Covid 19 - We are all screwed - discuss

[Mayday]

You know, my general assumption in this sort of situation is that if something seems very obvious to me but not obvious to a bunch of people who do something like this professionally, the issue is usually that I’m lacking some important context or piece of knowledge that they have.

The data input can be correct but this is why when something bucks a trend the data owner needs to investigate to validate the data and then stand up to scrutiny when questioned over why it changed.

Without context i could say there were less older people that year (old and Pne go together), the weather was much warmer than usual, a health care shortage mean less people were diagnosed, a new vaccine was created and drastically reduced cases etc.   In other words, it's pretty damn useless.

Hope that might help?

[el numero uno]

Maybe he's asking why the focus of isolation isn't on those people.  

There must be a good answer, and it'd help if more of us could understand it (that answer).

No, he claims Covid-19 is a hoax.

But I get your point.

From what I've read, there are some countries who are just isolating the elderly, in the hopes that young people will tolerate the disease and build herd immunity. A few countries like Brazil have decided to not do anything about it, no lockdowns, no restrictions, nada.

Not sure how that will work out.

Apparently, experts think Coronavirus can end up infecting too many people at once, in which case, even if you isolate the vulnerable you still end up overwhelming the system.

I think countries who are not following the WHO guidelines will serve as a good (but not perfect) indicator of if lockdowns were necessary at all.

[Desolate]

Proof of the lie and games going on.

CDC Tells Hospitals To List COVID as Cause of Death Even if You're Just Assuming or It Only Contributed.

The problem with making informed decisions about coronavirus is that we don’t have a whole lot of data on it at the moment.

The data that we do have, meanwhile, could end up being terminally skewed, particularly the data that’s been coming out of China.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s guidance on determining COVID-19 as a cause of death isn’t going to help those numbers.

Issued March 24, the guidance tells hospitals to list COVID-19 as a cause of death regardless of whether or not there’s actual testing to confirm that’s the case.

Instead, even if the coronavirus was just a contributing factor or if it’s “assumed to have caused or contributed to death,” it can be listed as the primary cause.

 

Full story and video:

https://www.westernjournal.com/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-cause-death-even-just-assuming-contributed/?utm_source=whatfinger

[AbrahamG]

This whole thing is a fraud.

New York may already be at apex of cases… – Cuomo

Direct link:
https://youtu.be/J3npY02SECs

Reporter asks ‘you are using only 16,000 beds, and you said you would need at least 110,000.’ As Tucker Carlson discussed Friday night, hospitalization rates nationwide are only about 15-20% of what the models predicted.

You are a douche bag. This is dangerous propoganda.

[pellius]

stop following me around. its getting boring.

Typical anonymous cowardly keyboard warrior. You start shit with me and then when you get it back you immediately starting whining and crying. 

 

[Primemuscle]

The best experts are guessing at the numbers, because that's what's available. What medical science, our leadership and the media report are best their guesses based on whatever information they have, which may or may not be accurate. Anyone who still thinks the novel coronavirus is a total hoax should get their heads examined. This shit is real. It's no hoax. The entire world does not conspire to create something that doesn't exist. If in the end, the predictions were overstated, that is a much better situation than if they were understated and people got sick or died unnecessarily as a result.  

[Big Karma]

The best experts are guessing at the numbers, because that's what's available. What medical science, our leadership and the media report are best their guesses based on whatever information they have, which may or may not be accurate. Anyone who still thinks the novel coronavirus is a total hoax should get their heads examined. This shit is real. It's no hoax. The entire world does not conspire to create something that doesn't exist. If in the end, the predictions were overstated, that is a much better situation than if they were understated and people got sick or died unnecessarily as a result.  

I think people are saying the response is a hoax or somehow hoax- like, rather than the thing itself.

And when the economy is being wrecked, people had absolutely better question everything.  I don't blame those who question, at all.  I'd be freaked out if no one was doing that.

[mazrim]

Proof of the lie and games going on.

CDC Tells Hospitals To List COVID as Cause of Death Even if You're Just Assuming or It Only Contributed.
 

Full story and video:

https://www.westernjournal.com/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-cause-death-even-just-assuming-contributed/?utm_source=whatfinger

Posted this about 8 posts up.
Also here is the direct link for CDC guidelines. Very, very open to manipulation

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1fs5kAvKlZjHp4I93kc-FBujCRPQlg6YYv5lKfXeBUGoRX0qGiku5Z0CE

[Primemuscle]

I think people are saying the response is a hoax or somehow hoax- like, rather than the thing itself.

And when the economy is being wrecked, people had absolutely better question everything.  I don't blame those who question, at all.  I'd be freaked out if no one was doing that.

Without questions, there's absolute gullibility. So yeah, questioning is good. It is best though when someone clarifies that it is a question and not a statement. Some of us older more senile folks get confused otherwise.  

Not sure a response can be a hoax in this case. A hoax is a humorous or malicious deception. Over responding doesn't seem either humorous or malicious and it is based more on perception than deception.

[Big Karma]

Without questions, there's absolute gullibility. So yeah, questioning is good. It is best though when someone clarifies that it is a question and not a statement. Some of us older more senile folks get confused otherwise.  

Not sure a response can be a hoax in this case. A hoax is a humorous or malicious deception. Over responding doesn't seem either humorous or malicious and it is based more on perception than deception.

Destruction of the economy without clear explanation could be seen as malicious, and increasing danger to the vulnerable by not focusing our limited resources on them can also be seen as malicious.

If it is perception and not deception, then why can't it be explained?

[illuminati]

The best experts are guessing at the numbers, because that's what's available. What medical science, our leadership and the media report are best their guesses based on whatever information they have, which may or may not be accurate. Anyone who still thinks the novel coronavirus is a total hoax should get their heads examined. This shit is real. It's no hoax. The entire world does not conspire to create something that doesn't exist. If in the end, the predictions were overstated, that is a much better situation than if they were understated and people got sick or died unnecessarily as a result.  

The Virus isn’t a Hoax - I believe it’s real & Dangerous.
There’s enough info out there all saying very much the same things.
These are the High Risk People
1. The Elderly Especially with underlying health issues
2. People with Diabetes
3. Those overweight/ obese
4. Those with heart / lung issues

It is Predominantly those in that group who are in ICU & a percentage of those are Dying.
Unfortunately they would also be highly at risk from the Flu Virus.

There are Known & Now used Medications that work within 2-4days On Majority of people.
Isolating those in the High Risk category’s Is Definitely a Good & Sensible Idea.
Isolating everyone & shutting nearly everything down is Not a Good Idea & as time goes on
More & more are questioning the validity & Reasons as all are bing effected by this response
And Very Few in a Positive Way.

Unfortunately some young & otherwise healthy people may/will die that will be a tiny %
No not at all pleasant if it’s one of our nearest & dearest - Though there’s always a risk
We will die of something unexpected from accident to health issues.

I’m not buying this 100% have to isolate & Lockdown Etc Business is entirely necessary
Or of benefit.

[mazrim]

Interesting vid. Glad more scientists, etc. are speaking out.

[TheGrinch]

The Virus isn’t a Hoax - I believe it’s real & Dangerous.
There’s enough info out there all saying very much the same things.
These are the High Risk People
1. The Elderly Especially with underlying health issues
2. People with Diabetes
3. Those overweight/ obese
4. Those with heart / lung issues

It is Predominantly those in that group who are in ICU & a percentage of those are Dying.
Unfortunately they would also be highly at risk from the Flu Virus.

There are Known & Now used Medications that work within 2-4days On Majority of people.
Isolating those in the High Risk category’s Is Definitely a Good & Sensible Idea.
Isolating everyone & shutting nearly everything down is Not a Good Idea & as time goes on
More & more are questioning the validity & Reasons as all are bing effected by this response
And Very Few in a Positive Way.

Unfortunately some young & otherwise healthy people may/will die that will be a tiny %
No not at all pleasant if it’s one of our nearest & dearest - Though there’s always a risk
We will die of something unexpected from accident to health issues.

I’m not buying this 100% have to isolate & Lockdown Etc Business is entirely necessary
Or of benefit.

100% Exactly


Actually just found out from a close older friend that his mom just passed.

She's been in a 24 hour care nursing home in NYC for the last year since her husband passed.

Prior week got diagnosed with COVID (she's in her mid 90's and been in poor health)

This last Friday the nurses said she fully recovered from the virus - all symptoms gone (no cough, full oxygen levels, no fever, nothing)

This morning (Sunday) her heart just gave out.


-- Was listed as dying from COVID

WTF?


My friend is the first one that still says this whole locking down of the global economy is a sham and continues to see empty hospitals in NYC even though his mother died

Its a global scam and the sheep are eating it up

[Primemuscle]

The Virus isn’t a Hoax - I believe it’s real & Dangerous.
There’s enough info out there all saying very much the same things.
These are the High Risk People
1. The Elderly Especially with underlying health issues
2. People with Diabetes
3. Those overweight/ obese
4. Those with heart / lung issues

It is Predominantly those in that group who are in ICU & a percentage of those are Dying.
Unfortunately they would also be highly at risk from the Flu Virus.

There are Known & Now used Medications that work within 2-4days On Majority of people.
Isolating those in the High Risk category’s Is Definitely a Good & Sensible Idea.
Isolating everyone & shutting nearly everything down is Not a Good Idea & as time goes on
More & more are questioning the validity & Reasons as all are bing effected by this response
And Very Few in a Positive Way.

Unfortunately some young & otherwise healthy people may/will die that will be a tiny %
No not at all pleasant if it’s one of our nearest & dearest - Though there’s always a risk
We will die of something unexpected from accident to health issues.

I’m not buying this 100% have to isolate & Lockdown Etc Business is entirely necessary
Or of benefit.

I don't disagree with you. Germany supposedly has a very low percentage of deaths from the novel coronavirus. Why do you suppose this is? I just today saw a photo of a Munich street with almost no one present and those few who were, were all wearing masks. In contrast their was a photo of a U.S. city street in a location where people are supposed to be staying home. The street was crowded with people almost none of which were wearing any visible protective gear. Could it be that some people are taking this more seriously than others?

How is it where you are? Are there many people out and about and are they wearing masks? Where I live, it seems like there is an abundance of people at the grocery store and only a few are wearing any manner of protection. So far, I've been one of them, since I've yet to wear the mask my son-in-law gave me. One of my stupid reasons for this is that it is a hospital grade mask and I feel like people will question why I have one when they are in very short supply and should be reserved for others who are on the front lines.   

[Flexacon]

This whole thing is a fraud.

New York may already be at apex of cases… – Cuomo

Direct link:
https://youtu.be/J3npY02SECs

Reporter asks ‘you are using only 16,000 beds, and you said you would need at least 110,000.’ As Tucker Carlson discussed Friday night, hospitalization rates nationwide are only about 15-20% of what the models predicted.

That might be because lockdown and distancing measures worked.

We will know in a few months what happens if you half ass those measures. Belarus, Sweden, Holland have gone with different strategies. Also Brazil and some 3rd world countries have poor measures in place. They will be the acid test.

[illuminati]

I don't disagree with you. Germany supposedly has a very low percentage of deaths from the novel coronavirus. Why do you suppose this is? I just today saw a photo of a Munich street with almost no one present and those few who were, were all wearing masks. In contrast their was a photo of a U.S. city street in a location where people are supposed to be staying home. The street was crowded with people almost none of which were wearing any visible protective gear. Could it be that some people are taking this more seriously than others?

How is it where you are? Are there many people out and about and are they wearing masks? Where I live, it seems like there is an abundance of people at the grocery store and only a few are wearing any manner of protection. So far, I've been one of them, since I've yet to wear the mask my son-in-law gave me. One of my stupid reasons for this is that it is a hospital grade mask and I feel like people will question why I have one when they are in very short supply and should be reserved for others who are on the front lines.   

I live in a small village & a town a couple of miles away - not many folk out couples / dog walkers/ & runners you see - most people I see are keeping a distance if they talk to somebody- Not many wearing masks around here probably 2 out of 10 at most - see a few more wearing them in the stores.

[Thin Lizzy]

This whole thing is a fraud.

New York may already be at apex of cases… – Cuomo

Direct link:
https://youtu.be/J3npY02SECs

Reporter asks ‘you are using only 16,000 beds, and you said you would need at least 110,000.’ As Tucker Carlson discussed Friday night, hospitalization rates nationwide are only about 15-20% of what the models predicted.

Fraud is the correct term:

We’re starting to get a picture of where these cases (positive test results) are occurring.

In my estimation, Chinese nationals would come to New York City for two reasons: business or tourism. Neither of those involve going to the fucking South Bronx. However, I’m sure someone, including the naive doofuses on this board, will come up with some idiotic excuse for why there’s more cases there than in Manhattan where the Chinese nationals would actually go.

BRONX RESIDENTS TWICE AS LIKELY TO DIE FROM COVID-19 IN NYC

http://thecity.nyc/2020/04/bronx-residents-twice-as-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-in-nyc.html


In The Bronx, which has long grappled with lower-than-average life expectancy and high incidence of chronic health conditions like asthma and diabetes, those infected with coronavirus die at a rate three times higher than those who live just a river away in Manhattan.

“Manhattan has more people but The Bronx has more than double the fatalities from COVID-19,” noted Councilmember Ritchie Torres (D-The Bronx), who tested positive for the virus last month and has asthma.

Pre-existing Conditions
Public health experts say it’s likely The Bronx’s elevated death rate is tied to the borough’s high rates of diabetes, asthma and hypertension, some of the nine illnesses linked with coronavirus complications.

Despite longtime efforts by health advocates and elected officials to change course, the borough ranks last among New York State’s 62 counties in the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation’s survey of health outcomes, including premature death.

[painfull86]

Typical anonymous cowardly keyboard warrior. You start shit with me and then when you get it back you immediately starting whining and crying. 

 


That pic out your wank bank creep?

[pellius]

Your pedophile fantasies are quite disturbing.

Still waiting for you to show your face, coward.

[painfull86]

Your pedophile fantasies are quite disturbing.

Still waiting for you to show your face, coward.

Ok though guy.

Just gotta be made homeless first so you can beat me up

[loco]

In other news, Getbig gimmick accounts are on the rise.   

[painfull86]

In other news, Getbig gimmick accounts are on the rise.   

If your referring to me I am just a long time lurker.

Been reading this soap opera since mower had his sammich.

[illuminati]

In other news, Getbig gimmick accounts are on the rise.   

Yes it certainly appears that way 🙄

Why such people want these accounts just to be fuckwits is beyond me
Must be very sad Deranged souls to get enjoyment from being retarded fuckwits.

[basil]

Well, I guess Getbig has settled it.  We no long need to listen to scientist and doctors.  A bunch of guys you went to high school with did all the research.

[illuminati]

Well, I guess Getbig has settled it.  We no long need to listen to scientist and doctors.  A bunch of guys you went to high school with did all the research.

👍🏻  Yes & Bill Gates - So we’ve No need to worry then.