 years old, at that age we think were bulletproof, he was thinking only about getting huge and bbing, investigating health issues could only get in the way of that.

Even being young and foolish a person's attitude changes quick when they have a scare like that. NO ONE WANTS TO DIE, even when they are doing something that heightens that possibility.

So I just find it odd that Dallas would not of his own self seek some type of medical intervention. Just look at the amount of guys that bowed out of BBing after a scare of one type or another. Jason Huh, Justin Compton, Dohne, Melvin Anthony, Gunter Schlierkamp, Dennis Wolf etc

Aside from dohne and Compton what happened to the others?

[affeman]

LMAO @ a pathological liar "opening up"

[Mothballs]

What really happened is a lot more like what happens when celebrities overdose like Heath Ledger or Michael Jackson or Whitney Houston. The other people in the home or vicinity are more concerned with saving their own ass than getting emergency services.

From what I gather here, Josh was home and stepped out of the room for a bit. Came back and saw Dallas basically dead on the floor. Instead of calling 911 and inviting police and EMT into his drug filled apartment, he spent 20-30 minutes clearing everything out - like running to the gym and stashing a bag in a locker. Then came back and called 911.

[SAMSON123]

What really happened is a lot more like what happens when celebrities overdose like Heath Ledger or Michael Jackson or Whitney Houston. The other people in the home or vicinity are more concerned with saving their own ass than getting emergency services.

From what I gather here, Josh was home and stepped out of the room for a bit. Came back and saw Dallas basically dead on the floor. Instead of calling 911 and inviting police and EMT into his drug filled apartment, he spent 20-30 minutes clearing everything out - like running to the gym and stashing a bag in a locker. Then came back and called 911.

Could very well be the case.... all I remember is Josh giving one story of what happened and then somehow the media later began reporting another version...


Yours begins to sound more and more like the TRUTH as I consider it.

That tactic would keep both he (Josh) and Dallas free from any implication of causing or having caused someone's death

[MAXX]

07:54

He said Dallas was taking 9CC per Day... Well... that equals out to close to but probably even more than 10 grams a week depending on dosage per cc

[bigkid]

Can you imagine putting your health in the hands of either of these dolts.

[SAMSON123]

Aside from dohne and Compton what happened to the others?

Remember Dohne had Kidney Failure (not sure if he needed a transplant or survives on limited function), Compton never said exactly why he stopped but hinted at health, Jason Huh also had his health scare and both he and his brother stopped and turned to starting a supplement company (STEEL) as well as a car detailing operation, Melvin Anthony commented numerous times before bowing out that it's not worth dying for...

[MAXX]

Wonder what his HGH dosages was like

Lungs 2x size of normal
Liver 3x size of normal
Heart 3x size of normal
 

[Taffin]

Remember Dohne had Kidney Failure (not sure if he needed a transplant or survives on limited function), Compton never said exactly why he stopped but hinted at health, Jason Huh also had his health scare and both he and his brother stopped and turned to starting a supplement company (STEEL) as well as a car detailing operation, Melvin Anthony commented numerous times before bowing out that it's not worth dying for...

Actually he did mention something on his IG - a tear in his bowel - don't believe he specified the cause

It was definitely not blood pressure related though...

[a_pupil]

VB what's ur experience with blood pressure meds? which ones have u tested and which ones work best (side effects taken into consideration)?

i've tried diuretics, ace inhibitors, calcium channel blockers and sartans

ace inhibitors didnt work
calcium channel blockers (even at high doses) didn't work
diuretics work for a couple of days, then stops working
sartans work, especially the strongest of the lot, olmesartan.

the sartans are the only meds that don't interfere with my training and allow a necessary retention of water
but don't use them when in procreation mode, bad for fetal development

beta blockers

[joswift]

Actually he did mention something on his IG - a tear in his bowel - don't believe he specified the cause

It was definitely not blood pressure related though...

maybe Chris Duffy was prepping him...