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« Reply #3225 on: April 22, 2020, 08:02:49 PM »
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SPECIAL REPORT-HHS chief Azar had aide, former dog breeder, steer pandemic task force



WASHINGTON, April 22 (Reuters) - On January 21, the day the first U.S. case of coronavirus was reported, the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services appeared on Fox News to report the latest on the disease as it ravaged China. Alex Azar, a 52-year-old lawyer and former drug industry executive, assured Americans the U.S. government was prepared.


“We developed a diagnostic test at the CDC, so we can confirm if somebody has this,” Azar said. “We will be spreading that diagnostic around the country so that we are able to do rapid testing on site.”

While coronavirus in Wuhan, China, was “potentially serious,” Azar assured viewers in America, it “was one for which we have a playbook.”

Azar’s initial comments misfired on two fronts. Like many U.S. officials, from President Donald Trump on down, he underestimated the pandemic’s severity. He also overestimated his agency’s preparedness.

As is now widely known, two agencies Azar oversaw as HHS secretary, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration, wouldn’t come up with viable tests for five and half weeks, even as other countries and the World Health Organization had already prepared their own.

Shortly after his televised comments, Azar tapped a trusted aide with minimal public health experience to lead the agency’s day-to-day response to COVID-19. The aide, Brian Harrison, had joined the department after running a dog-breeding business for six years. Five sources say some officials in the White House derisively called him “the dog breeder.”

Slide 1 of 49: A man holds a sign as demonstrators take part in Operation Grid-Lock to Re-Open New York to protest against lockdown measures in the wake, during the outbreak of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19), at the New York State Capitol in Albany, New York, U.S., April 22, 2020.
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Azar’s optimistic public pronouncement and choice of an inexperienced manager are emblematic of his agency’s oft-troubled response to the crisis. His HHS is a behemoth department, overseeing almost every federal public health agency in the country, with a $1.3 trillion budget that exceeds the gross national product of most countries.

Azar and his top deputies oversaw health agencies that were slow to alert the public to the magnitude of the crisis, to produce a test to tell patients if they were sick, and to provide protective masks to hospitals even as physicians pleaded for them.

The first test created by the CDC, meant to be used by other labs, was plagued by a glitch that rendered it useless and wasn’t fixed for weeks. It wasn’t until March that tests by other labs went into production. The lack of tests “limited hospitals’ ability to monitor the health of patients and staff,” the HHS Inspector General said in a report this month. The equipment shortage “put staff and patients at risk.”

A promised virus surveillance program failed to take root, despite assurances Azar gave to Congress. Rather than share information, three current and three former government officials told Reuters, Azar and top staff sidelined key agencies that could have played a higher-profile role in addressing the pandemic. “It was a mess,” said a White House official who worked with HHS.

Officials across the government, from President Trump on down, have been blasted for America’s halting response to the pandemic. Critics inside and outside the administration say a meaningful share of the responsibility lies with HHS and Trump appointee Azar.

“You have to blame the problem on the virus, but it’s Azar's operation,” said Lynn Goldman, the dean of the public health school at George Washington University, who has served on advisory boards of the FDA and CDC. “And the buck stops there.”

HHS declined to make Azar available for an interview. Michael Caputo, the new chief HHS spokesman, declined to answer Reuters questions about Azar’s stewardship, saying in a statement: "We are communicating to the American public during a deadly pandemic.”

DALLAS LABRADOODLES

Azar is a Republican lawyer who once clerked for the late conservative Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia and counts current Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh as a friend. Under George W. Bush, Azar worked for HHS as general counsel and deputy secretary. During the Obama years, he cycled through the private sector as a pharmaceutical company lobbyist and executive for Eli Lilly. After Trump’s first HHS secretary was forced out in a travel corruption scandal, Azar stepped in, in January 2018.

Two years later, at the dawn of the coronavirus crisis, Azar appointed his most trusted aide and chief of staff, Harrison, as HHS’s main coordinator for the government’s response to the virus.

Harrison, 37, was an unusual choice, with no formal education in public health, management, or medicine and with only limited experience in the fields. In 2006, he joined HHS in a one-year stint as a “Confidential Assistant” to Azar, who was then deputy secretary. He also had posts working for Vice President Dick Cheney, the Department of Defense and a Washington public relations company.

Before joining the Trump Administration in January 2018, Harrison’s official HHS biography says, he “ran a small business in Texas.” The biography does not disclose the name or nature of that business, but his personal financial disclosure forms show that from 2012 until 2018 he ran a company called Dallas Labradoodles.

The company sells Australian Labradoodles, a breed that is a cross between a Labrador Retriever and a Poodle. He sold it in April 2018, his financial disclosure form said. HHS emailed Reuters that the sales price was $225,000.

At HHS, Harrison was initially deputy chief of staff before being promoted, in the summer of 2019, to replace Azar’s first chief of staff, Peter Urbanowicz, an experienced hospital executive with decades of experience in public health.

This January, Harrison became a key manager of the HHS virus response. “Everyone had to report up through him,” said one HHS official.

One questionable decision, three sources say, came that month, after the White House announced it was convening a coronavirus task force. The HHS role was to muster resources from key public health agencies: the CDC, FDA, National Institutes of Health, Office of Global Affairs and the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response.

Harrison decided, the sources say, to exclude FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn from the task force. “He said he didn’t need to be included,” said one official with knowledge of the matter.

When task force members were announced January 29, neither Hahn nor the FDA were included. Hahn wasn’t put on the task force until Vice President Mike Pence took over in February. Two of Hahn’s high-profile counterparts were on it from the start: CDC director Robert Redfield and Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

The HHS denied it was Harrison’s decision to leave out Hahn and the FDA, but declined to say who made the call. The agency lauded Harrison’s work on the task force.

In a statement, Hahn said the FDA was focused on the coronavirus epidemic, “not on when we were added to the task force,” and that the agency was not “excluded.”

Fauci, who has become a public face of the Trump Administration’s COVID-19 effort, said he wasn’t sure including the FDA was necessary at the start. Initially, the Chinese government was saying the virus spread through animals, not human to human, he said. “You would include the FDA when you want to expedite drugs or devices,” Fauci said.

Others said the lack of a strong FDA role early on had direct consequences. Two sources familiar with events say the White House wasn’t getting information from the FDA about the state of the testing effort, a crucial element of the coronavirus response.

Reached by phone, Harrison declined to answer Reuters’ questions. In a later statement, he did not address questions about the task force but said he was proud of his work history. “Americans would be well served by having more government officials who have started and worked in small family businesses and fewer trying to use that experience to attack them and distort the record,” he wrote.

In a statement to Reuters, Azar said Harrison has been an asset. “From day one, Brian has demonstrated remarkable leadership and managerial talents,” Azar wrote.

LOW RISK?

In the pandemic’s early days, Azar offered words of both concern and assurance in public. On January 31, a day after the WHO declared COVID-19 a global health emergency, Azar declared it a public health emergency.

That same day, during the first Coronavirus Task Force briefing, Azar told the public: “I want to stress: The risk of infection for Americans remains low.”

The United States, he said, had taken adequate precautions. Travel restrictions and 14 day quarantines on Americans who had been to Wuhan, where the virus originated, were imposed. Americans returning from other parts of China had to self-quarantine.


The next week, on February 7, in another press conference, Azar repeated the message. “The immediate risk to the American public is low at this time,” he announced.

Behind the scenes, his aides say, Azar had alerted the White House in early January, and then later that month spoke directly to the president. It is unclear exactly what Azar told the president, because transcripts are not available.

“There’s a lot of CYA going on,” said one senior administration official, who said Azar never spelled out that stockpiles of protective equipment might be inadequate or the tests were not working. “We were told the test was ready. That turned out to be flat-out wrong.”

Trump denied Azar sent out alarms. “@SecAzar told me nothing until later,” he tweeted earlier this month.

Meanwhile, Azar continued to say “the immediate risk” to Americans was low and that travel restrictions had worked. “So I think so far, our measures have been quite effective,” he told NPR on February 14.

Others were raising alarms. “It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen any more, but rather more of a question of exactly when this will happen,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said at a February 25 news briefing.

MORE GLITCHES

Responding to Congressional concerns, Azar said HHS had launched a coronavirus surveillance system in five cities. The plan was to test patients who showed up with flu symptoms, to see if they actually were infected with the novel coronavirus.

But the system was either delayed or not implemented in the cities and now is seen by epidemiologists as irrelevant given the massive community spread and continued inadequate testing.

By the end of February, Azar sought more money to attack the crisis as he testified before Congress. “This is an unprecedented potentially severe health challenge globally, and will require additional measures,” he said.

Still, he assured senators his agency was in control. “We have enacted the most aggressive containment measures in the history of our country,” he said.

He again provided words of calm, appearing on Fox News. “But thanks to President Trump's historically aggressive containment efforts, we've actually contained the spread of this virus here in the United States at this point,” he said February 25. “I think part of the message to the American people is we all need to take a bit of deep breath here.”

“The government is working on this. You've got the right people on this.”

By the end of February, Azar and Harrison were no longer running the White House task force. That month, Vice President Pence took control. The FDA and Hahn are now actively involved. A Pence spokesperson said the issue of precluding the FDA from the task force “pre-dates the VP’s leadership” and declined further comment.

Azar seemed caught off guard by the change. “I’m still chairman of the task force,” he told the press after Pence took over.

Given Azar’s early struggles, the White House should have taken a stronger role over the task force from the outset, said Ashish Jha, director of Harvard University’s Global Health Institute. “It was very clear that Azar wasn’t able to marshal the forces across the government like he needed to,” he said.

Jeffrey Flier, a former Harvard Medical School dean, said the HHS role remains as vital as ever. As of Wednesday, 45,336 Americans have died of COVID-19, and more than 800,000 have been infected.

“Clearly there was a need for better coordination of the FDA and CDC and other agencies,” he said. “HHS has to be operating effectively in a crisis like this.” (Reporting by Aram Roston and Marisa Taylor in Washington. Editing by Ronnie Greene)

WTF is it with you & walls of Text 🙄
Far to long /boring & Likely full of crap to want to read it all
I did see it says something about 45,000 dead due to Chi Nah Virus, How do you know that is
A accurate No. how many autopsies were carried out ?  How many died of other symptoms/ complications?

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3226 on: April 22, 2020, 08:19:17 PM »
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/special-report-hhs-chief-azar-had-aide-former-dog-breeder-steer-pandemic-task-force/ar-BB133s3f

SPECIAL REPORT-HHS chief Azar had aide, former dog breeder, steer pandemic task force



WASHINGTON, April 22 (Reuters) - On January 21, the day the first U.S. case of coronavirus was reported, the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services appeared on Fox News to report the latest on the disease as it ravaged China. Alex Azar, a 52-year-old lawyer and former drug industry executive, assured Americans the U.S. government was prepared.


“We developed a diagnostic test at the CDC, so we can confirm if somebody has this,” Azar said. “We will be spreading that diagnostic around the country so that we are able to do rapid testing on site.”

While coronavirus in Wuhan, China, was “potentially serious,” Azar assured viewers in America, it “was one for which we have a playbook.”

Azar’s initial comments misfired on two fronts. Like many U.S. officials, from President Donald Trump on down, he underestimated the pandemic’s severity. He also overestimated his agency’s preparedness.

As is now widely known, two agencies Azar oversaw as HHS secretary, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration, wouldn’t come up with viable tests for five and half weeks, even as other countries and the World Health Organization had already prepared their own.

Shortly after his televised comments, Azar tapped a trusted aide with minimal public health experience to lead the agency’s day-to-day response to COVID-19. The aide, Brian Harrison, had joined the department after running a dog-breeding business for six years. Five sources say some officials in the White House derisively called him “the dog breeder.”

Slide 1 of 49: A man holds a sign as demonstrators take part in Operation Grid-Lock to Re-Open New York to protest against lockdown measures in the wake, during the outbreak of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19), at the New York State Capitol in Albany, New York, U.S., April 22, 2020.
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A man holds a sign as demonstrators take part in Operation Grid-Lock to Re-Open New York to protest against lockdown measures in the wake, during the outbreak of coronavirus in Albany, New York on April 22.
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Azar’s optimistic public pronouncement and choice of an inexperienced manager are emblematic of his agency’s oft-troubled response to the crisis. His HHS is a behemoth department, overseeing almost every federal public health agency in the country, with a $1.3 trillion budget that exceeds the gross national product of most countries.

Azar and his top deputies oversaw health agencies that were slow to alert the public to the magnitude of the crisis, to produce a test to tell patients if they were sick, and to provide protective masks to hospitals even as physicians pleaded for them.

The first test created by the CDC, meant to be used by other labs, was plagued by a glitch that rendered it useless and wasn’t fixed for weeks. It wasn’t until March that tests by other labs went into production. The lack of tests “limited hospitals’ ability to monitor the health of patients and staff,” the HHS Inspector General said in a report this month. The equipment shortage “put staff and patients at risk.”

A promised virus surveillance program failed to take root, despite assurances Azar gave to Congress. Rather than share information, three current and three former government officials told Reuters, Azar and top staff sidelined key agencies that could have played a higher-profile role in addressing the pandemic. “It was a mess,” said a White House official who worked with HHS.

Officials across the government, from President Trump on down, have been blasted for America’s halting response to the pandemic. Critics inside and outside the administration say a meaningful share of the responsibility lies with HHS and Trump appointee Azar.

“You have to blame the problem on the virus, but it’s Azar's operation,” said Lynn Goldman, the dean of the public health school at George Washington University, who has served on advisory boards of the FDA and CDC. “And the buck stops there.”

HHS declined to make Azar available for an interview. Michael Caputo, the new chief HHS spokesman, declined to answer Reuters questions about Azar’s stewardship, saying in a statement: "We are communicating to the American public during a deadly pandemic.”

DALLAS LABRADOODLES

Azar is a Republican lawyer who once clerked for the late conservative Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia and counts current Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh as a friend. Under George W. Bush, Azar worked for HHS as general counsel and deputy secretary. During the Obama years, he cycled through the private sector as a pharmaceutical company lobbyist and executive for Eli Lilly. After Trump’s first HHS secretary was forced out in a travel corruption scandal, Azar stepped in, in January 2018.

Two years later, at the dawn of the coronavirus crisis, Azar appointed his most trusted aide and chief of staff, Harrison, as HHS’s main coordinator for the government’s response to the virus.

Harrison, 37, was an unusual choice, with no formal education in public health, management, or medicine and with only limited experience in the fields. In 2006, he joined HHS in a one-year stint as a “Confidential Assistant” to Azar, who was then deputy secretary. He also had posts working for Vice President Dick Cheney, the Department of Defense and a Washington public relations company.

Before joining the Trump Administration in January 2018, Harrison’s official HHS biography says, he “ran a small business in Texas.” The biography does not disclose the name or nature of that business, but his personal financial disclosure forms show that from 2012 until 2018 he ran a company called Dallas Labradoodles.

The company sells Australian Labradoodles, a breed that is a cross between a Labrador Retriever and a Poodle. He sold it in April 2018, his financial disclosure form said. HHS emailed Reuters that the sales price was $225,000.

At HHS, Harrison was initially deputy chief of staff before being promoted, in the summer of 2019, to replace Azar’s first chief of staff, Peter Urbanowicz, an experienced hospital executive with decades of experience in public health.

This January, Harrison became a key manager of the HHS virus response. “Everyone had to report up through him,” said one HHS official.

One questionable decision, three sources say, came that month, after the White House announced it was convening a coronavirus task force. The HHS role was to muster resources from key public health agencies: the CDC, FDA, National Institutes of Health, Office of Global Affairs and the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response.

Harrison decided, the sources say, to exclude FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn from the task force. “He said he didn’t need to be included,” said one official with knowledge of the matter.

When task force members were announced January 29, neither Hahn nor the FDA were included. Hahn wasn’t put on the task force until Vice President Mike Pence took over in February. Two of Hahn’s high-profile counterparts were on it from the start: CDC director Robert Redfield and Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

The HHS denied it was Harrison’s decision to leave out Hahn and the FDA, but declined to say who made the call. The agency lauded Harrison’s work on the task force.

In a statement, Hahn said the FDA was focused on the coronavirus epidemic, “not on when we were added to the task force,” and that the agency was not “excluded.”

Fauci, who has become a public face of the Trump Administration’s COVID-19 effort, said he wasn’t sure including the FDA was necessary at the start. Initially, the Chinese government was saying the virus spread through animals, not human to human, he said. “You would include the FDA when you want to expedite drugs or devices,” Fauci said.

Others said the lack of a strong FDA role early on had direct consequences. Two sources familiar with events say the White House wasn’t getting information from the FDA about the state of the testing effort, a crucial element of the coronavirus response.

Reached by phone, Harrison declined to answer Reuters’ questions. In a later statement, he did not address questions about the task force but said he was proud of his work history. “Americans would be well served by having more government officials who have started and worked in small family businesses and fewer trying to use that experience to attack them and distort the record,” he wrote.

In a statement to Reuters, Azar said Harrison has been an asset. “From day one, Brian has demonstrated remarkable leadership and managerial talents,” Azar wrote.

LOW RISK?

In the pandemic’s early days, Azar offered words of both concern and assurance in public. On January 31, a day after the WHO declared COVID-19 a global health emergency, Azar declared it a public health emergency.

That same day, during the first Coronavirus Task Force briefing, Azar told the public: “I want to stress: The risk of infection for Americans remains low.”

The United States, he said, had taken adequate precautions. Travel restrictions and 14 day quarantines on Americans who had been to Wuhan, where the virus originated, were imposed. Americans returning from other parts of China had to self-quarantine.


The next week, on February 7, in another press conference, Azar repeated the message. “The immediate risk to the American public is low at this time,” he announced.

Behind the scenes, his aides say, Azar had alerted the White House in early January, and then later that month spoke directly to the president. It is unclear exactly what Azar told the president, because transcripts are not available.

“There’s a lot of CYA going on,” said one senior administration official, who said Azar never spelled out that stockpiles of protective equipment might be inadequate or the tests were not working. “We were told the test was ready. That turned out to be flat-out wrong.”

Trump denied Azar sent out alarms. “@SecAzar told me nothing until later,” he tweeted earlier this month.

Meanwhile, Azar continued to say “the immediate risk” to Americans was low and that travel restrictions had worked. “So I think so far, our measures have been quite effective,” he told NPR on February 14.

Others were raising alarms. “It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen any more, but rather more of a question of exactly when this will happen,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said at a February 25 news briefing.

MORE GLITCHES

Responding to Congressional concerns, Azar said HHS had launched a coronavirus surveillance system in five cities. The plan was to test patients who showed up with flu symptoms, to see if they actually were infected with the novel coronavirus.

But the system was either delayed or not implemented in the cities and now is seen by epidemiologists as irrelevant given the massive community spread and continued inadequate testing.

By the end of February, Azar sought more money to attack the crisis as he testified before Congress. “This is an unprecedented potentially severe health challenge globally, and will require additional measures,” he said.

Still, he assured senators his agency was in control. “We have enacted the most aggressive containment measures in the history of our country,” he said.

He again provided words of calm, appearing on Fox News. “But thanks to President Trump's historically aggressive containment efforts, we've actually contained the spread of this virus here in the United States at this point,” he said February 25. “I think part of the message to the American people is we all need to take a bit of deep breath here.”

“The government is working on this. You've got the right people on this.”

By the end of February, Azar and Harrison were no longer running the White House task force. That month, Vice President Pence took control. The FDA and Hahn are now actively involved. A Pence spokesperson said the issue of precluding the FDA from the task force “pre-dates the VP’s leadership” and declined further comment.

Azar seemed caught off guard by the change. “I’m still chairman of the task force,” he told the press after Pence took over.

Given Azar’s early struggles, the White House should have taken a stronger role over the task force from the outset, said Ashish Jha, director of Harvard University’s Global Health Institute. “It was very clear that Azar wasn’t able to marshal the forces across the government like he needed to,” he said.

Jeffrey Flier, a former Harvard Medical School dean, said the HHS role remains as vital as ever. As of Wednesday, 45,336 Americans have died of COVID-19, and more than 800,000 have been infected.

“Clearly there was a need for better coordination of the FDA and CDC and other agencies,” he said. “HHS has to be operating effectively in a crisis like this.” (Reporting by Aram Roston and Marisa Taylor in Washington. Editing by Ronnie Greene)

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3227 on: April 22, 2020, 11:47:47 PM »
Bro...

I got thru 70% of it I think lol

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« Reply #3228 on: April 23, 2020, 12:33:35 AM »
I got thru 70% of it I think lol

Some people are good at internets

Some, not so good

I don't even try to read his copy/paste books and I doubt anybody either. Make your arguments and the if you want to back it up post a link. Anybody can just copy and paste all day.

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« Reply #3229 on: April 23, 2020, 01:07:44 AM »
Trump will be needed more than ever to rebuild the economy and take China to task, the whole world looks to him, I wasn't a fan as a a more traditional republican type, but his can do attitude and lack of political correctness is a breath of fresh air.  The world needs Trump now not just the US.

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« Reply #3230 on: April 23, 2020, 01:18:47 AM »
its turning

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8245313/Fury-endless-showreel-NHS-staff-dancing-fooling-coronavirus-crisis.html

yes, plenty time on their hands to fuck about, wonder how many takes it took to get it right before they were happy to post it

I had a fucking nightmare last year at the hands of the NHS, they treated me worse than a fucking dog

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« Reply #3231 on: April 23, 2020, 02:37:18 PM »
Basically it’s an economic war with the US, Japan and Europe against China. The investment side of China’s economy is a disaster as a result of failed central planning for the last 10 years. Their banking sector is 4 times the size of GDP and is loaded with bad loans. As a result, the currency is way overvalued.

The shutdown and devaluation is going to kill the other half of China’s economy, the export sector. The economic pain is the “sacrifice” we have to make for this war. Interesting, how this crisis occurred almost immediately after trade talks between the US and China broke down.

The other option would’ve been to allow the dollar, Euro and Yen to appreciate dramatically against the Yuan. The problem with that is that it would increase the real value of debt for countries that already have high Debt loads and also make exports not competitive with China. It’s really a race to the bottom.

As an aside, I have to laugh at the tools who are calling people conspiracy theorists  because they have the nerve to question why  death rates from this virus are higher in black and Hispanic areas of new York city than they are in the area of China where the virus actually started.




Hong Kong has basically said that China has lied about their numbers.

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« Reply #3232 on: April 23, 2020, 03:21:05 PM »
Hong Kong has basically said that China has lied about their numbers.

Basically?

Didnt they want to go into any detail?

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« Reply #3233 on: April 23, 2020, 03:24:49 PM »
Basically it’s an economic war with the US, Japan and Europe against China. The investment side of China’s economy is a disaster as a result of failed central planning for the last 10 years. Their banking sector is 4 times the size of GDP and is loaded with bad loans. As a result, the currency is way overvalued.

The shutdown and devaluation is going to kill the other half of China’s economy, the export sector. The economic pain is the “sacrifice” we have to make for this war. Interesting, how this crisis occurred almost immediately after trade talks between the US and China broke down.

The other option would’ve been to allow the dollar, Euro and Yen to appreciate dramatically against the Yuan. The problem with that is that it would increase the real value of debt for countries that already have high Debt loads and also make exports not competitive with China. It’s really a race to the bottom.

As an aside, I have to laugh at the tools who are calling people conspiracy theorists  because they have the nerve to question why  death rates from this virus are higher in black and Hispanic areas of new York city than they are in the area of China where the virus actually started.




Only on Getbig a man who can't tell the difference between linear and exponential growth makes forecasts about the Global Economy.

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« Reply #3234 on: April 23, 2020, 03:55:26 PM »
Basically?

Didnt they want to go into any detail?

How they counted deaths and cases at the start was very different to how they count now. Also a few days ago they decided to up the the death count in Wuhan by exactly 50% because everyone was calling their data BS

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« Reply #3235 on: April 23, 2020, 04:01:24 PM »
How they counted deaths and cases at the start was very different to how they count now. Also a few days ago they decided to up the the death count in Wuhan by exactly 50% because everyone was calling their data BS

wasnt it basically 50%?

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« Reply #3236 on: April 23, 2020, 04:04:04 PM »
wasnt it basically 50%?

Basically it’s 50% of Basically what they Basically stated Basically 🤔

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« Reply #3237 on: April 23, 2020, 04:10:44 PM »
Basically it’s 50% of Basically what they Basically stated Basically 🤔

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Basically I think you are right about the basics.  ;D

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« Reply #3238 on: April 23, 2020, 04:11:30 PM »
wasnt it basically 50%?

I spoke about China initially and later gave you exact percentages for Wuhan. So no it wasn't basically 50% moron.

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« Reply #3239 on: April 23, 2020, 04:12:29 PM »
Basically it’s 50% of Basically what they Basically stated Basically 🤔

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Basically I think you are right about the basics.  ;D

More morons joining the party

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« Reply #3240 on: April 23, 2020, 04:20:01 PM »

Only on Getbig a man who can't tell the difference between linear and exponential growth makes forecasts about the Global Economy.

I can one up that.

I got morons who basically can't tell the difference between a City and Country even though they have completely different names.

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« Reply #3241 on: April 23, 2020, 04:20:46 PM »
More morons joining the party

You’re in the party so you’re calling yourself a Moron also
Not to Bright are you 🙄 - Trying to insult others & Showing Yourself Up
Is Best you Keep Quiet.

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Learn to Laugh & Have a Joke
Life will be over before you know it.

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« Reply #3242 on: April 23, 2020, 04:22:31 PM »
Basically I think you are right about the basics.  ;D

Well on that basis I Basically Agree with Basics 👍🏻

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« Reply #3243 on: April 23, 2020, 04:25:08 PM »
You’re in the party so you’re calling yourself a Moron also
Not to Bright are you 🙄 - Trying to insult others & Showing Yourself Up
Is Best you Keep Quiet.

PS.
Learn to Laugh & Have a Joke
Life will be over before you know it.

When I post like a moron on here I do it intentionally to amuse myself. Sadly it's not intentional when some of you do it..

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« Reply #3244 on: April 23, 2020, 04:35:34 PM »
When I post like a moron on here I do it intentionally to amuse myself. Sadly it's not intentional when some of you do it..

Dug your stupid self into a hole with your Moron post didn’t you,
And now your compounding it by this last post of yours as you’re unable to
Recognise That Other are intentionally post in such a manner to Amuse Themselves 🙄
FFS - just admit you got it wrong - Helpful Tip = When in a Hole STOP Digging.


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« Reply #3245 on: April 23, 2020, 04:36:48 PM »
yes, plenty time on their hands to fuck about, wonder how many takes it took to get it right before they were happy to post it

I had a fucking nightmare last year at the hands of the NHS, they treated me worse than a fucking dog

Haha

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« Reply #3246 on: April 23, 2020, 04:48:07 PM »
Dug your stupid self into a hole with your Moron post didn’t you,
And now your compounding it by this last post of yours as you’re unable to
Recognise That Other are intentionally post in such a manner to Amuse Themselves 🙄
FFS - just admit you got it wrong - Helpful Tip = When in a Hole STOP Digging.



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« Reply #3247 on: April 23, 2020, 05:01:59 PM »
I'm playing chess with a pigeon




Hey Stupid 10/10 For Trying
Carry on digging Son

Never try talking to a dead person as they’re dead & don’t know it
Same as talking to an idiot like you They’re an Idiot & Don’t Know it.

Bye Bye 👋🏻👋🏻


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« Reply #3248 on: April 23, 2020, 05:14:30 PM »
Nearly 12,000 and the moron still can't use the quote function properly


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« Reply #3249 on: April 23, 2020, 05:29:03 PM »
The portrait of a great leader



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/home-alone-at-the-white-house-a-sour-president-with-tv-his-constant-companion/ar-BB1371jY




Home Alone at the White House: A Sour President, With TV His Constant Companion


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WASHINGTON — President Trump arrives in the Oval Office these days as late as noon, when he is usually in a sour mood after his morning marathon of television.

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He has been up in the White House master bedroom as early as 5 a.m. watching Fox News, then CNN, with a dollop of MSNBC thrown in for rage viewing. He makes calls with the TV on in the background, his routine since he first arrived at the White House.

But now there are differences.

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The president sees few allies no matter which channel he clicks. He is angry even with Fox, an old security

ork, closely monitoring for a sporadic compliment or snipe.

Confined to the White House, the president is isolated from the supporters, visitors, travel and golf that once entertained him, according to more than a dozen administration officials and close advisers who spoke about Mr. Trump’s strange new life. He is tested weekly, as is Vice President Mike Pence, for Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

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The economy — Mr. Trump’s main case for re-election — has imploded. News coverage of his handling of the coronavirus has been overwhelmingly negative as Democrats have condemned him for a lack of empathy, honesty and competence in the face of a pandemic. Even Republicans have criticized Mr. Trump’s briefings as long-winded and his rough handling of critics as unproductive.

His own internal polling shows him sliding in some swing states, a major reason he declared a temporary halt to the issuance of green cards to those outside the United States. The executive order — watered down with loopholes after an uproar from business groups — was aimed at pleasing his political base, people close to him said, and was the kind of move Mr. Trump makes when things feel out of control. Friends who have spoken to him said he seemed unsettled and worried about losing the election.

But the president’s primary focus, advisers said, is assessing how his performance on the virus is measured in the news media, and the extent to which history will blame him.

“He’s frustrated,” said Stephen Moore, an outside economic adviser to Mr. Trump who was the president’s pick to run the Federal Reserve before his history of sexist comments and lack of child support payments surfaced. “It’s like being hit with a meteor.”

Mr. Trump frequently vents about how he is portrayed. He was enraged by an article this month in which his health secretary, Alex M. Azar II, was said to have warned Mr. Trump in January about the possibility of a pandemic. Mr. Trump was upset that he was being blamed while Mr. Azar was portrayed in a more favorable light, aides said. The president told friends that he assumed Mr. Azar was working the news media to try to save his own reputation at the expense of Mr. Trump’s.

a woman standing in front of a mirror posing for the camera: Hope Hicks, a counselor to the president, in 2018. She has taken over managing Mr. Trump’s schedule.© Doug Mills/The New York Times Hope Hicks, a counselor to the president, in 2018. She has taken over managing Mr. Trump’s schedule.
Aides said the president’s low point was in mid-March, when Mr. Trump, who had dismissed the virus as “one person coming in from China” and no worse than the flu, saw deaths and infections from Covid-19 rising daily. Mike Lindell, a Trump donor campaign surrogate and the chief executive of MyPillow, visited the White House later that month and said the president seemed so glum that Mr. Lindell pulled out his phone to show him a text message from a Democratic-voting friend of his who thought Mr. Trump was doing a good job.

a large white building: Mr. Trump usually starts and ends his day watching television.© Anna Moneymaker/The New York Times Mr. Trump usually starts and ends his day watching television.
Mr. Lindell said Mr. Trump perked up after hearing the praise. “I just wanted to give him a little confidence,” Mr. Lindell said.

The Daily Briefings

The daily White House coronavirus task force briefing is the one portion of the day that Mr. Trump looks forward to, although even Republicans say that the two hours of political attacks, grievances and falsehoods by the president are hurting him politically.

Mr. Trump will hear none of it. Aides say he views them as prime-time shows that are the best substitute for the rallies he can longer attend but craves.

Mr. Trump rarely attends the task force meetings that precede the briefings, and he typically does not prepare before he steps in front of the cameras. He is often seeing the final version of the day’s main talking points that aides have prepared for him for the first time although aides said he makes tweaks with a Sharpie just before he reads them live. He hastily plows through them, usually in a monotone, in order to get to the question-and-answer bullying session with reporters that he relishes.

The briefing’s critics, including Mr. Cuomo, have pointed out the obvious: With two hours of the president’s day dedicated to hosting what is still referred to as a prime-time news briefing, who is going to actually fix the pandemic?

Even Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, one of the experts appointed to advise the president on the best way to handle the outbreak, has complained that the amount of time he must spend onstage in the briefings each day has a “draining” effect on him.

They have the opposite effect on the president. How he arrived at them was almost an accident.

Mr. Trump became enraged watching the coverage of his 10-minute Oval Office address in March that was rife with inaccuracies and had little in terms of action for him to announce. He complained to aides that there were few people on television willing to defend him.

The solution, aides said, came two days later, when Mr. Trump appeared in the Rose Garden to declare a national emergency and answer questions from reporters. As he admonished journalists for asking “nasty” questions, Mr. Trump found the back-and-forth he had been missing. The virus had not been a perfect enemy — it was impervious to his browbeating — but baiting and attacking reporters energized him.

“I don’t take responsibility at all,” Mr. Trump told White House correspondents in answer to one question.

His first news conference in the briefing room took place the next day, on a Saturday, after Mr. Trump arrived unannounced in the Situation Room, wearing a polo shirt and baseball cap, and told the group he planned to attend the briefing and watch from a chair on the side. When aides told him that reporters would simply yell questions at him, even if he was not on the small stage, he agreed to take the podium. He has not looked back since.

When Mr. Trump finishes up 90 or more minutes later, he heads back to the Oval Office to watch the end of the briefings on TV and compare notes with whoever is around from his inner circle.

The New Pecking Order

That circle has shrunk significantly as the president, who advisers say is more sensitive to criticism than at nearly any other point in his presidency, has come to rely on only a handful of longtime aides.

Hope Hicks, a former communications director who rejoined the White House this year as counselor to the president, maintains his daily schedule. His former personal assistant, Johnny McEntee, now runs presidential personnel.

Ms. Hicks and Mr. McEntee, along with Dan Scavino, the president’s social media guru who was promoted this week to deputy chief of staff for communications, provide Mr. Trump with a link to the better old days. The three are the ones outside advisers get in touch with to find out if it’s a good time to reach the president or pass on a message.

Mark Meadows, Mr. Trump’s new chief of staff, is still finding his footing and adjusting to the nocturnal habits of Mr. Trump, who recently placed a call to Mr. Meadows, a senior administration official said, at 3:19 a.m. Mr. Meadows works closely with another trusted insider: Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law and de facto chief of staff.

“They have been really confined and figuratively imprisoned,” Matthew Dallek, a political historian at George Washington University, said about presidents who have kept close to the White House in times of crisis.

While many officials have been encouraged to work remotely and the Old Executive Office Building is empty, the West Wing’s tight quarters are still packed. Mr. Pence and his top aides, usually stationed across the street, are working exclusively from the White House, along with most of the senior aides, who dine from the takeout mess while the in-house dining room remains closed. Few aides wear masks except for Matthew Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser, and some of his staff.

The Day Ends as It Began

As soon as he gets to the Oval Office, the president often receives his daily intelligence briefing, and Mr. Pence sometimes joins him. Then there are meetings with his national security team or economic advisers.

Throughout the day, Mr. Trump calls governors, will have lunch with cabinet secretaries and pores over newspapers, which he treats like official briefing books and reads primarily in paper clippings that aides bring to him. He calls aides about stories he sees, either to order them to get a world leader on the phone or to ask questions about something he has read.

Many friends said they were less likely to call Mr. Trump’s cellphone, assuming he does not want to hear their advice. Those who do reach him said phone calls have grown more clipped: Conversations that used to last 20 minutes now wrap up in three.

Mr. Trump will still take calls from Brad Parscale, his campaign manager, on the latest on polling data. The president will in turn call Mr. Meadows and Kellyanne Conway about key congressional races.

The president’s aides have slowly lined up more opportunities to keep him engaged. Last week, a small group of coronavirus survivors were led into the White House, and Mr. Trump took one of them to see the White House physician. Then Mr. Trump hosted a celebration of America’s truckers on the South Lawn.

After he is done watching the end of the daily White House briefing — which goes seven days a week, sometimes as late as 8 p.m. — Mr. Trump eats his usual comfort foods, including French fries, in his private dining room off the Oval Office. He asks staff members who may still be around for an assessment of how the briefing went.

Lately, aides say, his mood has started to brighten as his administration moves to open the economy. His new line, both in public and in private, is that there is reason to be optimistic.

“And at the end of that tunnel, we see light,” Mr. Trump said in the Rose Garden last week.

If he is not staying late in the West Wing, Mr. Trump occasionally has dinner with his wife, Melania Trump, and their son, Barron, who recently celebrated his 14th birthday at home.

By the end of the day, Mr. Trump turns back to his constant companion, television. Upstairs in the White House private quarters — often in his own bedroom or in a nearby den — he flicks from channel to channel, reviewing his performance.