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« Reply #3825 on: May 28, 2020, 08:33:22 AM »
Heartbreaking Data: 42 Percent of US Coronavirus Deaths Are Linked to Nursing Homes, Where Less Than One Percent of Americans Live
Townhall ^ | 05/28/2020 | Guy Benson
Posted on 5/28/2020, 11:30:04 AM by SeekAndFind

The heartbreaking statistic relayed in my headline is not, as some have suggested, an attempt to diminish the tragedy of the tens of thousands of Americans who have died as a result of lethal Coronavirus outbreaks at nursing homes and long-term care facilities.  Every human life has value and dignity, and losing so many aging Americans to this virulent disease is gut-wrenching.  The point is not that older lives lost do not matter.  The point is that as we make difficult public policy decisions about public health and reopening the economy, extraordinary efforts must be undertaken to mitigate the deadly impact of isolated hotspots that arise as the virus sweeps through communities that are exclusively populated by the most vulnerable members of our society.  These numbers, released earlier this week, are staggering and important:

New @FREOPP: Updated report on #COVID19 nursing home fatalities with the latest data as of Friday. https://t.co/ylZ5EqAzWY Nursing homes & assisted living facilities now represent 42% of all deaths from the coronavirus—up from 40% earlier this month—and 52% outside of NY state. pic.twitter.com/78N6vD5Afp— Avik Roy (@Avik) May 26, 2020

Remember that only 1.8% of U.S. residents live in nursing homes or assisted living facilities, and yet these facilities have tallied 42% of all #COVID19 deaths.— Avik Roy (@Avik) May 26, 2020


Roy later clarified that the actual percentage of Americans living in these facilities is 0.6 percent.  New York leads the nation in the total number of statewide COVID deaths generally, as well as at nursing homes -- but its overall percentage may still look somewhat favorable due to its government's decision to alter the manner in which such deaths are counted.  As the media flocked to cover this bogus story out of Florida (because of course they did), New York's apparent statistical sleight of hand has garnered relatively little attention.  As we've covered, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis and his team did an extraordinary job of recognizing and addressing COVID's unique threat to nursing homes, achieving impressive and life-saving results thus far.  Florida's population is older and larger than New York's, yet its death toll is roughly one-tenth of the Empire State's.  Thousands more people perished from the virus in New York nursing homes alone than in the entire state of Florida. Health policy expert Avik Roy, who published the tweets embedded above, adds additional insight based on the data:

States like New York, New Jersey, and Michigan actually ordered nursing homes to accept patients with active COVID-19 infections who were being discharged from hospitals. The most charitable interpretation of these orders is that they were designed to ensure that states would not overcrowd their ICUs. But well after hospitalizations peaked, governors like New York’s Andrew Cuomo were doubling down on their mandates. As recently as April 23, Cuomo declared that nursing homes “don’t have a right to object” to accepting elderly patients with active COVID infections. “That is the rule and that is the regulation and they have to comply with that.” Only on May 10—after the deaths of nearly 3,000 New York residents of nursing homes and assisted living facilities—did Cuomo stand down and partially rescind his order...Contrast the decisions by governors like Cuomo with those of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. In Florida, all nursing home workers were required to be screened for COVID-19 symptoms before entering a facility. On March 15, before most states had locked down, DeSantis signed an executive order that banned nursing home visitations from friends and family, and also banned hospitals from discharging SARS-CoV-2-infected patients into long-term care facilities...While it is too late for thousands of nursing home residents who have already died, there is still time to protect the millions who remain, by learning from Florida’s example.

Learning from one's mistakes should not include craven blame shift and purging the public record. This looks very suspicious, in light of the deserved criticism New York's disastrous policies are facing:

This is/was the deleted page. pic.twitter.com/m9mRO1mwPI— Reagan Battalion (@ReaganBattalion) May 26, 2020


I'll leave you with the mixed results of the reopening process thus far. Many of the critics' worst fears and most frightening predictions have failed to materialize -- but we need to keep a careful eye on rising hospitalizations:

Great news out of Texas, which has now been reopened for almost 4 weeks.

There can be a safe and practical way for states to reopen with appropriate restrictions and medications. https://t.co/mDinkHhVnk— Alicia Smith (@Alicia_Smith19) May 26, 2020

THREAD: New hospitalizations nationwide have risen slightly over the last week after showing sustained declines for the two preceding weeks. This view below looks at the nation outside of the New York tristate region. pic.twitter.com/H7x30dvEzI— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) May 24, 2020


These are also hopeful signs:

.@AstraZeneca CEO says he has high confidence his company’s COVID-19 vaccine will work - and can have 300m doses available in the US by October. **personal note here— that would be fan-fricking-tastick....... @KyraPhillips— John Roberts (@johnrobertsFox) May 23, 2020

New study finds Covid19 patients are no longer infectious after 11 days of getting sick even though some may still test positive. The data from Singapore adds to a growing body of evidence showing people don’t transmit the infection once they’re recovered. https://t.co/adRCousXYa— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) May 24, 2020


UPDATE - This framing is very very odd:

COVID-19 deaths have declined in Democratic congressional districts since mid-April, but remained relatively steady in districts controlled by Republicans. https://t.co/NnUcKYt67w pic.twitter.com/R3mdZ1l8c4— Pew Research Center (@pewresearch) May 27, 2020

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3826 on: May 28, 2020, 08:50:04 AM »
Get ready-brace yourselves- its coming----asymptomatic carriers are not contagious.

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« Reply #3827 on: May 28, 2020, 09:00:43 AM »
Get ready-brace yourselves- its coming----asymptomatic carriers are not contagious.

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It's been established for a while now that loads of people are able to clear the virus before it can take hold.

The virus gets into their bodies, but it's cleared before it can get into cells, so it can't replicate. These people can't spread the virus and they won't have antibodies for the virus in their system either. This wouldn't count as an infection so you wouldn't call these people  asymptomatic. I'd guess 50% of those who come into contact with the virus clear it this way.

It will probably be weeks if not months before this information hits the mainstream.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3828 on: May 28, 2020, 09:32:59 AM »
It's been established for a while now that loads of people are able to clear the virus before it can take hold.

The virus gets into their bodies, but it's cleared before it can get into cells, so it can't replicate. These people can't spread the virus and they won't have antibodies for the virus in their system either. This wouldn't count as an infection so you wouldn't call these people  asymptomatic. I'd guess 50% of those who come into contact with the virus clear it this way.

It will probably be weeks if not months before this information hits the mainstream.
Just in time to shut us down for the winter.

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« Reply #3829 on: May 28, 2020, 09:49:46 AM »
Norway believe the virus peaked there back in March and that lockdown was unnecessary. Expect more stories like this over the coming months.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/norway-health-chief-lockdown-was-not-needed-to-tame-covid

Social distancing measures, good hygiene, work from home, no large gatherings etc would have been enough to see off the virus in most places.

Only places that needed lockdown measures were large densely packed cities just coming out of winter.

Guess who told you all this months ago  ;)

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3830 on: May 28, 2020, 09:54:42 AM »
Army of One and Gib?

Army of one was screaming about a 10% death rate and gib is still waiting for his people on the ground to tell us if dogs can get infected or not.

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« Reply #3831 on: May 28, 2020, 09:56:33 AM »
Just in time to shut us down for the winter.

If they want shutdowns in the winter they'll just set conditions for a second wave. Let's say 4 months from now at the earliest.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3832 on: May 28, 2020, 03:02:42 PM »
Army of one was screaming about a 10% death rate and gib is still waiting for his people on the ground to tell us if dogs can get infected or not.


gib's people is on the ground at the India-China border too, go India go  ;D

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3833 on: May 28, 2020, 03:06:45 PM »
Fauci now saying that masks are just symbolic, not very useful and a 2nd wave probably isn't happening.

This whole thing was a scam from that start. Always had to do with Nov 2020 elections and Trump.

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« Reply #3834 on: May 28, 2020, 03:13:41 PM »
I believe in the UK the lockdown made it worse
we waited 7 weeks after it was declared a worldwide pandemic, then locked down, knowing full well that most transmissions occurred in the home ensuring the greatest number or cross contamination..


just look at the death demographic, people who go out of the house the least, they elderly and sick...

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« Reply #3835 on: May 28, 2020, 04:31:25 PM »

gib's people is on the ground at the India-China border too, go India go  ;D

And Africa is thriving too according to his 'people on the ground' who are probably all in Wakanda.

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« Reply #3836 on: May 28, 2020, 07:34:46 PM »
Get ready-brace yourselves- its coming----asymptomatic carriers are not contagious.

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This actually makes sense given what we know at this point. the virus is mainly spread via droplets traveling through the air. When someone sneezes or coughs, they are going to spread droplets and given the added force behind a cough or a sneeze, the droplets will travel farther. Anyone can cough or sneeze, but people who are sick with cold like symptoms are more likely to do this. This is why wearing a mask is for the protection of others as well as for yourself.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3837 on: May 28, 2020, 07:37:28 PM »
I believe in the UK the lockdown made it worse
we waited 7 weeks after it was declared a worldwide pandemic, then locked down, knowing full well that most transmissions occurred in the home ensuring the greatest number or cross contamination..


just look at the death demographic, people who go out of the house the least, they elderly and sick...

OMG, I went out of the house today. May not be sick, at least not physically, but I am damn sure elderly. Thank heavens, I made it through another day feeling just fine.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3838 on: May 28, 2020, 07:49:13 PM »
Norway believe the virus peaked there back in March and that lockdown was unnecessary. Expect more stories like this over the coming months.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/norway-health-chief-lockdown-was-not-needed-to-tame-covid

Social distancing measures, good hygiene, work from home, no large gatherings etc would have been enough to see off the virus in most places.

Only places that needed lockdown measures were large densely packed cities just coming out of winter.

Guess who told you all this months ago  ;)

Lol these fucking idiots... I dont think many other countries will own up to this truth but we'll see..

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3839 on: May 28, 2020, 07:51:28 PM »
Get ready-brace yourselves- its coming----asymptomatic carriers are not contagious.

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Agreed it's coming....

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« Reply #3840 on: May 28, 2020, 10:00:54 PM »
And Africa is thriving too according to his 'people on the ground' who are probably all in Wakanda.


Looks like Wakanda/gibsyland is bordering :Belgian Congo, German East Africa & Italian Abyssinia  :D

 

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« Reply #3841 on: May 29, 2020, 06:18:27 AM »
Agreed it's coming....

My guess is that the big announcement that will show most measures were OTT and that those who have had human coronavirus infections (types of common colds) already had some immunity to Cov2.

Cov2 will also just end up doing the seasonal rounds in milder form and be classed as just another "common cold".

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3842 on: May 29, 2020, 08:22:57 AM »
No Coronavirus Spike in States That Lifted Lockdowns Early, ABC Reports
PJ Media ^ | 05/29/2020 | Tyler O' Neill
Posted on 5/29/2020, 11:06:33 AM by SeekAndFind

As states across America lift their coronavirus lockdowns, some fear that COVID-19 cases will spike. After all, the lockdowns were meant to “slow the spread” and “flatten the curve,” so won’t allowing Americans to go back to their normal lives result in more infections?

Yet according to ABC News reporter Ariel Mitropoulos, states that lifted the lockdowns early did not experience a surge in coronavirus hospitalizations, deaths, or the percentage of people testing positive.

“JUST IN: [ABC News] looked at 21 states that eased restrictions May 4 or earlier & found no major increase in hospitalizations, deaths or % of people testing positive in any of them. [SC, MT, GA, MS, SD, AR, CO, ID, IA, ND, OK, TN, TX, UT, WY, KS, FL, IN, MO, NE, OH] via [Ariel Mitropoulos],” ABC News lead medical reporter Eric Strauss tweeted.

JUST IN: @ABC looked at 21 states that eased restrictions May 4 or earlier & found no major increase in hospitalizations, deaths or % of people testing positive in any of them. [SC, MT, GA, MS, SD, AR, CO, ID, IA, ND, OK, TN, TX, UT, WY, KS, FL, IN, MO, NE, OH] via @AMitrops

— Eric M. Strauss (@ericMstrauss) May 28, 2020

It appears ABC News has yet to publish the results of this investigation, but both Strauss and Mitropoulos are ABC News reporters, and the results of this investigation stand to reason.

Most of these states lifted lockdowns in part because the spread of the coronavirus was already under control in those states.

Even so, this report should give Americans confidence that easing the lockdowns — outside of extreme hotspots like the New York City area — is not as dangerous as naysayers suggest.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3843 on: May 29, 2020, 09:31:29 AM »
Trump was right again!  Of course, myself and several others had it right from the beginning. 8)

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« Reply #3844 on: May 29, 2020, 09:37:13 AM »
Trump was right again!  Of course, myself and several others had it right from the beginning. 8)

Funny how those who made inaccurate and emotional predictions and got it wrong now avoid this thread.

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« Reply #3845 on: May 29, 2020, 09:44:47 AM »
Funny how those who made incorrect and emotional predictions and got it wrong now avoid this thread.

True dat.  The first few pages are a chuckle...  ;D
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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3846 on: May 29, 2020, 10:17:24 AM »
Were the first few pages of predictions by Getbig scholars accurate?
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« Reply #3848 on: May 29, 2020, 01:15:14 PM »
China Kang Flu sucks, less & less restrictions  +  more & more traffic on the roads  :(

Rugby is back, pubs a open, .........


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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3849 on: May 29, 2020, 01:42:47 PM »
Army of one silent these days?