Matt Jansen Opens up About Dallas McCarver's Death [RXMuscle].

[WalterWhite]

Actually he did mention something on his IG - a tear in his bowel - don't believe he specified the cause

It was definitely not blood pressure related though...

In this YT vids he talks about it all from what he took to his diet/training split. and sponsor money .  In the end he says says he was so beat up (tendons/joints/tears) he was done.

This has time stamps under the video on YT.  His gear use was certainly not crazy but his diet

[WalterWhite]

VB what's ur experience with blood pressure meds? which ones have u tested and which ones work best (side effects taken into consideration)?

i've tried diuretics, ace inhibitors, calcium channel blockers and sartans

ace inhibitors didnt work
calcium channel blockers (even at high doses) didn't work
diuretics work for a couple of days, then stops working
sartans work, especially the strongest of the lot, olmesartan.

the sartans are the only meds that don't interfere with my training and allow a necessary retention of water
but don't use them when in procreation mode, bad for fetal development

Have your tried a angiotensin II receptor blockers?
These drugs block the effects of angiotensin, a chemical that causes the arteries to become narrow. Angiotensin needs a receptor- like a chemical "slot" to fit into or bind with- in order to constrict the blood vessel. ARBs block the receptors so the angiotensin fails to constrict the blood vessel. This means blood vessels stay open and blood pressure is reduced.

Generic name   Common brand names
candesartan   Atacand*
eprosartan mesylate   Teveten*
irbesarten   Avapro*
losartan potassium   Cozaar*
telmisartan   Micardis*
valsartan   Diovan*

[Blockhead]

Could you all imagine how happy and excited Josh was deep down knowing he got to keep all of Dallas’ unused stash he hid before he made the 911 call.

I bet he was ecstatic.


- Block!

[harmankardon1]

Listen to that call again as Josh dances around from 10 minutes to 30 - 40 minutes

How could he know how long Dallas was dead? Where was the panic in his voice? In the time it would have taken him to get to the gym, do cardio, socialize, get back home... MORE THAN 10 MINUTES WOULD HAVE ELAPSED AND CERTAINLY IN TOTALITY IT WOULD HAVE EXCEEDED THE 30-40 MINUTE WINDOW.

HIS CARDIO SESSION COULD NOT HAVE BEEN LONGER THAN 10 MINUTES FOR ALL OF THIS TO HAPPEN IN THE TIME FRAME HE CLAIMED...

I smell a RAT in this... Let's hope this is not one of those MASONIC HITS placed on Dallas

He was just guessing, that's why he said different times, he was trying to estimate based on how long he was gone....

[Bevo]

Could you all imagine how happy and excited Josh was deep down knowing he got to keep all of Dallas’ unused stash he hid before he made the 911 call.

I bet he was ecstatic.


- Block!

Especially all the gh, can you imagine how much Dallas had. Josh saved a lot of money

[Matt]

Canada - or at least Thunder Bay, so I'm assuming Ontario, if not all of Canada - recently put in place a "Good Samaritan" law which means that if you are using drugs or involved in drugs somehow while you are involved with someone who has overdosed on drugs, you can call 911 and report it, and the police do not have the right to charge you.

I think it's kind of pathetic that the police would lay drug charges on people in that state.  I mean, how could they POSSIBLY think that would do anything but deter people from calling 911 to request an ambulance?  OBVIOUSLY people are going to be afraid that they will be charged and/or arrested!

But in Canada, pre-Good Samaritan law, you could always call the police and simply say that you thought the person was having "a seizure or heart attack", and just claim to not be certain, AND MAKE NO MENTION WHATSOEVER OF DRUGS, and apparently the police would not come in to investigate.

IF you mentioned drugs in any way, you were basically assuring that your house or whatever residence you were at would be the subject of a search.

I'm not sure what the laws are like in the USA, so I can't comment on the likelihood of Josh having cleaned up the place of anabolics and other items first, before calling 911.

Does anyone know if there is a definite time frame where Josh could have found Dallas, and then had a pause, before he made the call?  What is the basis for the speculations in here?  Just curious.  I'd need more information before I myself can speculate.

[harmankardon1]

Especially all the gh, can you imagine how much Dallas had. Josh saved a lot of money

Can't blame Josh for grabbing the gh 

[harmankardon1]

Canada - or at least Thunder Bay, so I'm assuming Ontario, if not all of Canada - recently put in place a "Good Samaritan" law which means that if you are using drugs or involved in drugs somehow while you are involved with someone who has overdosed on drugs, you can call 911 and report it, and the police do not have the right to charge you.

I think it's kind of pathetic that the police would lay drug charges on people in that state.  I mean, how could they POSSIBLY think that would do anything but deter people from calling 911 to request an ambulance?  OBVIOUSLY people are going to be afraid that they will be charged and/or arrested!

But in Canada, pre-Good Samaritan law, you could always call the police and simply say that you thought the person was having "a seizure or heart attack", and just claim to not be certain, AND MAKE NO MENTION WHATSOEVER OF DRUGS, and apparently the police would not come in to investigate.

IF you mentioned drugs in any way, you were basically assuring that your house or whatever residence you were at would be the subject of a search.

I'm not sure what the laws are like in the USA, so I can't comment on the likelihood of Josh having cleaned up the place of anabolics and other items first, before calling 911.

Does anyone know if there is a definite time frame where Josh could have found Dallas, and then had a pause, before he made the call?  What is the basis for the speculations in here?  Just curious.  I'd need more information before I myself can speculate.

It wasn't Josh's house so legally not his problem, Dallas was clearly dead and it would have legally been on him...

[SAMSON123]

Canada - or at least Thunder Bay, so I'm assuming Ontario, if not all of Canada - recently put in place a "Good Samaritan" law which means that if you are using drugs or involved in drugs somehow while you are involved with someone who has overdosed on drugs, you can call 911 and report it, and the police do not have the right to charge you.

I think it's kind of pathetic that the police would lay drug charges on people in that state.  I mean, how could they POSSIBLY think that would do anything but deter people from calling 911 to request an ambulance?  OBVIOUSLY people are going to be afraid that they will be charged and/or arrested!

But in Canada, pre-Good Samaritan law, you could always call the police and simply say that you thought the person was having "a seizure or heart attack", and just claim to not be certain, AND MAKE NO MENTION WHATSOEVER OF DRUGS, and apparently the police would not come in to investigate.

IF you mentioned drugs in any way, you were basically assuring that your house or whatever residence you were at would be the subject of a search.



Hey Matt

The medical team should have been able to give a good determination of Dallas's death based upon the temperature of his body relative to the room temperature... This should have verified or brought into question Josh's claim of him being dead 10, 30, 40 etc minutes

Again the initial version of this story said Dallas moved in with Josh (Josh's home)  and he and Josh were eating... Josh then went to the bathroom and when he came out Dallas was on the floor dead... This being, I am sure there was a delay, as Josh would have needed time to dispose of anything that would implicate Dallas and/or himself of having "illicit" drugs which could bring on his arrest as well...

And yeah, that is pretty fucked up that the cops would look to add charges to a dead person, but I have seen that happen in many cases as though somehow it would benefit the deceased person.... must have something to do with them getting "credit" for a drug bust or something..




I'm not sure what the laws are like in the USA, so I can't comment on the likelihood of Josh having cleaned up the place of anabolics and other items first, before calling 911.

Does anyone know if there is a definite time frame where Josh could have found Dallas, and then had a pause, before he made the call?  What is the basis for the speculations in here?  Just curious.  I'd need more information before I myself can speculate.

[JuicedKangaroo]

Listen to that call again as Josh dances around from 10 minutes to 30 - 40 minutes

How could he know how long Dallas was dead? Where was the panic in his voice? In the time it would have taken him to get to the gym, do cardio, socialize, get back home... MORE THAN 10 MINUTES WOULD HAVE ELAPSED AND CERTAINLY IN TOTALITY IT WOULD HAVE EXCEEDED THE 30-40 MINUTE WINDOW.

HIS CARDIO SESSION COULD NOT HAVE BEEN LONGER THAN 10 MINUTES FOR ALL OF THIS TO HAPPEN IN THE TIME FRAME HE CLAIMED...

I smell a RAT in this... Let's hope this is not one of those MASONIC HITS placed on Dallas

Disgustingly baseless comment to implicate his best mate as a "rat" with a possible role in the passing of Dallas. This takes the cake, even for GetBig...

He was just guessing, that's why he said different times, he was trying to estimate based on how long he was gone....

[SAMSON123]

Disgustingly baseless comment to implicate his best mate as a "rat" with a possible role in the passing of Dallas. This takes the cake, even for GetBig...

To say I SMELL A RAT does not implicate anyone... It means SOMETHING IS WRONG IN/WITH THE STORY!!!!

[JuicedKangaroo]

To say I SMELL A RAT does not implicate anyone... It means SOMETHING IS WRONG IN/WITH THE STORY!!!!

Questioning the level of panic in Josh's voice, noting your "smell of a rat," you "hoping" that it wasn't a "hit" on Dallas.. Yeah, I'm sure you're not implicating anything at all. 

I hope for Josh's sake that he never stumbles upon this cesspool of a thread.

[usmcdevildoc]

Yeah for sure and Dallas was clearly on board with the whole situation....

Too bad Josh did not know CPR. He needed course work.

[SAMSON123]

Questioning the level of panic in Josh's voice, noting your "smell of a rat," you "hoping" that it wasn't a "hit" on Dallas.. Yeah, I'm sure you're not implicating anything at all. 

I hope for Josh's sake that he never stumbles upon this cesspool of a thread.

YES Juiced Kangaroo.... That along with what I mentioned in regard to determining a person's death based upon bodily temperature, blood oxygen/carbon dioxide levels etc are all used to verify with close proximity when a person died.

Josh does not come across to me as panicked like a person would be in finding a dead person/friend in his home.

The lack of a time frame is odd as well.

If he went to the gym, (at a specific time) for cardio as claimed (despite the first claim being he went to the bathroom) that would mean time to get to the gym, time to do cardio session, time to socialize and time to get back home...

How was it possible for him to do all of this in the 10, 30, 40 minute time frame he claimed?

How come he did not say he left home at a specific time and arrived back home at a specific time and found Dallas on the floor?

This would at least give a better sense of when Dallas died... as it stands it drives questions about OTHER possibilities...

So yeah I am going to still say I SMELL A RAT/SOMETHING IS WRONG in all that has been said and all that has happened in regard to Dallas's death..

[borsen8]

YES Juiced Kangaroo.... That along with what I mentioned in regard to determining a person's death based upon bodily temperature, blood oxygen/carbon dioxide levels etc are all used to verify with close proximity when a person died.

Josh does not come across to me as panicked like a person would be in finding a dead person/friend in his home.

The lack of a time frame is odd as well.

If he went to the gym, (at a specific time) for cardio as claimed (despite the first claim being he went to the bathroom) that would mean time to get to the gym, time to do cardio session, time to socialize and time to get back home...

How was it possible for him to do all of this in the 10, 30, 40 minute time frame he claimed?

How come he did not say he left home at a specific time and arrived back home at a specific time and found Dallas on the floor?

This would at least give a better sense of when Dallas died... as it stands it drives questions about OTHER possibilities...

So yeah I am going to still say I SMELL A RAT/SOMETHING IS WRONG in all that has been said and all that has happened in regard to Dallas's death..

christ man, give it up. the kid is dead. what do yo care.

[Matt]

Hey Matt

The medical team should have been able to give a good determination of Dallas's death based upon the temperature of his body relative to the room temperature... This should have verified or brought into question Josh's claim of him being dead 10, 30, 40 etc minutes

Again the initial version of this story said Dallas moved in with Josh (Josh's home)  and he and Josh were eating... Josh then went to the bathroom and when he came out Dallas was on the floor dead... This being, I am sure there was a delay, as Josh would have needed time to dispose of anything that would implicate Dallas and/or himself of having "illicit" drugs which could bring on his arrest as well...

And yeah, that is pretty fucked up that the cops would look to add charges to a dead person, but I have seen that happen in many cases as though somehow it would benefit the deceased person.... must have something to do with them getting "credit" for a drug bust or something..

Interesting!  Thank you for posting, SAMSON123.

[SAMSON123]

christ man, give it up. the kid is dead. what do yo care.

Borsen... There is no disrespect of the dead but a questioning of what has been presented as the reason for Dallas' death.

I did not start this thread and neither am I trashing anyone... you're putting your own spin on things.

Suspicious deaths and circumstances have plagued sports industry, movie industry and music industry for too many decades to count...

I question those as well just to make people see/think that there are times it is NOT a simple death...

[deadz]

He died because he was a steroid pig. End of stupid ass thread////////////////////////////////////////.

[Matt]

He died because he was a steroid pig. End of stupid ass thread////////////////////////////////////////.

Dallas abused steroids?

Ok, but did his coach encourage him to do so, or did he do more than his coach asked him to?

[Van_Bilderass]

Dallas abused steroids?

Ok, but did his coach encourage him to do so, or did he do more than his coach asked him to?

What is abuse vs mere use? Rhetorical question.

Pinning somethin like this on one coach is kind of hard. For example, Dallas had a heart that was like 3 times the normal size. This doesn't happen overnight. Who's more to blame, the coach who set him on this road to begin with when he was a teen or the coach who was with him when he finally died? Would any coach have told him to stop bodybuilding altogether? I read that he was freaking 350lbs with very low bodyfat - anyone knows this is not healthy whether he is taking 2 grams or 5 grams or 15 grams.

[tres_taco_combo]

What really happened is a lot more like what happens when celebrities overdose like Heath Ledger or Michael Jackson or Whitney Houston. The other people in the home or vicinity are more concerned with saving their own ass than getting emergency services.

From what I gather here, Josh was home and stepped out of the room for a bit. Came back and saw Dallas basically dead on the floor. Instead of calling 911 and inviting police and EMT into his drug filled apartment, he spent 20-30 minutes clearing everything out - like running to the gym and stashing a bag in a locker. Then came back and called 911.

mind blown right there - ^^^

[Taffin]

You silly bullies need to stop your silly bullying right now, or Josh might cry (again)....

He doesn't like it when you allege he uses steroids, OK!?  

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=605444.0

Got it now?!  Even when his (apparently best friend) who eats, trains and lives with him drops dead in his house from a (prefectly normal) heart attack aged 26


A few progress pics from Josh the natty...

[Van_Bilderass]

You silly bullies need to stop your silly bullying right now, or Josh might cry (again)....

He doesn't like it when you allege he uses steroids, OK!?  

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=605444.0

Lol, I remember that now, poor guy 

[Primemuscle]

Canada - or at least Thunder Bay, so I'm assuming Ontario, if not all of Canada - recently put in place a "Good Samaritan" law which means that if you are using drugs or involved in drugs somehow while you are involved with someone who has overdosed on drugs, you can call 911 and report it, and the police do not have the right to charge you.

I think it's kind of pathetic that the police would lay drug charges on people in that state.  I mean, how could they POSSIBLY think that would do anything but deter people from calling 911 to request an ambulance?  OBVIOUSLY people are going to be afraid that they will be charged and/or arrested!

But in Canada, pre-Good Samaritan law, you could always call the police and simply say that you thought the person was having "a seizure or heart attack", and just claim to not be certain, AND MAKE NO MENTION WHATSOEVER OF DRUGS, and apparently the police would not come in to investigate.

IF you mentioned drugs in any way, you were basically assuring that your house or whatever residence you were at would be the subject of a search.

I'm not sure what the laws are like in the USA, so I can't comment on the likelihood of Josh having cleaned up the place of anabolics and other items first, before calling 911.

Does anyone know if there is a definite time frame where Josh could have found Dallas, and then had a pause, before he made the call?  What is the basis for the speculations in here?  Just curious.  I'd need more information before I myself can speculate.

Just so you know, the police don't always comply with the law. Illegal searches are not unheard of.

[Bevo]

You silly bullies need to stop your silly bullying right now, or Josh might cry (again)....

He doesn't like it when you allege he uses steroids, OK!?  

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=605444.0

Got it now?!  Even when his (apparently best friend) who eats, trains and lives with him drops dead in his house from a (prefectly normal) heart attack aged 26


A few progress pics from Josh the natty...

I mean, didn’t he himself have health issues as well? Tells you everything you need to know, he was part of the problem