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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3025 on: April 13, 2020, 03:11:48 PM »
Haha yet they are the only ones with an income right now...

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And many of them retire early with a pension and affordable health insurance until they are old enough for Medicare.

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« Reply #3026 on: April 13, 2020, 07:04:04 PM »
The anatomy of a sh*tshow




Trump’s propaganda-laden, off-the-rails coronavirus briefing


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-propaganda-laden-off-the-rails-coronavirus-briefing/ar-BB12zZlm

Near the start of his daily coronavirus briefing on Monday, President Trump made a statement that betrayed, better than just about anything, how he views the purpose of such briefings.


Before playing a campaign-style video intended to show his decisive action on the virus and to accuse his critics of being the actual culprits on downplaying the threat, Trump cued it up by talking about what he wanted to do after the it played.

“Most importantly,” he said, “we’re going to get back on to the reason we’re here, which is the success we’re having.”

Trump’s self-promotion, falsehoods and use of dodgy medical advice in these coronavirus briefings have already led to a dialogue about whether networks should even carry them live. And on Monday, he seemed to be daring all of them to stop, turning the whole thing into a spectacle of government-produced propaganda and even more personal score-settling and grievances.

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Most notable was the video that was played. In it, media figures were shown early in the outbreak comparing the virus to the seasonal flu, as Trump has been criticized for doing much later on. Other clips played up the impact of his ban on travel from China, while yet more showed Trump personally making pronouncements about the steps he was taking — even at a time he was repeatedly and much more strongly downplaying the threat of the virus.

Trump was pressed on the production of the video, and he said it was made by White House officials.

Trump proceeded to downplay many complaints about the federal response, going so far as to say that there is no problem with the number of ventilators and other equipment available. The reality is significantly different, according to the states.

Trump also at one point maintained, “Everything we did was right.” When pressed on the claim, he declined to restate it but cast blame on governors for not stockpiling more ventilators.

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It was soon noted that the video Trump had cued up left out a significant chunk of time in February — after the China travel ban and before Trump acknowledged the severity of the situation in mid-March — in which he didn’t take significant steps.

“What did you do in February?” CBS News’s Paula Reid asked.

Trump responded, “What do you do when you have no cases in the whole United States?” Reid rightly noted that there were actually cases in February, but Trump ignored it, refocusing on the lack of cases in mid-January. Pressed, he assured that the administration had in February done “a lot, and in fact we’ll give you a list."

Indeed, Trump repeatedly suggested a false choice between shutting down the economy in January and doing something lesser either then or in February, when health officials were reportedly asking for more significant warnings and social distancing. He suggested it would be foolish to shut down the economy when there were no or extremely few cases in January, while failing to enunciate any steps taken in February.

Trump also used the briefing to repeatedly suggest he had absolute power to deal with the situation, despite the Constitution and centuries of Supreme Court precedent. He said that he had “ultimate authority" and said, “The president of the United States has the authority to do what the president has the authority to do, which is very powerful. The president of the United States calls the shots.” He added later that “when somebody is the president of the United States, the authority is total, and that’s the way it’s gonna be.”

This is unquestionably false, but Vice President Pence backed him up later in the briefing.

“Make no mistake about it: In the long history of this country, the authority of the president of the United States during national emergencies is unquestionably plenary,” Pence said, using a synonym for “absolute.” “You can look back through times of war and other national emergencies. And as the president said, we’ll happily brief that.”

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Another key moment in the briefing came at the outset, when Trump welcomed one of the lead doctors on the coronavirus task force, Anthony S. Fauci, to address an apparent rift between him and Trump. Trump had on Sunday night retweeted a tweet that included a call for Fauci to be fired, after Fauci said in an interview earlier in the day that certain recommendations made by health officials hadn’t been heeded.

Fauci dealt with the subject obliquely, saying that when the officials “formally” asked for something amounting to a shutdown of large portions of the economy, Trump listened. In fact, though, the New York Times report he was responding to Sunday was not that the officials had asked for a shutdown, but that they had recommended in February that people be warned about the dangers of the virus and to encourage social distancing. Such guidelines weren’t actually made by Trump until mid-March.


Fauci, as he has done before, downplayed the idea that he and Trump were at odds — even as he has repeatedly said things that suggested as much. He was pressed on whether he was making the statement voluntarily, and he bristled.

“Everything I do is voluntarily,” he said. “Please don’t even imply that.”

Given the spectacle that surrounded him, though, it was hardly ridiculous to ask whether he was being compelled to toe a line that Trump had set. Everything else in these briefings has suggested a president who insists upon it — including the marshaling of government resources to provide a misleading narrative and a president who demands constant credit while ignoring the facts on the ground.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3027 on: April 13, 2020, 07:23:54 PM »
 call 911, dearth need help .............. :-\

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« Reply #3028 on: April 14, 2020, 01:26:08 AM »
dearth seems to think that people actually read his 3-4 page posts.

The more text the less chance of somebody reading it.

There is a reason Twitter is a success.

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« Reply #3029 on: April 14, 2020, 08:40:33 AM »
"If Trump had acted sooner the dinosaurs would still be alive."   -N. Pelosi.   
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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3030 on: April 14, 2020, 08:58:57 AM »
"If Trump had acted sooner the dinosaurs would still be alive."   -N. Pelosi.   

Lets stick to the facts.

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« Reply #3031 on: April 14, 2020, 08:59:29 AM »
https://twitter.com/robbysoave/status/1249826956897591298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1249826956897591298&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fnews%2Ftotal-authority-trumps-claim-presidential-024731814.html


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I am far from a knee-jerk critic of Trump, but this press briefing has to be one of the most embarrassing moments of his presidency. Just an utterly unhinged, childish temper tantrum.




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« Reply #3032 on: April 14, 2020, 10:35:12 AM »
In for some drama?

STEP 1: Grab a cup of coffee.
STEP 2: Click the Instagram app.
STEP 3: Type “Bill Gates”.
STEP 4: Read the comments on his last Instagram post.

They keep deleting comments but people come back for more.

If he ever considered being president, I guess this is a little taste 😂

I could only imagine Trump thinking to himself: that’s nothing, Bill.

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« Reply #3033 on: April 14, 2020, 10:51:28 AM »
https://twitter.com/robbysoave/status/1249826956897591298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1249826956897591298&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fnews%2Ftotal-authority-trumps-claim-presidential-024731814.html


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I am far from a knee-jerk critic of Trump, but this press briefing has to be one of the most embarrassing moments of his presidency. Just an utterly unhinged, childish temper tantrum.





Dearth this is not a real photo. It has been shopped.

Mr. President Trump is a full grown MAN, not a baby with an adults head.

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« Reply #3034 on: April 14, 2020, 11:11:33 AM »
dearth seems to believe anything on the internet!!

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« Reply #3035 on: April 14, 2020, 11:40:43 AM »
Dearth this is not a real photo. It has been shopped.

Mr. President Trump is a full grown MAN, not a baby with an adults head.

Those are his real hands tho  ;D

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« Reply #3036 on: April 14, 2020, 12:09:31 PM »
Dearth this is not a real photo. It has been shopped.

Mr. President Trump is a full grown MAN, not a baby with an adults head.

Hahahahaha I can't stop laughing at this.  ;D

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« Reply #3037 on: April 14, 2020, 04:36:50 PM »
Trump halts WHO funding  :D

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« Reply #3038 on: April 14, 2020, 04:43:51 PM »
NYC Adds Nearly 4,000 People Who Never Tested Positive To Coronavirus Death Tolls >:(

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/14/nyc-numbers-coronavirus-death-toll/

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New York City added nearly 4,000 people who never tested positive for the coronavirus to its death toll Tuesday, bringing coronavirus-related deaths in the city to around 10,000 people.

The city decided to add 3,700 people to its death tolls, who they “presumed” to have died from the virus, according to a report from The New York Times. The additions increased the death toll in the U.S. by 17%, according to the Times report, and included people who were suffering from symptoms of the virus, such as intense coughing and a fever. (RELATED: How The Coronavirus Is Infecting Americans’ Civil Liberties)

The Times stated:

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“A limited number of tests have been available, and until now, only deaths where a person had tested positive were counted among those killed by the virus in New York.”

“Breaking News: New York City’s coronavirus death toll soared past 10,000 after officials added more than 3,700 people who had never tested positive for the virus but were presumed to have died of it. https://t.co/NXpgwwltWi

“— The New York Times (@nytimes) April 14, 2020”

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The report stated that Democratic New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio decided over the weekend to change the way the city is counting deaths.

“In the heat of battle, our primary focus has been on saving lives,” de Blasio press secretary Freddi Goldstein told the Times.“ As soon as the issue was raised, the mayor immediately moved to release the data.”

The Times report added that health officials have had difficulty counting the exact number of deaths, because of the demographics who have been hit the hardest by the virus.

“Public health officials say that counting the dead from a pandemic disease like Covid-19 presents difficulties because many of those who die are older or suffering from other serious health conditions,” they wrote. “And the full effects of the outbreak on mortality in New York City, and around the country, could take many more months to study and understand.”

New York City is not the only city in the U.S. to include presumptive coronavirus deaths in their total. Several health departments in Ohio announced last week that they were going to begin including people who they “suspected” of having the virus. (RELATED: FLASHBACK: Jan. 21: Fauci Says Coronavirus ‘Not A Major Threat’ To U.S.)

Top White House coronavirus adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci dismissed concerns last week over inflated coronavirus death counts as a  “conspiracy theory.”

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« Reply #3039 on: April 14, 2020, 04:45:47 PM »
Dearth this is not a real photo. It has been shopped.

Mr. President Trump is a full grown MAN, not a baby with an adults head.

 ;D

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« Reply #3040 on: April 14, 2020, 05:12:26 PM »
NYC Adds Nearly 4,000 People Who Never Tested Positive To Coronavirus Death Tolls >:(

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/14/nyc-numbers-coronavirus-death-toll/

Top White House coronavirus adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci dismissed concerns last week over inflated coronavirus death counts as a  “conspiracy theory.”


It might not be a conspiracy ,but if the US -for whatever reason - is the only country in the world recording Coronavirus deaths this way , it simply underscores how difficult it is to compare how different countries are doing.


"Of the 63,927 people confirmed coronavirus patients in Italy, 6,077 so far have died. By contrast China has many more cases, 81,496, but 3,274 fatalities.

In very crude terms, this means that around nine per cent of confirmed coronavirus patients have died in Italy, compared to four per cent in China. By this measure Germany, which has so far identified 28,865 cases and 118 deaths, has a fatality rate of just 0.4 per cent.

So why the disparity?

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[Prof Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, added that Italy’s death rate appears high] because of how doctors record fatalities.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,” he says. ""



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/

http://www.euro.who.int/en/data-and-evidence/evidence-informed-policy-making/european-advisory-committee-on-health-research-eachr/committee-members/professor-walter-ricciardi-italy

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« Reply #3041 on: April 14, 2020, 05:23:05 PM »
Trump halts WHO funding  :D

Lol, great news.

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« Reply #3042 on: April 14, 2020, 05:55:29 PM »
Trumps lack of political correctness is refreshing

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« Reply #3043 on: April 14, 2020, 06:09:36 PM »
NYC Adds Nearly 4,000 People Who Never Tested Positive To Coronavirus Death Tolls >:(

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/14/nyc-numbers-coronavirus-death-toll/

Top White House coronavirus adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci dismissed concerns last week over inflated coronavirus death counts as a  “conspiracy theory.”



At first, I bought into it like everybody else but when I started to see the responses which were so irrational considering the scope of the problem, I started to smell a rat and eventually I figured out what this is really about, an economic reset and global currency devaluation:

I know how this plays out. To justify these interventions, they’re going to have to artificially bump up the victim numbers to the point where somebody gets hit by a truck and turns out to have a positive corona test is said to have died of corona.


Apparently I underestimated how far they would go. They included people who didn’t even test positive.


Brings back memories of this scene:

Bring out your dead (Monty Python)


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« Reply #3044 on: April 14, 2020, 06:15:50 PM »
Maybe they work FOR the government.

Exactly. They do whatever they are told and/or whatever they are paid to do. They don't work "in" anything they only work "for" whatever is in their best interest. And why not? They still get paid by the people who are no longer getting paid. Cut off their means to make a living and they would be singing a different tune. To them it's nothing that they they save lives while preventing a person's livelihood.

What do you do for a living? How are you able to get an income and keep a roof over your head and food on the table?

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« Reply #3045 on: April 14, 2020, 06:53:26 PM »
Trump halts WHO funding  :D


Wuhan Health Organisation

               

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« Reply #3046 on: April 14, 2020, 07:16:46 PM »
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/04/14/intel-officials-probe-whether-virus-escaped-from-a-chinese-lab/23986929/

Intel officials probe whether virus escaped from a Chinese lab.

We should watch out for propaganda but WTF are the chinese doing when it comes to Africans and the US Military.  Problem is, they can't get either story to stick but something stuck to a chinese lab worker when he went to buy some fish.     

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« Reply #3047 on: April 14, 2020, 08:39:11 PM »
Disgusting



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« Reply #3048 on: April 14, 2020, 10:08:09 PM »
Two more weeks and I can go back to the gym!

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« Reply #3049 on: April 14, 2020, 10:47:09 PM »
Two more weeks and I can go back to the gym!

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This is great news! Does it mean we all get to have no more reason to skip our workouts? I'd really, really like to get back to the gym. Time is probably shorter for me than it is for a lot of other Getbiggers.